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Airdrop01 · 05-07-2018, 08:27 AM

Royals SHOULD take a chance. The reward could be huge and the cost is zero.

He does sound like a huge a hole though.

Edit: I just looked to see his numbers since the “you’re not taking me out of this game” moment in the 2015 WS. Wow. It’s a Greek tragedy. Stunning.

Airdrop01 · 05-07-2018, 08:31 AM

Also, you’re a game and a half out in a really poor division, where the leader is playing way out over their skis and just put Jose Bautista in as their everyday third baseman. So it’s not over, brother. A 7-3 stretch and you’re in first.

Westheim · 05-07-2018, 09:04 AM

He was with the Mets. The Mets are one, consistent Greek tragedy.

Also, regarding the NL East, well, the Gnats are gaining steam, so there's that, but thankfully the Mets' pulse will be measured this week with a set against the rotten Reds, who canned their manager in April and are without a doubt forsaken. If the Mets can't climb over those chaps.........

Further, why do the Mets feed two shortstops, neither of whom can field at any level, nor hit at any level? I can't tell if they can still run, because Rosario never gets on base (*never*), but I know that Reyes will not vigorously pursue foul balls, and there's got to be physical limitations for that, right? Right?

We may want to kindly ask the Orioles for Ruben Tejada at some point, hitting .299 for AAA Norfolk, and yes, I already checked that out this morning, from the office, where I can be buried by a toppling pile of undercooked files at any second. Priorities!! If Sandy Alderson can't do his ****ing job (and who foolishly gave us reunification with Jay Blues, who I will henceforth call this way because he gives me the same, despite two absolutely crummy half-seasons as a Met already), I gotta do it!

At least the decaying carcass at first base is paid for by the Barves...

Re Rosario, who should really stink it up in Vegas instead, they showed an interesting graphic last night that I did not screencap, foolishly, but which stated that he was *way* under the MLB average in swinging at pitches in the middle of the zone, and way over the MLB average for swinging at pitches out of the zone.

So, yeah, great - our shortstop of the future is basically blind at the plate. Maybe even legally blind. Who knows!?

His swings by location look terrifically like mine in the recently acquired Super Mega Baseball 2, which I do suck at. Does that mean I can be a major leaguer? FYI, I am about 6'0'' and 250lbs. Good for shortstop, right? Right?

Why is being a Mets fan so hard ...?

swampdragon · 05-07-2018, 09:59 AM

The drama of April.

The Nationals are going to win that division by at least 10 games. Of all the teams we were told on Day One would win their divisions, only the Dodgers are in trouble, and I'm not positive about them.

Déjà Bru · 05-08-2018, 06:57 PM

Well, you guys know now that they traded Harvey to the Reds:

https://www.newsday.com/amp/sports/b...eds-1.18454304

They get Devin Mesoraco, a former 1st round draft choice who does not seem to have lived up to potential despite having one really standout year. Don't know what happened to him after that. Injuries? On second look, maybe he was just the backup catcher behind Tucker Barnhart who is better at the plate and maybe behind it as well.

Anyway, this may be a big consideration in favor of the Mets, maybe the "cash" portion of the deal:

Quote:

The Athletic reported that the Reds will pay the remainder of the $13.125 million owed to Mesoraco this season, while the Mets will pay the rest of the $5.625 million owed to Harvey.

swoboda · 05-08-2018, 07:19 PM

All I can say right now is........hmmmm.

Westheim · 05-09-2018, 03:08 AM

Given that the Mets don't pay a penny with this deal and they get a living catcher in return, I do approve.

The Mets' catching situation is bad enough that the best strategy is indeed to throw new **** at the wall until something, anything sticks. Maybe it's Mesoraco. Maybe not. Probably not. He was an All Star once. There's gotta be something of that left in him, right? Maybe bat .245 and throw out a runner once in a while.

Westheim · 05-09-2018, 01:02 PM

Just when you thought the Mets couldn't sink any lower, they are batting out of order in the first inning against the Reds.

Killlll meeeeee......

Andy · 05-09-2018, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Westheim

Just when you thought the Mets couldn't sink any lower, they are batting out of order in the first inning against the Reds.

Killlll meeeeee......

They said on the Reds broadcast that the last time the Reds batted out of order was on May 11, 2008 against the Mets.

10 years to the day and the same two teams?

Westheim · 05-09-2018, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy

They said on the Reds broadcast that the last time the Reds batted out of order was on May 11, 2008 against the Mets.

10 years to the day and the same two teams?

Except that it's May 9 today.

Andy · 05-09-2018, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Westheim

Except that it's May 9 today.

Wow. I thought Marty Brennaman said 10 years to the day and I thought he said May 11. Apparently I don't know what day it is anyway.

Edit: Okay, it was May 11. Maybe he said almost 10 years to the day.

http://retrosheet.org/outturn.htm

swoboda · 05-09-2018, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Westheim

Just when you thought the Mets couldn't sink any lower, they are batting out of order in the first inning against the Reds.

Killlll meeeeee......

Ughhhhhhhhh !!

Let us hope and pray with deep concentration and focus that this is the LOWEST point of the season !

