Some Jazz-Age Ballparks - Page 6

asrivkin · 11-12-2021, 04:05 PM

Are you on a Mac (like I am) or a PC? Not that it should matter, I'd think, but maybe there's a weird character in one of the files that makes PCs unhappy?

thehef · 11-12-2021, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asrivkin

Are you on a Mac (like I am) or a PC? Not that it should matter, I'd think, but maybe there's a weird character in one of the files that makes PCs unhappy?

On a PC

asrivkin · 12-05-2021, 01:48 PM

Hi all,

After a bit of a pause driven by various work and life things, I'm happy to point to Beyer Stadium, home of the AAGPBL Rockford Peaches.

Beyer Stadium Google Drive link

As usual, this one has a few anachronisms, though perhaps for different reasons than usual--the AAGPBL was constantly tinkering with various rules including the distances between bases and between the pitcher's mound and home plate. This model of course has the MLB/MiLB standard distances. I don't see that Beyer Stadium had any fences but i put in a chain-link fence if only for convenience. I couldn't find any dimensions so just put something in that seemed reasonable for CF and the lines and worked from there.

I ran an exhibition game and things seemed to work OK. As usual, let me know if something doesn't work, though as recently demonstrated that doesn't mean I can fix it.

I expect to stay at a slower pace over the next several weeks, but next in my queue are Ruppert Stadium in Newark, the Racine AAGPBL park, and another 1915-1920 era park (maybe New Haven or Providence).

The Game · 12-05-2021, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asrivkin

Hi all,

After a bit of a pause driven by various work and life things, I'm happy to point to Beyer Stadium, home of the AAGPBL Rockford Peaches.

Beyer Stadium Google Drive link

As usual, this one has a few anachronisms, though perhaps for different reasons than usual--the AAGPBL was constantly tinkering with various rules including the distances between bases and between the pitcher's mound and home plate. This model of course has the MLB/MiLB standard distances. I don't see that Beyer Stadium had any fences but i put in a chain-link fence if only for convenience. I couldn't find any dimensions so just put something in that seemed reasonable for CF and the lines and worked from there.

I ran an exhibition game and things seemed to work OK. As usual, let me know if something doesn't work, though as recently demonstrated that doesn't mean I can fix it.

I expect to stay at a slower pace over the next several weeks, but next in my queue are Ruppert Stadium in Newark, the Racine AAGPBL park, and another 1915-1920 era park (maybe New Haven or Providence).

thank you, thank you, thank you. I'll try this later tonight.

kcstengelsr · 12-05-2021, 06:11 PM

I will do a test of Beyer Stadium but it will be a while since I want to use the correct 1943 Rockford Peaches roster. I can even find some limited stats, so hopefully I can construct the 1943 AAGPBL teams.

Of course we can't get the skirts for the proper uniforms. Has anyone done uniforms (at least uniform colors and logos) for the women's league? If not, I will improvise some kind of apparel.

If I wanted to test Beyer in a hurry I suppose I could use teams from the early 1940s Class D Wisconsin State League men's minors but they had a few sluggers in the league which might wreck the way the women's league ballpark worked. Using actual stats for the 1943 women's team should help solve many problems with the park size such as homerun numbers.

As far as the rules are concerned, the league changed over time. It began in 1943 using a larger ball pitched underhanded from 40 feet with bases at 60 feet, but the final year of the women's league in 1954 used a regulation ball pitched overhead from 60 feet with bases at 85 feet. I understand the limits the game places on park creation so one will just have to imagine.

I will try to post on Twitch an AAGPBL game with correct rosters at Beyer on Twitch when I am ready. Hopefully, before Christmas.

asrivkin · 12-05-2021, 06:43 PM

Yep, this is a hitter's park according to the online widget--it's 300 to LF, 293 to RF and 350 to CF, home runs are inflated something like 40-50%. But obviously, folks should tinker with park factors etc. depending on their particular use case.

