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Poweshow · 03-01-2022, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

It would result in OOTP not being OOTP. Just anther button masher, bad idea.
The Show is there for a reason

Now if you only want The Show type graphics and commentary added to OOTP without the button mashing so you can sit, well wherever you want, and watch your game playout? Sure, I'm all for it.

It would result in OOTP being played however one wants.
They could mash buttons, they could not mash buttons and play strategically or they could play it the same way they've always played it.

Moving into the 3D world is the ultimate frontier and the frontier that moves this game into the widest market possible.

Ty Cobb · 03-01-2022, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jacobp

Same here. I run OOTP22 on my iMac desktop and the ball in flight was largely invisible in 3D mode making that gameplay mode unusable. None of the various patches fixed the problem, so I gave up.

that there's a setting to control ball size? It's under 3d & Facegen in the Settings from the Main Screen.

I used to play on a 27" mid 2011 iMac, and if you take it to non-Retina screen dimensions, the game is rather unplayable. Go with a lower resolution onscreen, and you may get a better result. I'm 60...and it worked for me.

Sweed · 03-02-2022, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Poweshow

It would result in OOTP being played however one wants.
They could mash buttons, they could not mash buttons and play strategically or they could play it the same way they've always played it.

Moving into the 3D world is the ultimate frontier and the frontier that moves this game into the widest market possible.

It would end up in a technical support mess for no reason. OOTP, like FM, is a management simulation, button mashing is not it's genre and, I believe, as long as Markus is around, never will be. FM's market is not shrinking and it is basically unopposed in it's genre. OOTP staying in it's lane keeps it dominate in it's genre.

Yes, the game is moving into 3d and you can see it in all of it's glory from your manger's or GM's seat. Or from the seat of a fan too, if that's your cup of tea. I totally agree that this does move OOTP into the widest market possible. Again back to OOTP staying on a similar road to FM and how it continues to be so successful.

What you shouldn't/can't do is go out and destroy the statistical accuracy of OOTP by making a 100 BB a year player into a guy that is lucky to draw 5 walks because you don't have the patience or eye to lay off pitches. That is something The Show can do for you quite nicely now

Who's to say in the future that Com2Us (however it's spelled) may buy someone's old engine (maybe they have their own crap engine now?)and try to strap OOTP into it. Good luck trying to catch up to the physics based play of The Show.

Graphically? OOTP has a chance to get closer to The Show given enough time. Button mashing? Who can really say never but... if they try it will suck
in comparison.

Sweed · 03-02-2022, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OleDylano23

guess i'll just stick with 22 for this year. nothing against you guys but I refuse to give money to anything licensed with the clown show that MLB has become with this lockout.

OOTP is what allows me to forget about that clown show. Me withholding my $35 isn't going to hurt them in the least but, it is going to hurt me.

oldfatbaldguy · 03-02-2022, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

DITTO. PT has killed OOTP for me. I'm looking for options

Asking, not arguing ... can't you just ignore it and play the core game?

andyhdz · 03-02-2022, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

DITTO. PT has killed OOTP for me. I'm looking for options

Maybe an exaggeration there. If PT/loot box crap seeps into the gameplay of career/replay sim play then yes 100% agree. You might also argue that focusing resources on PT has taken away the development of the "regular" game although developers have strongly disagreed with that in the past. For now in my opinion PT is a necessary evil needed.

Bobfather · 03-02-2022, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OleDylano23

guess i'll just stick with 22 for this year. nothing against you guys but I refuse to give money to anything licensed with the clown show that MLB has become with this lockout.

But 22 is also licensed by MLB and MLBpa.

Syd Thrift · 03-02-2022, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobfather

But 22 is also licensed by MLB and MLBpa.

this is FAKE NEWS that's just what the newsmedia wants you to believe!!!!

Sweed · 03-02-2022, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

DITTO. PT has killed OOTP for me. I'm looking for options

Well then, lucky for you there are a massive number of baseball sim games out there that do what OOTP does.

Ty Cobb · 03-02-2022, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

this is FAKE NEWS that's just what the newsmedia wants you to believe!!!!

thing I've seen today. Thanks for making me chuckle.

jacobp · 03-02-2022, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

DITTO. PT has killed OOTP for me. I'm looking for options

Diamond Mind Baseball. Best text simulation on the market, IMHO.

daves · 03-02-2022, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jacobp

Diamond Mind Baseball. Best text simulation on the market, IMHO.

But don't you have to buy seasons $$$? Action PC is nice as well, but you have to buy seasons there too!

OOTP is still on top especially at the base price for all that you get. Not even close. If you don't like Perfect team, then don't play it.

snarls200 · 03-03-2022, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

Markus stated they signed an extension with "both MLB and the MLBPA". I take that as they are separate agreements. IE not contingent on both MLB and MLBPA having to agree before it can be signed. IOW both organizations got 100% of the revenue for their agreement. No split was necessary.

Either organization could have decided to not sign an agreement. But why would they not take the money? Kind of a no brainer, right?

Yeah the 1st Madden to have NFL team license didn't have the NFLPA license.

jrgst3 · 03-03-2022, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by daves

But don't you have to buy seasons $$$? Action PC is nice as well, but you have to buy seasons there too!

OOTP is still on top especially at the base price for all that you get. Not even close. If you don't like Perfect team, then don't play it.

Exactly! It takes nothing to ignore it, not even sure what the possible issue might even be...

RchW · 03-03-2022, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jacobp

Diamond Mind Baseball. Best text simulation on the market, IMHO.

Replay sim only right? How does it handle fictional and historical fictional leagues?

