Not Sure What To Call This Thread

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Well, interesting. Went on BoxRec here in Georgia, USA, its 11:36 EST and the Jumbo Gauvin and I see his file is now changed to Ernest Gauvin. Ernest which of course is his real name, but, in the newspaper accounts for him for Boxing he's pretty much addressed as Jumbo Gauvin.
Did you change that Cap? Do we want to have it listed in BoxRec by Ernest? I'll go with consensus of others what should be used.

Wasn't sure how important that is since my TB files that I've posted use Jumbo Gauvin. Just a question, not saying to change it back. Is BoxRec wanting to lean more toward filing a fighter by a real name?

BTW saw this in a paper. Thought cool to see.

Rocco

[Waltercito]

Originally Posted by Cap

I suppose anything is possible but that would mean a sixteen year gap between his last fight in Germany (1920) and the Gauvin fight in 1936. Maybe he had a son who boxed in North America?

Cap

Possible. I'll try to find out more.

[Waltercito]

[QUOTE=Rocco Del Sesto;5233284]
Wasn't sure how important that is since my TB files that I've posted use Jumbo Gauvin. Just a question, not saying to change it back. Is BoxRec wanting to lean more toward filing a fighter by a real name?

BTW saw this in a paper. Thought cool to see.


In case of the thai fighters at least, which almost always use aliases, Boxrec lately lists them under their real names. Wisaksil Wangek instead of Srisaket Sor Rungvisai, for example. I, personally, am fine with that. Less confusion...

[Rocco Del Sesto]

[QUOTE=Waltercito;5233290]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

Wasn't sure how important that is since my TB files that I've posted use Jumbo Gauvin. Just a question, not saying to change it back. Is BoxRec wanting to lean more toward filing a fighter by a real name?

BTW saw this in a paper. Thought cool to see.


In case of the thai fighters at least, which almost always use aliases, Boxrec lately lists them under their real names. Wisaksil Wangek instead of Srisaket Sor Rungvisai, for example. I, personally, am fine with that. Less confusion...

Agree for less confusion possibly for anyone later on gets his file and then looks for on BoxRec. So, here is updated file and photos for rating file for Ernest Gauvin.
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Found this. Might like the article about Jack Johnson and Battling Siki exhibition but at the end of it is a very short account of a fight at the exhibition, Young McNaughton of Quebec knocking out Kid Demers, also of this city in the fifth round it says. Does this warrant enough info to add to Kid Demers fight record?
Rocco

[Waltercito]

[QUOTE=Rocco Del Sesto;5233295]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

Agree for less confusion possibly for anyone later on gets his file and then looks for on BoxRec. So, here is updated file and photos for rating file for Ernest Gauvin.
Rocco

Thanks. On that note, you released a file for Nick "Bat" Mazzola, which I think is the correct spelling. Boxrec has him as "Mazzolla", though. Maybe Cap can correct that?

[Waltercito]

Just wanted to let you know that Boxrec lists another "Kid Demers", this one supposedly from Boston, who fought 2 times between 1916-1917.


https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/738764

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

Found this. Might like the article about Jack Johnson and Battling Siki exhibition but at the end of it is a very short account of a fight at the exhibition, Young McNaughton of Quebec knocking out Kid Demers, also of this city in the fifth round it says. Does this warrant enough info to add to Kid Demers fight record?
Rocco

So in an article in the Fri, Feb 08, 1924, Montreal, The Gazette, there is an article about Bantamweight Ralph McNaughton from Quebec City the BoxRec record for him show. This article says by the way he started to box at eighteen years of age and is just over twenty years of age at the time of this article. Says he has been knocked out on one occasion with his most recent fight with Young Mack in which the judges called a 10 round draw. This is listed in Ralph's BoxRec records. The article then lists all his "complete record of his bouts". See attached screen shot. It shows four fights with Demers included the 1923 knockout of him in the fifth round that I sent the previous newspaper account of that said "Young" McNaughton. I'll see if I find any info on these other Demers fights. Have some additional info to add to Demers BoxRec file? I started looking at this because I wanted to do a quick rating for Demers.
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

[QUOTE=Waltercito;5233304]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

Thanks. On that note, you released a file for Nick "Bat" Mazzola, which I think is the correct spelling. Boxrec has him as "Mazzolla", though. Maybe Cap can correct that?

