New Non-HW Boxers Rated

[IceTea]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

He does look a tad big for a MW, but he was listed as the Mike Williams from Baltimore that lost to Lee Cargle. Could be the heavyweight Mike Williams though.

I think it is the heavyweight. He also played in Rocky V and has had minor parts in a dozen other movies.

MJ

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by IceTea

I think it is the heavyweight. He also played in Rocky V and has had minor parts in a dozen other movies.

MJ

Does anyone have a copy of rocky V that they could check? (I have no desire to sit through it again )

[CONN CHRIS]

JESSE "Bang Bang" WILLIAMS - WW (1984-1991) Overall Rating = 3

Hometown - Orlando, Florida, USA

Florida State Lightweight Champion

Williams' career highlight was a ten round split decision over Prudencio Cardona in Miami. He suffered losses to some good fighters including Juan Martin Coggi, Lupe Suarez, Calvin Grove and Simon Skosana. He was stopped five times.

[CONN CHRIS]

Jesse Williams

[IceTea]

Mike Williams HW

[CONN CHRIS]

DON RUCKER - LHW (1973-1977) Overall Rating = 2

Hometown - Buffalo, New York

7(6)-7-0

KO'd in two by Richie Kates, caught Rico Hoye early in his career with a first round KO. Rucker was stopped five times in his brief 14 bout career.

[IceTea]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Does anyone have a copy of rocky V that they could check? (I have no desire to sit through it again )

Williams was scheduled to fight Tommy Morrison in the fall of 1993 but wouldn't come out of the locker room. Williams played Union Cane who was KOd by Morrison in the movie. The wanted Riddick Bowe for the part but he refused to go down.

[CONN CHRIS]

Don Rucker

[jofre]

Originally Posted by IceTea

I think it is the heavyweight. He also played in Rocky V and has had minor parts in a dozen other movies.

MJ

He looks like Mike "Hercules" Williams who was being heralded as a bright prospect because of his gym wars with Mike Tyson. He never lived up to his early hype.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001284

[CONN CHRIS]

Thanks for the help on Williams Mark & Jofre.

[IceTea]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Thanks for the help on Williams Mark & Jofre.

Nice find Chris. The below pic of you will be entered into both the Title Bout Hall of Fame and the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, NY upon your retirement or 5 days after your wife tosses your computer into the Hudson River.

MJ

[CONN CHRIS]

It will more likely be the Connecticut River and I would never wear a tie like that

[IceTea]

That tie is from the Howard Belzer collection.

MJ

[CONN CHRIS]

JOE 'Red' D'AMATO - WW (1946-1949) Overall Rating = 4

Born - Youngstown, Ohio
Hometown - Brooklyn, New York
Trainer - Carmen Chicklo

25(16)-2-0

Brooklyn local fighter that ran up a good record against few recognizable names following WWII. He TKO'd Carmine Fiore in one round and was only stopped once himself.

[CONN CHRIS]

Joe D'Amato

[CONN CHRIS]

That is strange. The file name is D'Amato_Joe.tbdx but comes through as Amato.

The file still imports as D'Amato though - very odd.

[Jim_Kidd]

Originally Posted by IceTea

I think it is the heavyweight. He also played in Rocky V and has had minor parts in a dozen other movies.

MJ

Is that the same Mike Williams (former heavyweight prospect) who was floored by jabs on the Tyson-Spinks undercard?

[Rocco Del Sesto]

43 wins / 13 losses / 3 draws / 14 KO

Hometown: Croydon, England

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Hart fought the first half of his 8 year career as a middleweight compiling a 34-8-3,12KO record. He started out 22-3-1 including a couple losses to Al Marson and wins against Arthur Sadd and Albert Finch. In April 1947 he defeated Albert Finch in a 12 round decision for the British (South East Area) Middleweight Title. Hart later lost a 12 round decision to Dick Turpin in a Final Eliminator for the British MW Title. In earlier fights before that he lost a 6 round decision and drew 6 rounds against Randy Turpin.