David Watts · 03-03-2022, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Replay sim only right? How does it handle fictional and historical fictional leagues?

There are so many great games out there, but OOTP's career play has pretty much ruined all of them for me. It's just too much fun to watch a league grow history year after year. I also love watching the OOTP AI make trades, draft and sign free agents. And then there's random debut. I love creating fictional worlds and stuffing them with historical players from every year baseballs been played. So much fun. I own ActionPC and Digital Diamond Baseball, but I hardly ever even open them.

actionjackson · 03-03-2022, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Replay sim only right? How does it handle fictional and historical fictional leagues?

Neither exist.

Syd Thrift · 03-03-2022, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Replay sim only right? How does it handle fictional and historical fictional leagues?

You don't. I think the current only other game on the market that handles fictional type leagues at all is Baseball Mogul, a game that's been largely unchanged since the early 2000s. I guess in that respect you could also go after PureSim Baseball, which came out in 2006 and is right about as advanced as BB Mogul is.

Really, whatever you think of PT, OOTP is the only game in town and has been for a long, long time. I honestly don't think Clay Dreslough has anything like the ambition to equal OOTP and so mostly puts that game out to catch the folks who want a sim of some sort but doesn't want all the complexity of OOTP (which, TBF, there is *so* much that has been added to OOTP over time that I'm sure it looks massively daunting to first-time players).

BirdWatcher · 03-03-2022, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

You don't. I think the current only other game on the market that handles fictional type leagues at all is Baseball Mogul, a game that's been largely unchanged since the early 2000s. I guess in that respect you could also go after PureSim Baseball, which came out in 2006 and is right about as advanced as BB Mogul is.

Really, whatever you think of PT, OOTP is the only game in town and has been for a long, long time. I honestly don't think Clay Dreslough has anything like the ambition to equal OOTP and so mostly puts that game out to catch the folks who want a sim of some sort but doesn't want all the complexity of OOTP (which, TBF, there is *so* much that has been added to OOTP over time that I'm sure it looks massively daunting to first-time players).

And, just to build on what you and a few others have said here, this is one my sources of great frustration here, when I read those posts where people threaten to try Strat-O-Matic or Diamond Mind, or fill-in-the-blank, because of some perceived fatal flaw in OOTP.
Fine, I want to say. Those are good games. I encourage you to give them a try. And that has what exactly to do with OOTP? Sure, they have some superficial similarities and they do some of the same things. And they are about the same sport. But they are not the same genre. It's a false equivalency. Diamond Mind is a completely different classification of gaming experience from OOTP.

If someone wishes to compare OOTP to Football Manager, or the various games in the Draft Day catalog, or as you say, Baseball Mogul, or OOTP Development's own FHM, well, at least now we are talking about games that are all in the same basic gaming genre. There might be significant differences between them, but if it is not exactly an apples to apples comparison, it is at least fruit to fruit.

I come from a cards and dice/board game/ statistical baseball simulation background, having played Strat-O-Matic for decades, Replay for some time, and several others, including in their PC versions. Good games all. Not true sports management simulations in the sense that FM, OOTP, FHM, et. al. are. Apples to, I don't know, sliced turkey sandwich meat.

Hey, just because I love OOTP that doesn't mean I expect anyone else to. (And, to be fair, I've tried to turn others onto the game with mostly failed results.) But when I see people threatening to go purchase Strat or Diamond Mind, etc. because of how much OOTP sucks in their estimation, it just proves to me that they have no idea what OOTP actually even is.
And, at the risk of being overly snarky, probably don't deserve such a deep, immersive, and thoughtful game.

jeffw3000 · 03-04-2022, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BirdWatcher

And, just to build on what you and a few others have said here, this is one my sources of great frustration here, when I read those posts where people threaten to try Strat-O-Matic or Diamond Mind, or fill-in-the-blank, because of some perceived fatal flaw in OOTP.
Fine, I want to say. Those are good games. I encourage you to give them a try. And that has what exactly to do with OOTP? Sure, they have some superficial similarities and they do some of the same things. And they are about the same sport. But they are not the same genre. It's a false equivalency. Diamond Mind is a completely different classification of gaming experience from OOTP.

If someone wishes to compare OOTP to Football Manager, or the various games in the Draft Day catalog, or as you say, Baseball Mogul, or OOTP Development's own FHM, well, at least now we are talking about games that are all in the same basic gaming genre. There might be significant differences between them, but if it is not exactly an apples to apples comparison, it is at least fruit to fruit.

I come from a cards and dice/board game/ statistical baseball simulation background, having played Strat-O-Matic for decades, Replay for some time, and several others, including in their PC versions. Good games all. Not true sports management simulations in the sense that FM, OOTP, FHM, et. al. are. Apples to, I don't know, sliced turkey sandwich meat.

Hey, just because I love OOTP that doesn't mean I expect anyone else to. (And, to be fair, I've tried to turn others onto the game with mostly failed results.) But when I see people threatening to go purchase Strat or Diamond Mind, etc. because of how much OOTP sucks in their estimation, it just proves to me that they have no idea what OOTP actually even is.
And, at the risk of being overly snarky, probably don't deserve such a deep, immersive, and thoughtful game.

As others have said for career, franchise play nothing matches OOTP for baseball. It is by far the best.

I started with the APBA board game, and played the APBA broadcast blast computer game as well as Diamond mind, but they are a different experience. APBA still has the best broadcast I have seen. Is like listening on radio. They are great to replay one season, but for career, franchise play, nothing can match OOTP. It is the best, and I find myself these days preferring it over the others, even though I do occasionally return to APBA or Diamond mind to replay one season.