Yes most of the articles I found believe had it Mazzola and was on his grave site correct? So believe my files should be correct with Mazzola spelling.
Thanx!!
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

Just wanted to let you know that Boxrec lists another "Kid Demers", this one supposedly from Boston, who fought 2 times between 1916-1917.


https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/738764

Yes I think I saws some newspaper stuff on this Kid Demers. I believe the articles talked as if he was from that area so I discounted him as some other Kid Demers that may have been of a lesser weight? I could go back and double check though. Would make you wonder if the Kid Demers fighters agains McNaughton which one that is, but the one article I found and attached thus far said he was from Quebec/Canada so would believe he's our Babe Beattie Demers.

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

Yes I think I saws some newspaper stuff on this Kid Demers. I believe the articles talked as if he was from that area so I discounted him as some other Kid Demers that may have been of a lesser weight? I could go back and double check though. Would make you wonder if the Kid Demers fighters agains McNaughton which one that is, but the one article I found and attached thus far said he was from Quebec/Canada so would believe he's our Babe Beattie Demers.

Rocco

a Mon, May 23, 1932 Montreal The Gazette article discussing prelimaries arranged for some Rioux-Gagnon Fight talked about an Eddie Beaurivage, Middleweight that the article says he is a "slugging French-Canadian" who one of his opponents that he beat was Kid Demers. No other info on that fight just listed of some of Beaurivage's victims.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

For anyone who might have McNaughton in your TB database. I see BoxRec does not have a photo so this could be trimmed added? From The Montreal Star, Nov 13, 1922.
Adding a 2nd photo of McNaughton found in The Montreal Star again on Oct 31, 1923.

[Waltercito]

Just checked, I don't have him.


Here are the resized pics.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

I did some researching further on Kid Demers from Canada. Yes there is a Kid Demers around the same years from New England, USA area.

Here's a rating file for him. Did as Middleweight for what little I found on fight weights.

Kid Demers - MW, Trois-Rivieres, Quebec
Career Record: W2(KO 0) / L6(KO 4) / D0

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

Just checked, I don't have him.


Here are the resized pics.

Cool. Some time maybe go back and look more at McNaughton.

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

I'm creating files for Beattie's opponents for any I do not have working my way down from start of career. I've already posted Kid Demers who I did a little play testing with.Except for Al McCoy the ones here I did no testing. Just quick tomato can type ratings since most are only against Beattie for that one fight each currently in BoxRec.

The Al McCoy file has the TBCB3 DB Team ratings and have not touched. I just updated a little bit of Bio info for him, at least what was needed in the file I have.
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Here is the McCoy file along with a photo i cropped from the one on BoxRec. Just liked it better than the one I currently had.
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

I started to do some searching on Hub Parker. Thought he has an interesting nice enough of record that would be a nice addition to TB.
Had not dug into it just a little bit this afternoon and look what I've turned up......will do some more hunting to see if I can find some other info to verify for sure Jesse Cartee but by these to pieces chances good that's who Hub Parker really was??11

[Waltercito]

Nice find Rocco! 498 fights is a LOT. Hub Parker has only 32 registered on Boxrec. That shows you how many fights we are really missing.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

Nice find Rocco! 498 fights is a LOT. Hub Parker has only 32 registered on Boxrec. That shows you how many fights we are really missing.

Thanks!, Yes I was excited to find this and without having looked very much yet! I really think that 498 fights is a wild misprint! Maybe more like 98 fights or 198? But 498 unless it counts a whole lot of non pro fights? Curious to see what I can find about those years between 1941 to 1945 that are blank on his current BoxRec.

I found these two articles, one which also makes mention of Jesse Cartee being known as Hub Parker in boxing and I pulled up an article printed the week before his BoxRec listed fight against Bill Stewart and this gives some nice info on the physical make up of Mr. Cartee / Parker. I'm going to go through the list of BoxRec noted fights. I want to do some detail on him and come up with a rating. I like finding guys like this to rate!

Sat, Mar 25, 1950, The Caledonian-Record, St. Johnsbury, VT ran an article as did some other local papers, about a trial going on involving some accident (did not read details of it), where the Caledonian article mentions Jesse Cartee who was involved in this trial, "known as Hub Parker in boxing circles".

Fri, Feb 7, 1936, Express and Standard, Newport, Vermont - Previewing a boxing match upcoming in the Newport Armory on Thursday evening, Feb 13 by Promoter Ray Sisco, Hub Parker, 24 years of age, 5 feet 11 inches tall and weighing 146 lbs will be meeting fellow welterweight Bill Stewart, 147 lbs of Burlington in a 6 rounder. Article mentions that Parker has met and beaten most welterweights he's met in and around Rochester, N.Y., his home town having recently moved to Newport.