In October 1948 Hart lost the South East Area title to Albert Finch in another 12 round decision. Other middleweight fights included wins over Richard Murphy, Doug Miller, three times against Arthur Sadd, and Jimmy Carroll. He lost fights to Laurent Dauthuille, and Don Cockell while fighting a 10 round draw with Robert Villemain.

In the later half of 1949, Hart began making the climb fighting in the Light Heavy ranks.He won a couple fights against an Alf Gallagher and Allan Cooke and then defeated Reg Spring in December 1949 in a 12 round battle for the British (South East Area) Light Heavyweight Title. That was followed by a 10 round loss to Dennis Powell and 10 round wins against Jackie Marr and Jimmy Carroll. In April 1950 he lost by 4th round TKO to Mel Brown when Hart suffered a badly damaged eye. Hart came back two month later and defeated Dennis Powell in 12 rounds in a Final Eliminator round for the British LHW Title. In October that year he then faced Don Cockell for the British LHW Title that was vacated by the retirement of Freddie Mills. Cockell KO'd Hart in the 14th round. In March 1951 he lost by 10 round decision to Garnett Denny.

Hart then did not fight for two years before staging a comeback in March 1953 moving up to heavyweight, and getting KO'd in 5 by Les Johnson. By June of that year Hart finished his career for good after winning a couple fights against Paddy Slavin and REg Andrews and then loosing an 8 round decision to Lloyd Barnett.

attached are MW and LHW versions.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Light Heavyweight - England Rating 2
44 wins / 18 losses / 7 draws / 17 KO

Hometown: Stepney, England
Birthplace: Poplar, England

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Defeated Reg Spring in 10 round decision in October 1947 in and Eliminator for the British (South East Area) LHW Title. In March 1948 Marson then won a 12 round decision over Jock Taylor for that title. In February 1949 he lost the South East Title to Reg Spring by 7th round TKO.

During his busy career, Marson's other fights of note were wins against Mark Hart(43-13-3,14KO) twice, Len Bennett(30-16-1,14KO), Arthur Sadd, Frank Hough(MW-HW61-25-4,42KO), Reg Spring in a non title fight. Losses were mounted against Middleweight Eddie MaGuire(51-43-13,13KO), Jack Hyams, Len Bennett four times, Charlie Collett(40-20-2,31Ko), Jack Smith(27-6-2,12KO), Bert Gilroy, Dave Davis(25-5-5,11ko), and Johnny McGowan. Marson fought draws with Arthur Sadd, Charlie Collett, Jack Smith, and Jock Taylor.

Al Marson made a short career in itself in fights against Ernie Woodman(41-28-8,22KO) as they squared off 7 times with Marson winning 5 and the other two ending in draws.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Light Heavyweight England Rating 3
41 wins / 24 losses / 7 draws / 17 KO

Alias: Buster
Hometown/Birthplace: Southall, England

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

This guy was constantly in the ring averaging around 11 to 12 fights a year. All but one of his 72 fights was in England. The one fight outside his homeland was in Belfast, Northern Ireland in his 4th to last career fight, against Garnett Denny, an 8 round decision loss.

In October 1947 he lost a 10 round decision to Al Marson in an eliminator for the British (South East Area) LHW Title. In October 1948 he defeated Jock Taylor in 10 rounds in another eliminator for the South East Area LHW Title, then that February, 1949 he stopped Al Marson in the 7th round to take that light heavyweight title. Ten months later in December 1949 he lost that title in a 12 round decision to Mark Hart.

Other victories in Spring's career included over Jimmy Carroll, Allan Cooke, Johnny Williams, Don Cockell, Tony Lord twice, Johnny Barton and Nick Fisher. He fought two draws with Carroll and one with Jock Taylor. The losses mounted up more against the guys we've looked at in the game. They included against Allan Cooke, Don Cockell three times, Jimmy Carroll four times, Jock Taylor, Lloyd Barnett, Johnny Williams twice, Al Marson, Albert Finch, Dave Williams, Garnett Denny and Alex Buxton.