Change the font? - Page 6

The Wolf · 06-27-2012, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Yeah, I think silvam is right, Wolfie. Too much programming to fix the interface (it's NOT just a matter of substituting fonts because better ones would not fit certain screen spaces properly, I gather) and even mass deleting coaches is probably going to take up too much programming time. I'm hoping that they went in and fixed the most egregious storylines issues, at least.

1998, I hate it when you go all rational and logical on me.

JWay · 06-28-2012, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Ahh, the plot thickens! So there was at least one beta tester who complained about the font, at least indirectly. And was ignored.

Ignored...not this time. I think the new coat of paint threw people off. Me and a few others just looked at it and thought things felt off. I never tracked it down to fonts though.

Anyway the GUI is much better than the first draft. It's just not all that pleasing to me yet. But if you paint your walls a new color. It takes most people a long time before they realize the color sucks.

Just a case of new equals fun exciting and good. When it was more or less one step forward and two small steps back.

1998 Yankees · 06-28-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JWay

Ignored...not this time. I think the new coat of paint threw people off. Me and a few others just looked at it and thought things felt off. I never tracked it down to fonts though.

You want to "see" what I think was bothering you? Here:

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Here are the two OOTP fonts in question. Open these font printouts in two Adobe Reader windows, side by side, and use Alt-Tab to flip back and forth between them.

Cras and some others have a problem with columns of numbers not lining up using the OOTP 13 version, and that bothers me too. But what really bothers me is the legibility of the new font.

Take a look at the size 12 lines in each display, flipping back and forth. See how the Droid Sans 'Vera' of OOTP13 is thinner and not as sharp as the Vera Sans of OOTP12?

That is the problem! And this is size 12. It gets worse with sizes 10 and 8, I am sure. No wonder my eyes were bothering me after looking at this font for long stretches at a time.

JWay · 06-28-2012, 05:15 PM

The font is an issue. I just don't think it's aesthetically pleasing to look at overall. It's more glorified spreadsheet less video game now.

The Wolf · 06-28-2012, 09:21 PM

Pressure Markus to fix it in the next patch.

JWay · 06-28-2012, 09:22 PM

I'm trying.

MizzouRah · 06-28-2012, 09:58 PM

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I'm trying.

1998 Yankees · 06-29-2012, 09:16 PM

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I'm trying.

Good luck, and thanks.

The Wolf · 06-30-2012, 11:57 AM

Please try harder! This is important and it affects everyone.

1998 Yankees · 06-30-2012, 01:01 PM

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Please try harder! This is important and it affects everyone.

And thanks to you and the other guys here who are keeping this thread afloat and in the faces of certain people who may be noticing its prevalence.

MizzouRah · 06-30-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

And thanks to you and the other guys here who are keeping this thread afloat and in the faces of certain people who may be noticing its prevalence.

+1

I can't even play it without the nice little workaround we have.

The Wolf · 07-01-2012, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

And thanks to you and the other guys here who are keeping this thread afloat and in the faces of certain people who may be noticing its prevalence.

They do seem to ignore us a lot.

1998 Yankees · 07-01-2012, 01:56 PM

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They do seem to ignore us a lot.

Nah, I don't think that's true (today - right now for me, that is

). "They" keep an eye on these forums, as we have seen in the past when a patch fix list contains an item that got zero acknowledgement and feedback from them in its discussion thread.

A number of considerations are at play, IMO:

Limited programming time and resources.
Their need to make business decisions accordingly.
Our lack of knowledge about these things and what it takes to come up with the fixes and enhancements that we request.
Their need, to preserve their dignity, self-esteem, and tranquility, to avoid heated debates about these things in the forums. Can you honestly tell me that you've never seen that happen here over the years?

Now, if I could not swap the font with the old version from 12 and have a reasonable workaround, well . . .

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yajeflow · 10-06-2012, 04:47 PM

my league skipped OOTP 11 and OOTP 12, but i had to convert to OOTP 12 before finally converting over to OOTP 13. so i never even looked at OOTP 12's font.

i have done so now, and...i gotta agree with markus here. OOTP 13's just looks better. i was already taking notes here about what to do, how to do it, etc. just assuming that 12's was somehow better.

i believe yank'98 said something about there being a lot of lurkers out there that would be changing their's to 12. that is a pretty bold assumption. i would counter that there are apparently only six people that don't like the new font, and we have heard from all of them.

that being said, has time spent with OOTP 13's font changed softened anyone's feelings on the matter now?

Déjà Bru · 10-06-2012, 07:22 PM

I wrote someplace that I thought, somewhere in one of those patches, that they might have tweaked how the font was being handled in the interface. It might have been done very quietly because they did not want to call attention to it in the first place.

All I know is this: When all was said and done, I ended up with the array of fonts in my folder as shown below. They are all from OOTP 13, not 12, but I am reasonably sure that they were all dated in March of this year when version 13 was first released. I was unhappy then; I am happy now and I'm not changing a thing.

MizzouRah · 12-11-2012, 10:57 AM

Looks like we have a fix boys!

Thanks Markus!!!

Cras · 12-11-2012, 01:07 PM

This patch is certainly a welcome surprise. Now I just gotta dig around and see where I backed up the original fonts and see how they look now.

PSUColonel · 12-11-2012, 01:51 PM

I could swear the quality of the logos look better too, but I don't know if one has anything to do with the other.

10-06-2012, 07:22 PM	#115
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,741	I wrote someplace that I thought, somewhere in one of those patches, that they might have tweaked how the font was being handled in the interface. It might have been done very quietly because they did not want to call attention to it in the first place. All I know is this: When all was said and done, I ended up with the array of fonts in my folder as shown below. They are all from OOTP 13, not 12, but I am reasonably sure that they were all dated in March of this year when version 13 was first released. I was unhappy then; I am happy now and I'm not changing a thing. Attached Images __________________ - Bru

12-11-2012, 01:07 PM	#117
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06-28-2012, 05:15 PM	#104
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	The font is an issue. I just don't think it's aesthetically pleasing to look at overall. It's more glorified spreadsheet less video game now.

06-28-2012, 09:22 PM	#106
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	I'm trying.

10-06-2012, 04:47 PM	#114
yajeflow Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: newport beach Posts: 199	my league skipped OOTP 11 and OOTP 12, but i had to convert to OOTP 12 before finally converting over to OOTP 13. so i never even looked at OOTP 12's font. i have done so now, and...i gotta agree with markus here. OOTP 13's just looks better. i was already taking notes here about what to do, how to do it, etc. just assuming that 12's was somehow better. i believe yank'98 said something about there being a lot of lurkers out there that would be changing their's to 12. that is a pretty bold assumption. i would counter that there are apparently only six people that don't like the new font, and we have heard from all of them. that being said, has time spent with OOTP 13's font changed softened anyone's feelings on the matter now?

12-11-2012, 10:57 AM	#116
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,266	Looks like we have a fix boys! Thanks Markus!!!

12-11-2012, 01:51 PM	#118
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,146	I could swear the quality of the logos look better too, but I don't know if one has anything to do with the other.