I'll also add one more screenshot showing the ticket booth and stairs way out in the left field corner, since I did make it and might as well get credit for it even if it never ever gets shown in-game.

Ty Cobb · 12-06-2021, 09:09 AM

Very nice!

The Game · 12-06-2021, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcstengelsr

I will do a test of Beyer Stadium but it will be a while since I want to use the correct 1943 Rockford Peaches roster. I can even find some limited stats, so hopefully I can construct the 1943 AAGPBL teams.

Of course we can't get the skirts for the proper uniforms. Has anyone done uniforms (at least uniform colors and logos) for the women's league? If not, I will improvise some kind of apparel.

If I wanted to test Beyer in a hurry I suppose I could use teams from the early 1940s Class D Wisconsin State League men's minors but they had a few sluggers in the league which might wreck the way the women's league ballpark worked. Using actual stats for the 1943 women's team should help solve many problems with the park size such as homerun numbers.

As far as the rules are concerned, the league changed over time. It began in 1943 using a larger ball pitched underhanded from 40 feet with bases at 60 feet, but the final year of the women's league in 1954 used a regulation ball pitched overhead from 60 feet with bases at 85 feet. I understand the limits the game places on park creation so one will just have to imagine.

I will try to post on Twitch an AAGPBL game with correct rosters at Beyer on Twitch when I am ready. Hopefully, before Christmas.

see this thread.
https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...57#post4847957

The Game · 12-06-2021, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asrivkin

Yep, this is a hitter's park according to the online widget--it's 300 to LF, 293 to RF and 350 to CF, home runs are inflated something like 40-50%. But obviously, folks should tinker with park factors etc. depending on their particular use case.

I'll also add one more screenshot showing the ticket booth and stairs way out in the left field corner, since I did make it and might as well get credit for it even if it never ever gets shown in-game.

thats awesome. If you want i can measure the distances on Thursday, i think. Going to Rockford on Thursday and i will go here again.

asrivkin · 12-06-2021, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Game

thats awesome. If you want i can measure the distances on Thursday, i think. Going to Rockford on Thursday and i will go here again.

If you're planning to go, sure--or you can see if there's someone there who knows what the original dimensions were. I'm not sure the current dimensions match what the ones they used were. Also, if the real dimensions were too small we'd have to enlarge them anyhow--a CF dimension of 300 feet puts the center fielder beyond the fence when a play starts. So I wouldn't have you go out of your way to do it. But it'd be easy enough to alter the dimensions to whatever size field you prefer.

The Game · 12-07-2021, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asrivkin

If you're planning to go, sure--or you can see if there's someone there who knows what the original dimensions were. I'm not sure the current dimensions match what the ones they used were. Also, if the real dimensions were too small we'd have to enlarge them anyhow--a CF dimension of 300 feet puts the center fielder beyond the fence when a play starts. So I wouldn't have you go out of your way to do it. But it'd be easy enough to alter the dimensions to whatever size field you prefer.

i sent a tweet out to @AAGPBL & @RFDPeaches75 on Twitter to ask them if they know.

kcstengelsr · 12-09-2021, 02:58 PM

I wanted my test of Beyer to do justice to the AAGPBL and so I spent many hours of preparation prior to the YouTube video link found below of my game at Beyer. It really is a fantastic addition to the ballparks found at the OOTP Mods.

I wanted to set up a game between Racine and Rockford set in the inaugural AAGPBL season of 1943. Txranger was kind enough to provide a link to his AAGPBL jerseys, caps, and logos and so I decided to go the whole nine yards and set up the four teams in that 1943 season based upon real player names and real player stats.

I first created a four team fantasy league in commissioner mode and had the league based around the statistics of 1908 MLB which looked about right to me comparing things like league ERA and homeruns of 1908 MLB and 1943 AAGPBL. In other words, expect the play and strategy of the ladies this season to be similar to the deadball era.

The 1943 AAGPBL rules appeared to be mixture of fast pitch softball and baseball. Baseball additions were nine players instead of ten, runners allowed to lead off from bases, and the allowed use of baseball bats. Softball holdovers in 1943 included a larger ball pitched underhanded from 40 feet with the bases 60 feet apart.

