2025 MLB Thread

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

.......I guess that I always just look at them all with disdain. I guess it's just a 'me' thing.

BINGO!!


You guys are taking standards that you have created for yourselves & trying to place them upon somebody else.

Nothing this dad did was wrong. He isn't a jack@$$. Everything he did to get that ball was within the standard precedent that is expected from the majority of baseball fans. He didn't breach any etiquette. It wasn't bad manners.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

It wasn't bad manners.

We just won't see eye to eye on this. I've been at a bunch of games, I have seen plenty of people run 30/40 feet to snatch a ball from the middle of people standing right over it trying to get it.

SOP - I guess so
Good manners - no way

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

And where is it written that no one can run to get a loose ball? If the ball lands in a section where there are no fans, no fans from other sections can run to go get it?

You're arguing against something I have literally not said. I said something like "it's one thing if the ball lands in an empty section…" in a previous post. I'm just too lazy to find the quote…but I said it.

I thought, every baseball fan that you don't take the ball from kids

Nobody took the ball from the kid, who barely knew what was happening. Dad ran to get the ball, swiped the ball, ran back and deposited it with his kid, got called out, and gave it back. To quote you, "she never touched the ball" when the kid was holding it.

If Dad had gone to the concession stands, popped open the cash drawer while the attendant was serving the line, and swiped $500 from the till, then scooted back to his seat and gave the cash to the kid, would he be allowed to keep the money just because "I did it for my boy! It's his birthday…sometime this month…"?

(This assumes that Miami's park still allows cash transactions. Remember, I'm Officially Old.)

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

You're arguing against something I have literally not said. I said something like "it's one thing if the ball lands in an empty section…" in a previous post. I'm just too lazy to find the quote…but I said it.

Nobody took the ball from the kid, who barely knew what was happening. Dad ran to get the ball, swiped the ball, ran back and deposited it with his kid, got called out, and gave it back. To quote you, "she never touched the ball" when the kid was holding it.

If Dad had gone to the concession stands, popped open the cash drawer while the attendant was serving the line, and swiped $500 from the till, then scooted back to his seat and gave the cash to the kid, would he be allowed to keep the money just because "I did it for my boy! It's his birthday…sometime this month…"?

(This assumes that Miami's park still allows cash transactions. Remember, I'm Officially Old.)

What if the guy was exiting the row on his way to rob the concession stand right when Bader hit his home run and his progress put him right where the ball landed. Would he have been in the wrong if he caught the ball, went an robbed the concession stand and then returned to his seat giving the ball and the money to his son for his birthday?

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Just curious, have any of you ever caught/picked up a foul ball/home run at a game before. I attended my first big league game way back in 1972 at Tiger Stadium. Been to lots of games between then and now. I've never even came close to getting a ball. The only ball I ever left a game with, was one I found while leaving a Shreveport Captains minor league game years ago. Found it in the parking lot on the way to my car resting against someone's car tire. I still have it. I did catch a few hockey pucks while attending Saginaw Gears hockey games when I was in junior high/high school.

In case you haven't read the Mets thread (FEEL SHAME!!), the first game I recall attending was on August 26th, 1970, when the Mets blew a 6-run lead at home, losing to a Hank Aaron 3-run homer in the 8th inning, which I did not see because my dad (RIP) had decided to leave early so we could "beat the traffic" and I had to hear it on the radio in the parking lot.

(The Mets didn't blow another lead of 6 or more runs until the "God Cries for Wilmer Flores" game of July 2015, by which point this had been a record for at least a decade.)

I did not get foul ball for a very long time after that. In 1985, I marched into Satan's Lair (aka Yankee Stadium) to see Tom Seaver, the Greatest Pitcher of All-Time, win his 300th game, snuck down to the front row and got my hands on a foul ball, only to have it squirt out of my hand and down to a guy a seat or two away, who made the grab I had fumbled. (The WPIX-TV telecast showed me futilely swiping with my left hand at a different ball.)