Westheim · 05-09-2018, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy

Wow. I thought Marty Brennaman said 10 years to the day and I thought he said May 11. Apparently I don't know what day it is anyway.

Edit: Okay, it was May 11. Maybe he said almost 10 years to the day.

http://retrosheet.org/outturn.htm

Great to see the Mets even doing it wrong when the other team is the one to screw up to begin with.

Quote:

In the top of the ninth, after a double switch, the Reds batted out of order when David Ross hit in Corey Patterson's spot. Ross flew out to right and then Mets Manager Willie Randolph told the umpires about the issue. Patterson was called out instead of Ross and Ross batted again and singled. Randolph should have taken the out and kept quiet.

What a tire fire of a franchise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by swoboda

Ughhhhhhhhh !!

Let us hope and pray with deep concentration and focus that this is the LOWEST point of the season !

It won't be and you know it! Now enjoy your .300 team (since they were 11-2)!

Airdrop01 · 05-09-2018, 08:18 PM

Okay. So, perhaps the hot start isn't going to help. Batting out of order..... I think you're safe in that I don't think there can be a lower low than that, Westheim. I mean, 8 year olds can avoid that with moderate supervision.

Yikes.

Déjà Bru · 05-09-2018, 09:07 PM

Callaway looks bad in this. Apparently there were two versions of the lineup; his handwritten one that he presented to the ump and another one in a computer from which came the printout that was posted on the dugout wall. Wow.

By the way, the other thing that I read about your new catcher is that it was injuries that cut him down in 2015 and 2016. Two hip operations and surgery on a shoulder. He says that just now he is feeling healthy again. We'll see. Maybe it will be good news after all.

Westheim · 05-10-2018, 02:13 AM

First, I blame the Yankees for the recent misfortunes of the Mets. There is only X amount of wins that the baseball gods make available for New York teams per month, and the Damn Yankees gobble up just about all of them right now!

Also. After five years of "Tragic" Travis d'Arnaud being sold as the big thing that he never was and never will be, and without fail landing on the DL by May - I mean it's a real tragedy for him, too, with his dream and all, and his body telling him to finally take those accounting classes because it won't let baseball happen, ever - and his complete inability to throw out any runner (Mets being routinely at the bottom in CS%), any new catcher no matter how terrible looks like an improvement. I am thoroughly sick of d'Arnaud, to be honest. Did Mesoraco look any good yesterday? Nope. But the bar to tumble over is really at ankle height, it's infinitely hard to make it past beneath.

Raccoons managed to sneak their "Tragic" Travis onto the Falcons' roster via waivers, maybe the Mets want to look into that, too.

Also, while I watched the game yesterday I was casually chatting with a former colleague who doesn't know much about baseball and when I mentioned it couldn't imagine how a team with at least three working brain cells (combined between all members) could bat out of order. The simplest explanation I could come up with was some idiot not being able to copy nine names in order.

That's the 2018 Mets. Not being able to copy nine names in order.

Also funny how I sometimes saw Callaway's managerial genius lauded when they were 11-2, and now he's basically in Gabe Kapler's Land of the Damned.

I liked Terry Collins, Leader of Men. But am I ever asked what I want? Nope.

Mellow.

Déjà Bru · 05-10-2018, 02:11 PM

Westheim, I find myself repeatedly coming back to this thread merely to read your entertaining posts!

Westheim · 05-10-2018, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Westheim, I find myself repeatedly coming back to this thread merely to read your entertaining posts!

There is also a bottomless well of this, aka my couple-million-words dynasty thread.

Spoiler: we're more Mets than Yankees now.

swoboda · 05-10-2018, 04:02 PM

I agree re: Travis, I think I could steal a base off of him. The chances of us essentially turning Matt Harvey into a good catcher ? not too high.

Westheim · 05-16-2018, 03:29 PM

Weather dreadful, Mets dreadful, everything dreadful.

05-07-2018, 08:27 AM	#61
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Royals SHOULD take a chance. The reward could be huge and the cost is zero. He does sound like a huge a hole though. Edit: I just looked to see his numbers since the “you’re not taking me out of this game” moment in the 2015 WS. Wow. It’s a Greek tragedy. Stunning. __________________ Last edited by Airdrop01; 05-07-2018 at 08:39 AM.

05-07-2018, 08:31 AM	#62
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Also, you’re a game and a half out in a really poor division, where the leader is playing way out over their skis and just put Jose Bautista in as their everyday third baseman. So it’s not over, brother. A 7-3 stretch and you’re in first. __________________

