New Non-HW Boxers Rated

[CONN CHRIS]

And here is a better picture, or at least a more fitting one, for our pal Mickey Rourke.

[mh2365]

I did not have griffin or holcome but here is Carter

my usuals apply, not sure who and don't import the stats

[bear]

Quick work of this one. Thanks Chris.

Bear

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Here is a best guess on James West, if you find more info on additional fights Bear, I'll take another look at him. Thanks for mentioning his brief fight career.


ROBERT CONRAD MW (1962)

Hometown - Long Beach, California, USA

1(0)-0-0

Conrad is better known as a movie and television actor. His more notable roles included James West on the television series The Wild Wild West and Mag. Greg 'Pappy' Boyington on Baa Baa Black Sheep.

[hamed]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I can look into them. Can never have too many stiffs in my book, and well known ones are all the better!

I didn't see Sin City but Rourke has always rubbed me the wrong way for some reason, I think I'll thow him in with Maxie Rosenbloom so I can watch him get humiliated for a while before being taken out.

I know what you mean! I liked him in "Year of the Dragon" & thought he did a great job in Sin City! I went to a film seminar in Wilmington, N.C. a few years ago & they were talking about what a jerk Rourke was to work with. Maybe he's cleaned up his act since then because I've seen him in a # of films lately.

Thanks for "Jim West", now that brings back some memories - I loved that show!

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by hamed

I know what you mean! I liked him in "Year of the Dragon" & thought he did a great job in Sin City! I went to a film seminar in Wilmington, N.C. a few years ago & they were talking about what a jerk Rourke was to work with. Maybe he's cleaned up his act since then because I've seen him in a # of films lately.

Thanks for "Jim West", now that brings back some memories - I loved that show!

The Wild Wild West was great, but Baa Baa Black Sheep was a real favorite. Another of Dad's passions was flying, he had a pilot's license and took us up from time-to-time. When that show came out, we had been to air shows at the Old Rhineback (sp?) Aerodrome over the summer and I had just read 'Ragged Rugged Warriors' about similar era american mercenarries assisting the Chinese in their air battles against Japan (late thirties). I have forgotten the aircraft that they were using, but it was a bit like bringing Sopwiths and Faulkers to a Corsair fight, they employed some pretty interesting strategies. Anyway, Dad and I must have watched nearly every episode when the show came out and were both in shock when they pulled the plug on Pappy and the Black Sheep Squadron after such a short time.

Once again, thanks for bringing up Robert Conrad Bear! He has always been a favorite and I had had no idea that he boxed.

Christopher

[bear]

My memories of him go back to Hawaian Eye, but my wife tells me I'm older than dirt. The boxing background and interest is evident in the roles he played and the old battery commercial he did. "Go ahead, knock it off." I'm pretty sure he had more bouts than the one listed in boxrec. I'll root through my RRB's.

Bear

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

The Wild Wild West was great, but Baa Baa Black Sheep was a real favorite. Another of Dad's passions was flying, he had a pilot's license and took us up from time-to-time. When that show came out, we had been to air shows at the Old Rhineback (sp?) Aerodrome over the summer and I had just read 'Ragged Rugged Warriors' about similar era american mercenarries assisting the Chinese in their air battles against Japan (late thirties). I have forgotten the aircraft that they were using, but it was a bit like bringing Sopwiths and Faulkers to a Corsair fight, they employed some pretty interesting strategies. Anyway, Dad and I must have watched nearly every episode when the show came out and were both in shock when they pulled the plug on Pappy and the Black Sheep Squadron after such a short time.

Once again, thanks for bringing up Robert Conrad Bear! He has always been a favorite and I had had no idea that he boxed.

Christopher

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by hamed

Hey, that's pretty good Chris! Did you see him in Sin City?

Have you seen/done any stats for ...or Anthony "The Messenger" Thompson?

Thanks!

Is this the guy you mean Hamed? I am not that familiar with him.

[hamed]

Yes Chris, that's him!

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by hamed

Yes Chris, that's him!

I can get to him if you like, unless someone else has the urge.

[bear]

Chris
From the 1962 Ring Record Book I have more on Bob Conrad. I'll use my yyyymmdd dating.
Our Long Beach, CA middlewieght
19601004 Fred Catchings. Los Angeles W KO 2
19601024 Larry McGee, Long Beach TD 1
19601101 Ed Hickman, Los Angeles W 4
19610119 Danny, Perez, Los Angeles W KO 6

Only one of these opponents has a record listed in the 1962 RRB for cross referencing.
It is Ed Hickman ( 083301 in Boxrec) They have him at 8 and 17 with 1 KO in 25
who appears to have been a veteran pre-lim fighter. He's the same guy boxrec has losing to Conrad in San Diego in 1962
From 1958 through 1961 the RRB has him at 13(2 by KO) wins and 25 (5by KO) losses .