Until one day in September 2016, when on an eastern swing I decided to treat myself to a decently-priced resale seat in the "Shea Club" (right behind home plate), got to my seat while all the other big spenders were still getting victuals inside, watched the Twins' Brian Dozier take two balls and then loft the 2-0 pitch back over the screen [this was before they caged the lower level in], right at me. I stood up, raised my hands…and completely whiffed on the catch, but the ball lodged right where my ass had been and I was able to grab the ball.

A bunch of ball-scavengers swarmed over from the next section (ages 15-24? I don't recall), but I gave them a glare and they pouted away. And then the Mets won again (this was the "Curtis Granderson switch-hits HRs in extra innings* " game) and it was one of the best days of my life.

If Scavenger Dad had run in and zoomed away with the ball, I would have been too fat to catch him and too scared of criminal prosecution to beat him unconscious…but I would have thought about it. And if he told me he had done it for his son, I would have told him to go **** himself. And perhaps several other things. He has kids? Ask me if I care. My dad had kids, too.

46 years, but I did it! Top of the World, Ma!!

*—"extra innings" was an old rule where, if a game was tied after 9 innings, they kept playing baseball. Shocking concept, huh? (They were abolished in 2020, along with several other things.)

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

You're arguing against something I have literally not said. I said something like "it's one thing if the ball lands in an empty section…" in a previous post. I'm just too lazy to find the quote…but I said it.

Originally Posted by Amazin69

obnoxious scrum.......but scrambling like a jackal from half a section away

How are you not criticizing the man for running to get the ball w/expressions like this?

Nobody took the ball from the kid, who barely knew what was happening. Dad ran to get the ball, swiped the ball, ran back and deposited it with his kid, got called out, and gave it back. To quote you, "she never touched the ball" when the kid was holding it.

There was nothing to give back. It wasn't hers! She had no claim to it, especially since she never touched it.

If Dad had gone to the concession stands, popped open the cash drawer while the attendant was serving the line, and swiped $500 from the till, then scooted back to his seat and gave the cash to the kid, would he be allowed to keep the money just because "I did it for my boy! It's his birthday…sometime this month…"?

Your comparison would hold weight, if the Dad had stolen a ball owned by the lady. She didn't own the ball. She never bought the ball.. She didn't even make an attempt to catch the ball. She tried to get out of the way of the ball.

For your comparison to fit, you would have to say a $500 bundle of ones was thrown randomly out of a car window, the woman ducked out of the way, the dad happened to be at the edge of the road & grabbed it as the lady was bending down intending to give it to his son & when she complained, he gave it to her. The money was never in any one's possession until the dad got to it. There is no indication it was meant for the lady. She just went Karen & let her sense of entitlement lie to her about the $ being hers.

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

How are you not criticizing the man for running to get the ball w/expressions like this?

That has nothing to do with the "empty section" argument that you brought up. I already said that empty sections are different. Don't straw-man, please.

She didn't even make an attempt to catch the ball. She tried to get out of the way of the ball.

I didn't see that. The video I saw shows her and the guy in Seat #3 bending over to get the ball when it lands in front of them. She stood up from Seat #2, but she never left the area. If she flinched for a second to avoid being struck, so what?

The ball landed right in front of Seat #3. Both the guy in Seat #3 and his (presumed) companion in Seat #2 made an attempt to retrieve it. Seat #15 can **** off. For all we know, the people in #2 and #3 have grandkids. Grandkids trump kids, right?

(Maybe I should racialize the issue? Talk about a white guy stealing from an older black gentleman? Naaah.)

I don't know if Heath Slater is the dad's favorite WWE star…but he should be.



The 2018 Royal Rumble is a favorite for several reasons besides the copious amount of Heath-abuse, but that was funny, too.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

That has nothing to do with the "empty section" argument that you brought up. I already said that empty sections are different. Don't straw-man, please.