The 1943 AAGPBL had all four teams playing 108 regular season games. Racine finished with 59 regular season wins and defeated Kenosha three games to none in the playoffs. Rockford's 48 wins was last in the league. The top hitter in the league that year for batting average was Gladys Davis of the Peaches at .332 while the top home run hitter was Eleanor Dapkus Wolf of the Belles with 10.

Starting with the fictional players and ratings I manually created the proper player names and based their player ratings on actual 1943 AAGPBL statistics but all fielders except for noted stars at their position were given average ratings since I could not easily find fielding statistics for that year. If date of birth was not found I made those players 25 years old with a birthday of October 5, 1917. Except for the rare cases like Racine's Kurys, almost all heights and weights of the AAGPBL players are not available and so I arbitrarily set the unknown at the 1940 women's adult average height at 5 foot 2 and 1940 women's adult average weight at 134. All pitchers throw right-handed and all batters hit right-handed if that fact is not known.

Here is the Youtube video of my Belles facing the Peaches at asrivkin's Beyer Stadium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51iQ...el=kcstengelsr

I describe it there as:

"Jerseys, caps, and logos by txranger. Sounds by kcstengelsr. Manual changes from fictional players to get correct player names and all players have manually adjusted ratings based upon real 1943 AAGPBL stats.
Note: the game does not have female player models and skirts were not possible. play-by-play refers by default to he/him/his instead of she/her/hers. the game has pitching and base distances by default at major league standard and so 1943 AAGPBL distances were not possible."

It took me a lot of time and effort to eventually produce this video but Beyer Stadium by asrivkin was worth it. I next plan of completing the rosters and ratings of Kenosha and South Bend and I may do another video featuring the other two teams of the 1943 AAGPBL.

kcstengelsr · 12-10-2021, 10:10 PM

As hoped, I did finish the rosters and ratings of Kenosha and South Bend and so I have completed all four of the 1943 AAGPBL teams. Kenosha had 56 regular season wins and went on to lose to Racine in the playoffs. South Bend had 58 wins but did not make the playoffs as it was set for first half versus second half teams. It took some time to finalize my fifteen in number active women's rosters of the four teams (with about four on each team being pitchers) as some players that year moved around as the league wanted balance. I decided to also use balance to properly place those who had been on more than one team.

I do have South Bend hosting Kenosha on Youtube while using Rockford's Beyer Stadium by asrivkin. The game features two of the best AAGBPL 1943 pitching aces, those two being Margaret Berger of South Bend and Helen Nichol Fox of Kenosha. The Youtube link is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdUF...el=kcstengelsr

I personally learned quite a bit of things I did not know about the AAGPBL while doing this project so it was worth the time and effort. Here are just two:

1. You baseball historians probably are aware of the fact that fifteen year old Joe Nuxhall pitched for the Cincinnati Reds during the ballplayer shortage in 1944, but the 1943 AAGPBL had a surprising number of players under the age of eighteen with the youngest of all being South Bend's Dorothy Schroeder who had only turned fifteen less than two months before the opening of the season. Schroeder was a slick-fielding, light-hitting shortstop who was later in her career with an improved bat skill described by Chicago Cubs manager Charlie Grimm as worth $50K per year, "if she were a boy." Dorothy is also the sole and only one of these women who played through the complete 1943-1954 AAGPBL era. She also happens to be one of the rare AAGPBL players with known height and weight at 5 foot 8 inches and 150 pounds. The movie "A League of Their Own" does not hint that a good number of 1943 AAGPBL players were teenagers.