Ed Hickman
Los Angeles, CA mw
19581004 Johnny Smith, Hollywood W 4
19581009 Leo Anderson, Los Angeles W 4
19581018 Jesse Poole, Hollywood W 4
19581129 Javier Sanchez, Hollywood L 4
19581216 Alvin Moore, Oakland W 4
19590214 Walter Tyler, Hollywood L KB 4
19590416 Vince Davi, Los Angeles L 6
19590620 Baby Ike, Hollywood L 4
19590721 Wayne Thornton, Fresno L 6
19590725 Artie Fox, Hollywood L 6
19590905 Al Melendez, Hollywood W KO 2
19590926 John Smith, Los Angeles L 4
19591017 Jeff Jones, Los Angeles W 4
19591029 Frank Davis, Los Angeles L 4
19591208 Lou Dodrill, Los Angeles W 4
19600111 John kimber, Los Vegas L 4
19600128 Julius Shanks, Los Angeles W 4
19600209 Eddie Jones, Los Angeles L 6
19600315 Jim Flood, Sacramento L 4
19600405 Larry Mercer, Sacramento L 6
19600412 Julius Shanks, Fresno W 4
19600419 Stan Garcia, Los Angeles L 6
19600530 Ramon Hernandez, Tijuana L 10
19600614 Theil Torrance, Los Angeles L 4
19600628 Wayne Thornton, Fresno L KB 4
19600719 Jim King, Los Angeles L 4
19600802 Chapalin Gutierrez, Phoenix W 10
19600830 Mel Fulgham, Los Angeles L KB 4
19601101 Bob Conrad, Los Angeles L 4
19610323 Perry Hicks, Los Angeles L 6
19610403 Mutt Goodwin, San Francisco L 6
19610508 Johnny Payne, San Francisco L KB 3
19610619 Paul Anderson, Bakersfield W 4
19610704 Anacleto Battad, Honolulu W 6
19610720 Billy Walker, Los Angeles W KO 2
19610725 Charley Shipes, Richmond L 6
19610822 John Newman, Long Beach L KB 1
19610926 Stan Harrington, Honolulu L 10

This guy faced Wayne Thornton twice before stepping in versus Conrad so he wasn't just chopped liver. He also faced Charley Shipes and Stan Harrington. Most have shown something against Battad to get promoters to pop for plane fare to the island to face Harrington and expect to draw more than flies at the gate.

Bear

[CONN CHRIS]

Bear:

Thank you for the work! I appreciate your willingness to look up and transcribe all that for me. I think I'll spend a little time with this information over the weekend and come up with a better rating for one of my favorite actors.

Christopher

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by bear

Most have shown something against Battad to get promoters to pop for plane fare to the island to face Harrington and expect to draw more than flies at the gate.

Bear

That is a great point and one that I often overlook in rating fighters. A few of the CT HW stiffs that I rated made trips to Europe to serve as cannon fodder. What I did not consider was that they obviously didn't fly on their own dime which means they must have shown something to someone. Still stiffs to be sure, but perhaps a cut above run-of-the-mill stiffdom.

I need to go back and look at a few of them.

Christopher


edit - I thought Billy Tisdale might have been one, but I checked and it wasn't him.

[bear]

That's one of the things that make examining records interesting. In the case of fighters we have never seen interpretation becomes an issue. The records present a hermeneutical problem, and we have to make explicit what is implicit in the record. It is easier to do this with British records than with US records of the Fleischer era. Nat Fleischer is praiseworthy for many things, but his insistance that there was no such thing as a TKO has made that task harder. The rsf and ret distinctions qualify the type of KO and reveal more about a fighter.

Bear

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

That is a great point and one that I often overlook in rating fighters. A few of the CT HW stiffs that I rated made trips to Europe to serve as cannon fodder. What I did not consider was that they obviously didn't fly on their own dime which means they must have shown something to someone. Still stiffs to be sure, but perhaps a cut above run-of-the-mill stiffdom.

I need to go back and look at a few of them.

Christopher


edit - I thought Billy Tisdale might have been one, but I checked and it wasn't him.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by bear

The records present a hermeneutical problem, and we have to make explicit what is implicit in the record.
Bear

Now you're starting to sound like my New Testament Studies Professor in college. (that's a compliment by the way )

Thanks again Bear,

Christopher

[bear]

One of my fields of expertise is hermeneutical phenomenology. I'm even listed in the Directory of American Philosophers. As an undergrad John Dominic Crossan was one of my professors.