Forget about the empty section. I was never about the empty section. I was about your criticism of him scrambling for the ball. I was about you calling or describing him as a "jackal", "obnoxious" and in other places a "dickhead", "cheap street thug", & a litany of other insults & over the top rhetoric. All for hustling for a loose item that belonged to no one? All of that is completely out of turn for all that just for running 7 or 8 seats for the baseball. And you want to say you wouldn't have done that because you have manners? Dude, please. Look in the frikkin' mirror.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

We just won't see eye to eye on this. I've been at a bunch of games, I have seen plenty of people run 30/40 feet to snatch a ball from the middle of people standing right over it trying to get it.

SOP - I guess so
Good manners - no way

I wasn't trying to change your mind. I object to the characterization of this man as a jerk. I would never tell you you should do like he did or that you should teach your kids to do the same. You do you based on how you were raised. I just think the same should be afforded this father. Everything he did was within his right & within the expected code of conduct in the ballpark. Then he went, IMO, the extra mile by acquiescing instead of standing on his correct position.

[Cobra Mgr]

Wander Franco still doing Wander Franco things.

[low]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Wander Franco still doing Wander Franco things.

The fact he thinks he still has a chance to come back to the MLB (according to the article) gives me a chuckle.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by low

The fact he thinks he still has a chance to come back to the MLB (according to the article) gives me a chuckle.

Man, if I am aware of all of those facts in that article, I would have to be really desperate to sign him. Let me rephrase that. I don't mean eager to sign him; I mean in very bad shape and frantic. For one thing, I would be making sure the clubhouse had metal detectors. His weapon of choice, the semiautomatic Glock 19:

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by low

The fact he thinks he still has a chance to come back to the MLB (according to the article) gives me a chuckle.

Maybe the KBO has a weirdo owner that would like to get his paws burned with that package...

[monkeyman576]

Hey if Michael Vick can come back why not Franco. American sports hands out second chances like Oprah hands out free cars.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Hey if Michael Vick can come back why not Franco. American sports hands out second chances like Oprah hands out free cars.

Yeah, but there's always a price to pay.

Didn't a few of the Oprah guests end up in the slammer for neglecting to pay taxes on the free car?

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I was about you calling or describing him as a "jackal", "obnoxious" and in other places a "dickhead", "cheap street thug", & a litany of other insults & over the top rhetoric. …And you want to say you wouldn't have done that because you have manners? Dude, please. Look in the frikkin' mirror.

Manners as in "I try to show respect towards women". Manners as in "I try to show respect towards older people". (Although I guess I'm older than both that woman and the man next to her…but I still *think* of myself as younger, if that makes sense.)

Manners as in "I don't intrude on people's personal space without asking permission", even if I was just trying to get past them, much less take something they considered theirs away from them.

Why my insulting a man who did all of those things that I would not (and who will never see my condemnations, anyhow) should be seen as contradictory to my having manners, I only leave to you to explain.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Manners as in "I try to show respect towards women". Manners as in "I try to show respect towards older people". (Although I guess I'm older than both that woman and the man next to her…but I still *think* of myself as younger, if that makes sense.)

Manners as in "I don't intrude on people's personal space without asking permission", even if I was just trying to get past them, much less take something they considered theirs away from them.

Why my insulting a man who did all of those things that I would not (and who will never see my condemnations, anyhow) should be seen as contradictory to my having manners, I only leave to you to explain.

You want an explanation? Manners only matter to you when you impose your code of conduct on others. But not when it restricts your behavior.

[Cobra Mgr]

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

You want an explanation? Manners only matter to you when you impose your code of conduct on others. But not when it restricts your behavior.

Show me where I've sprinted across open space to grab what others consider their property. Hell, show me where I've sprinted, period, given what my knee has been like since 2021.

Your candidate for Father of the Year's actions are not equivalent my critique of said actions, no matter how much you want to make it so. That pretzel won't twist.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Show me where I've sprinted across open space to grab what others consider their property.

That wasn't the aim of my post. The goal was to show your statement about manners was hypocritical.