05-07-2018, 09:04 AM	#63
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,826	He was with the Mets. The Mets are one, consistent Greek tragedy. Also, regarding the NL East, well, the Gnats are gaining steam, so there's that, but thankfully the Mets' pulse will be measured this week with a set against the rotten Reds, who canned their manager in April and are without a doubt forsaken. If the Mets can't climb over those chaps......... Further, why do the Mets feed two shortstops, neither of whom can field at any level, nor hit at any level? I can't tell if they can still run, because Rosario never gets on base (never), but I know that Reyes will not vigorously pursue foul balls, and there's got to be physical limitations for that, right? Right? We may want to kindly ask the Orioles for Ruben Tejada at some point, hitting .299 for AAA Norfolk, and yes, I already checked that out this morning, from the office, where I can be buried by a toppling pile of undercooked files at any second. Priorities!! If Sandy Alderson can't do his ***ing job (and who foolishly gave us reunification with Jay Blues, who I will henceforth call this way because he gives me the same, despite two absolutely crummy half-seasons as a Met already), I gotta do it! At least the decaying carcass at first base is paid for by the Barves... Re Rosario, who should really stink it up in Vegas instead, they showed an interesting graphic last night that I did not screencap, foolishly, but which stated that he was way* under the MLB average in swinging at pitches in the middle of the zone, and way over the MLB average for swinging at pitches out of the zone. So, yeah, great - our shortstop of the future is basically blind at the plate. Maybe even legally blind. Who knows!? His swings by location look terrifically like mine in the recently acquired Super Mega Baseball 2, which I do suck at. Does that mean I can be a major leaguer? FYI, I am about 6'0'' and 250lbs. Good for shortstop, right? Right? Why is being a Mets fan so hard ...? __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here. Last edited by Westheim; 05-07-2018 at 09:08 AM.

05-07-2018, 09:59 AM	#64
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	The drama of April. The Nationals are going to win that division by at least 10 games. Of all the teams we were told on Day One would win their divisions, only the Dodgers are in trouble, and I'm not positive about them. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

05-08-2018, 07:19 PM	#66
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,218	All I can say right now is........hmmmm. __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

05-09-2018, 03:08 AM	#67
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,826	Given that the Mets don't pay a penny with this deal and they get a living catcher in return, I do approve. The Mets' catching situation is bad enough that the best strategy is indeed to throw new **** at the wall until something, anything sticks. Maybe it's Mesoraco. Maybe not. Probably not. He was an All Star once. There's gotta be something of that left in him, right? Maybe bat .245 and throw out a runner once in a while. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

05-09-2018, 01:02 PM	#68
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,826	Just when you thought the Mets couldn't sink any lower, they are batting out of order in the first inning against the Reds. Killlll meeeeee...... __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

05-09-2018, 08:18 PM	#74
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Okay. So, perhaps the hot start isn't going to help. Batting out of order..... I think you're safe in that I don't think there can be a lower low than that, Westheim. I mean, 8 year olds can avoid that with moderate supervision. Yikes. __________________ Last edited by Airdrop01; 05-09-2018 at 08:20 PM.

05-09-2018, 09:07 PM	#75
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 10,785	Callaway looks bad in this. Apparently there were two versions of the lineup; his handwritten one that he presented to the ump and another one in a computer from which came the printout that was posted on the dugout wall. Wow. By the way, the other thing that I read about your new catcher is that it was injuries that cut him down in 2015 and 2016. Two hip operations and surgery on a shoulder. He says that just now he is feeling healthy again. We'll see. Maybe it will be good news after all. __________________ - Bru

05-10-2018, 02:13 AM	#76
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,826	First, I blame the Yankees for the recent misfortunes of the Mets. There is only X amount of wins that the baseball gods make available for New York teams per month, and the Damn Yankees gobble up just about all of them right now! Also. After five years of "Tragic" Travis d'Arnaud being sold as the big thing that he never was and never will be, and without fail landing on the DL by May - I mean it's a real tragedy for him, too, with his dream and all, and his body telling him to finally take those accounting classes because it won't let baseball happen, ever - and his complete inability to throw out any runner (Mets being routinely at the bottom in CS%), any new catcher no matter how terrible looks like an improvement. I am thoroughly sick of d'Arnaud, to be honest. Did Mesoraco look any good yesterday? Nope. But the bar to tumble over is really at ankle height, it's infinitely hard to make it past beneath. Raccoons managed to sneak their "Tragic" Travis onto the Falcons' roster via waivers, maybe the Mets want to look into that, too. Also, while I watched the game yesterday I was casually chatting with a former colleague who doesn't know much about baseball and when I mentioned it couldn't imagine how a team with at least three working brain cells (combined between all members) could bat out of order. The simplest explanation I could come up with was some idiot not being able to copy nine names in order. That's the 2018 Mets. Not being able to copy nine names in order. Also funny how I sometimes saw Callaway's managerial genius lauded when they were 11-2, and now he's basically in Gabe Kapler's Land of the Damned. I liked Terry Collins, Leader of Men. But am I ever asked what I want? Nope. Mellow. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here. Last edited by Westheim; 05-10-2018 at 02:19 AM.

05-10-2018, 02:11 PM	#77
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 10,785	Westheim, I find myself repeatedly coming back to this thread merely to read your entertaining posts! __________________ - Bru

05-10-2018, 04:02 PM	#79
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,218	I agree re: Travis, I think I could steal a base off of him. The chances of us essentially turning Matt Harvey into a good catcher ? not too high. __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

05-16-2018, 03:29 PM	#80
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,826	Weather dreadful, Mets dreadful, everything dreadful. __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.