Bear

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Now you're starting to sound like my New Testament Studies Professor in college. (that's a compliment by the way )

Thanks again Bear,

Christopher

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by bear

One of my fields of expertise is hermeneutical phenomenology. I'm even listed in the Directory of American Philosophers. As an undergrad John Dominic Crossan was one of my professors.

Bear

I had to Google him, impressive fellow. He likely had a hand in a few text books that I've lugged around but I am not familiar with him. To avoid misunderstanding, I did not get a degree in religious studies. My degree was in accounting but I managed to squeeze in 12 so credit hours of religious studies. I did attend seminary later in life but not to pursue a degree. I acted as a chaplain with Transport for Christ International for about 10 years and wanted to tighten a few skills. If anyone looks at that link, I am not in line with them theologically, I was with them because of the ministry area they served - I come from a reformed theology standpoint although I prefer a high church worship style. An evangelical Episcopal church would probably be more my style, but I have always been affiliated with the Reformed Christian Church. (The absurdity of denominations in the Protestant world is a topic that I could go on and on about)

I suppose that I should stop here, I've likely put you all to sleep - sorry.

Christopher

[bear]

I was conking out before seeing this post, Chris. 97 and humid here. We're leery about running our AC because power in our appartment nearly went out twice without it being on. Just feeling sweaty and sapped. It was hot and humid at the induction weekend too. Can't seem to escape from it. Drinking gallons of water and juice.

Taught philosophy and religion courses as a TA and adjunct in one of my earlier lives. It was daunting to be at departmental meetings that included both the theology and philosophy departments. That made guys like John Mckenzie and Bruce Vawter colleagues--both contributed heavily in the production of the New Jeruselem Bible. My theological background, as an allied field or minor, emphasizied ecumenism and process theology.

Bear

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I had to Google him, impressive fellow. He likely had a hand in a few text books that I've lugged around but I am not familiar with him. To avoid misunderstanding, I did not get a degree in religious studies. My degree was in accounting but I managed to squeeze in 12 so credit hours of religious studies. I did attend seminary later in life but not to pursue a degree. I acted as a chaplain with Transport for Christ International for about 10 years and wanted to tighten a few skills. If anyone looks at that link, I am not in line with them theologically, I was with them because of the ministry area they served - I come from a reformed theology standpoint although I prefer a high church worship style. An evangelical Episcopal church would probably be more my style, but I have always been affiliated with the Reformed Christian Church. (The absurdity of denominations in the Protestant world is a topic that I could go on and on about)


I suppose that I should stop here, I've likely put you all to sleep - sorry.

Christopher

[IceTea]

Frankie Mitchell Jr. Welterweight
30-4 14 KOs
Rating: 6

Home Town: Philadelphia, PA

L TKO2 Lavander Johnson
L TKO4 Julio Cesar Chavez
W TKO11 Anthony Boyle
W TKO2 Kenny Vice
L UD12 Brian Mitchell

[IceTea]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Just for fun, you can let some real fighters kick this guy around a bit.


MICKEY ROURKE - LHW (1991-1994) Overall Rating = 1

Hometown - Schenectady, New York, USA

6(5)-0-2

Rourke, a self-proclaimed tough guy and Hollywood actor, briefly tried his hand at boxing. Fighting in the USA as well as Japan, Spain and Germany, Rourke faced professional opponents Terry Jesmer, Darrell Miller and an assortment of other stiffs. He managed to escape the experiment without a loss at the age of 38 and resumed his acting career.

Rourke has been in a number of films including Fade to Black, Body Heat, The Pope of Greenwich Village, The Thin Red Line and Sin City. At 49 years of age, he is thankfully too old to give boxing another shot.

*** I did not know that he was from Schenectady which is about an hour east of me. He was good in "Spun" with Brittany Murphy, John Leguizamo, and Mena Suvari.

I heard a story once that he was sparring with Thomas Hearns and was fooling around until Hearns knocked him out with a right hand ending the sparring session.

MJ

[IceTea]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Here is a best guess on James West, if you find more info on additional fights Bear, I'll take another look at him. Thanks for mentioning his brief fight career.


ROBERT CONRAD MW (1962)

Hometown - Long Beach, California, USA

1(0)-0-0

Conrad is better known as a movie and television actor. His more notable roles included James West on the television series The Wild Wild West and Mag. Greg 'Pappy' Boyington on Baa Baa Black Sheep.

Also well known for daring people to knock the battery off his shoulder. I remember the show "Baa Baa Black Sheep" from the mid to late 70s.

MJ