Photos with missing files

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Could someone post a photo for Gil King?

Gil King JWW (1968-1974) OR = 7
USA
34-5-1 (21)

Patsy Kline FW (1907-1915) OR = 2
Italy
14-14-6 (6)

Istvan Kovacs FW (1997-2002) OR = 7
Hungary
22-1-0 (11)

Charlie Kray WW (1948-1951) OR = 4
UK
11-4-1 (0)

Reg Kray LW (1951-1951) OR = 4
UK
7-0-0 (2)

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Ron Kray LW (1951-1951) OR = 3
UK
4-2-0 (4)

Phil Krug MW (1921-1929) OR = 4
USA
11-11-3 (0)

Abe Miller WW (1944-1944) OR = 1
USA
0-1-0 (0) One bout, best guess

Benny Miller LHW (1926-1934) OR = 3
USA
28-16-0 (5)

Charley Miller HW (1909-1919) OR = 2
USA
13-17-8 (5)

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Hymie Miller LW (1929-1932) OR = 3
USA
8-5-3 (3)

Abbey Mnisi JBW (1993-2003) OR = 4
South Africa
22-8-0 (8)

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Wow, thanks Scot!

Gil King

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Thanks for the photo Christopher. We got rained out today at my work. I worked extra hard at rating the fighters since my company was paying for it.

Scot

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Lakva Sim LW (1995-2004) OR = 6
Mongolia
19-4-1 (16)

Sim won the WBA Super Featherweight Title and the WBA Lightweight Title.

Rated by - unknown ?

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Hermann Heise Fly (1929-1941) OR = 1
Germany
3-8-4 (0)

Svend Helgesen LW (1922-1927) OR = 2
Denmark
5-9-1 (5)

Bobby Hanson Fly (1914-1921) OR = 1
Denmark
0-5-1 (0)

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SOLDIER DELANEY HW (1911-1915) Overall Rating = 1

Hometown - New York, New York, USA

5(4)-12-0

Delaney was a White Hope era heavyweight, and not a very good one at that. Thirteen of his seventeen pro bouts ended ahead of schedule with Delaney scoring 5 stoppage victories and going down nine times himself. He scored a points decision over Bill Tate and stopped Jack McFarland, Jack Brooks, Dave Katz (who was in his pro debut and weighed 35 pounds less then Delaney) and Fred McKay (who was winning on points when he broke his hand - probably on Delaney's head). Delaney lost to Jim Coffey, Al Reich, McKay, Soldier Kearns, Al Kubiak, Sailor Burke and Jumbo Wells. The Delaney family gave up waiting for the call from Canastoga decades ago.

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Had this boxer in my data base. Not sure who rated this one.

Young John Herrera HW (1931-1945) OR = 5

Hometown - Victoria de las Tunas

Country - Cuba

39-15-1 (28)

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Goldie Hess LW (1926-1932) OR = 5

Hometown - Ocean Park, CA, USA

34-20-6 (10)

Goldie was never stopped in 60 career bouts.

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Had this one in my data base also. Unknown who rated?

Fred Fritts HW (1912-1915) OR = 4

Hometown - Bayonne, NJ, USA

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Tom Patrick HW (1926-1935) OR = 2
Los Angeles, CA
19-29-4 (5)

Ray Holmes HW (1948-1953) OR = 2
Australia
7-5-1 (3)

Mark "Jacko" Jackson HW (1987-1987) OR = 3
Australia
3-0-0 (2)

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Thanks again Scot, you've almost got us at the end of the line.

I still have 350 or so unrated photos ranging from turn-of-century to current boxers, but I wasn't going to post them now because I probably won't be rating many of them and didn't want to be presumptuos that other folks would want to rate them.
If you or anyone else have an interest, I would be happy to sling 10 to 20 at a clip up here for you. They all have a boxrec number as part of their file name, so identification issues are all resolved.

Anyway, I realy have appreciated all your ratings SAL, it adds a lot of color to the game to have so many photos available - even for the bottom of the barrel fighters. Thanks again!

Christopher

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Glad you enjoyed the ratings CONN. I'm currently working on Jacobsen and Horsman and after they are finished I'll be slowing down on rating fighters with the warm weather right around the corner. If I get some down time this summer, I'll give you a shout and I would be glad to help rate some of the photos that you have.

Jack McFarland HW (1911-1920) OR = 2
Long Island City, NY
4-6-0 (1)

Hans Kupsch HW (1945-1951) OR = 1
Germany
1-14-2 (1)

Laurits Jensen JMW (1973-1975) OR = 4
Denmark
8-1-0 (3)

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Emanuel Jacobsen LW (1917-1923) OR = 3

Copenhagen, Denmark

19-7-7 (8)

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JOHNNY "Won't Hit Today" DOUGLAS (1908 Olympic Middleweight gold medal winner) Overall Rating = 4 (guess work)

British Amateur

This is an excerpt from an article by Neil Allen that appeared in the March, 2002 issue of boxing monthly:



"In elegant defense of our history, the great Joe Liebling of the New Yorker wrote: “The sweet science of bruising is joined onto the past like a man’s arm to his shoulder.” It’s a good enough text for me, and London ex-policeman and amateur boxing historian Larry Braysher, to tell you of our long and finally successful search for justice on the part of a British Olympic boxing champion with the unwarlike nickname of “Johnny Won’t Hit Today”.

John William Henry Tyler Douglas, Olympic middleweight champion at London in 1908, gained his unlikely nomme de guerre from ironic Australian cricket followers when he was captain of England at our national summer game and renowned for his defensive batting tactics even though, to the fury of the Aussies, he retained the Ashes down under.

Douglas, who also played football for England as an amateur, had the misfortune to beat an Australian, one Reg “Snowy” Baker, in an Olympic final described by The Times as “one of the most brilliant exhibitions of skilful boxing, allied to tremendous hitting, ever seen”.

The misfortune, which has continued even to this year from a fight that took place in 1908, is that Baker, undoubtedly a great sporting all-rounder at rugby, swimming, rowing, horse riding, fencing and water polo, was probably not slow at blowing his own trumpet, especially in later years when he became a film actor and then settled in Hollywood, giving lessons in fencing, riding, boxing and general fitness to legendary stars like Greta Garbo and Douglas Fairbanks.

Baker never publicly contested the close points verdict which Douglas, who scored a second-round knockdown over him, won in their Olympic final. But, in a 1952 interview, he claimed that Douglas’s father had refereed the fight, leading to widespread suspicion of a dodgy decision which can still be found circulating on web sites today.

It has taken investigator Larry Braysher and myself years to fight this false rumour, pointing out that John Douglas senior was only at ringside, from where refs worked in those days, so he, three times Queensberry amateur middleweight champion, could present the medals as president of the ABA. The real ref was Eugene Corri who did not have to give a casting vote as the two judges agreed that Douglas was a narrow winner.

Another, far more ridiculous smear on Douglas’s record is an Australian claim, repeated in the 2000 edition of the Complete Book of the Olympics by respected American author David Wallechinsky, that Baker “knocked out Douglas in a rematch a few days after the Olympics”. An Australian book suggested “Baker and Douglas fought again, bare knuckle, after a dinner at the London National Sporting Club, and this time Baker knocked out his man”.

Consider that the 1908 Olympic boxing was staged on just one day in October — Baker boxing three times and Douglas, who had a bye, twice before their final. It is inconceivable that the two would have fought again within a few weeks, let alone “a few days”. There is no way, either, that Johnny Douglas, like his father a pillar of the establishment at the NSC, would have taken part in illegal bare knuckle fighting.

But at last, just 74 years after Douglas died, bravely trying to save his father when their ship went down following a collision at sea, Boxing Monthly can report that his ring reputation has been cleared. An overseas phone call to Harry Gordon, whose revised history of Australians at the Olympics has just been published, brought the answer: “There is no record of a return bout, let alone Baker winning by a knockout, and I have no reason to believe one ever took place.”

A final question mark about Douglas is whether, as rumoured, he ever took part behind “closed doors” in an exhibition with Tommy Burns, the Canadian-born world heavyweight professional champion from 1906 to 1908. Absolutely true, says Bernard Angle, city stockbroker and referee, in his memoirs, because he was present when the men boxed “in a small ring in the City Athenaeum, better known as The Thieves Kitchen in Throgmorton Street, while we enjoyed oysters and pate de fois gras.”

Both Angle and Burn’s biography reports that the heavyweight champion, who was no Lennox Lewis, being only 5ft 7ins though a hard hitter, was amazed and then angered when Douglas attacked fiercely rather than engaging, as expected, in a friendly sparring session. Of course, Douglas’s invariably chilly remark, whenever he put on gloves, was “You look after yourself and I’ll do the same.”

After three hard rounds Burns, controlling himself in front of the London clubmen, said with an attempt at joviality: “If this is what you call a sparring exhibition what is honest to God fighting like here?” But then this was the same Douglas who, asked to address a cricket dinner in Australia, rose and announced: “I’m no good at speeches but I’ll box any man in the room for three rounds.” Even as a schoolboy at Felsted his nickname was “Pro”.

Johnny Won’t Hit Today? You must be joking."

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Duane Horsman MW (1959-1970) OR = 5

Hometown - Chatfield, MN

48-13-2 (34)

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Thanks Scot! That pretty much kills the list (until someone posts another unrated photo). Here are the dregs left on the list. Does anyone have enough of a clue who these folks are to rate them or at least clue the rest of us in as to who they were.

Frank Allnutt - Amateur turned writer ??

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Johnny Dopsovis ???

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Tom King - 19th century bare knuckler ??