South Bend manager Bert Niehoff actually had a previous experience before the AAGPBL playing a woman while he managed a game. As skipper of minor league Chattanooga facing the New York Yankees in an 1931 exhibition he called for a relief pitcher and brought in seventeen year old lefty woman Virne Mitchell to face Babe Ruth. Ruth hammed it up with two wild swings and then was struck out looking. Gehrig followed and fanned swinging. Lazzeri tried a bunt and then Niehoff gave Mitchell the rest of the game off. A few days later Baseball Commissioner Landis voided Virne's contract, ending her career. The judge said that baseball for women was "too strenuous." Actually baseball did not formally ban women until 1952. Former major league second baseman and long time minor league manager Bert Niehoff had dealt with women before.

For now I have all four of the 1943 AAGPBL team I created using Beyer Stadium as their home grounds. When asrivkin completes the ballpark for Racine I think I will use the Racine park for the Belles and Kenosha and Beyer Stadium for the Peaches and South Bend.

Good work, asrivkin!

The Game · 12-19-2021, 02:40 PM

subscribed. I plan on watching some of the videos in an hour or so while i play OOTP.

asrivkin · 12-19-2021, 11:35 PM

Well, I thought I'd go at a slower pace, but apparently I'm not.

So here's Ruppert Stadium in Newark. It was home to the Newark Bears of the International League and the Newark Eagles of the Negro National League. There's a SABR article about it, if you're interested. A veritable who's who of baseball in the 1920s-1940s played here at some point, including an aging Babe Ruth in an exhibition game in the twilight of his career.

As someone who grew up in the NYC suburbs, I couldn't resist representing some of the brands my grandparents liked on the outfield walls.

The factory next door to the 3rd-base side isn't quite in the right place, but it at least adds some visual interest. I couldn't find any views out to the 1st-base side, but it looks on the maps like there was a chemical plant over there, so that's what I grabbed from 3D Warehouse.

Thanks to KCStengelSr, who served (yet again!) as playtester and fence tweaker! Let me know if you're having any problems and I'll see what I can do! As far as what's on deck, Horlick Field, home of the AAGPBL's Racine Belles, is pretty close to done.

Google Drive link to Ruppert Stadium

kcstengelsr · 12-20-2021, 08:43 PM

Thank you so much for Ruppert Stadium in Newark. The park is important for both the history of the minor leagues and for the history of the Negro Leagues. Publishing Ruppert Stadium has also achieved a milestone in the history of OOTP 3D Mods as for the first time ever one wishing to play a season of the major league Negro Leagues (1920-1948) now has available a published 3D Mods home ballpark for each of the teams in at least one season during the history of the Negro Leagues.

If one wanted to play the 1920 Negro Leagues season one would have a tough time placing teams in proper parks as only Schorling (South Side Park) in Chicago by silvam14, Washington Park in Indianapolis by asrivkin, and Inlet Park in Atlantic City by asrivkin have yet to be published at 3D Mods. It looks like the 1930 Negro Leagues season has five published parks available and the 1940 Negro Leagues season is missing any home park for two teams, but with Ruppert one now can give each of the 1946 Negro Leagues teams a home.

Having Ruppert now allows one to assign a home ballpark to each of the teams for actually THREE campaigns of the Negro Leagues (1945-1947). For example, if one wanted to play the historically important 1946 Negro Leagues (read asrivkin's link to the SABR article on Ruppert) one could assign teams to parks as follows using the records listed of the Negro Leagues at Seamheads:

1946 Negro National League
1. Newark Eagles. Ruppert Stadium by asrivkin.
2. New York Cubans. Polo Grounds 1940-63 by silvam14. The Cubans also used that season Yankee Stadium 1938-51 by silvam14 and Dexter Park in Queens which is yet to be created by anyone as far as I know.
3. Baltimore Elite Giants. Bugle Field by asrivkin.
4. Homestead Grays. Griffith Stadium 1921-51 by silvam14. The Grays also used that season Forbes Field 1925-46 by silvam14.
5. Philadelphia Stars. Shibe Park 1930-48 by silvam14. The Stars also used that season 44th & Parkside (also known as Penmar Park) in Philadelphia, but Penmar is yet to be created.
6. New York Black Yankees. Yankee Stadium 1938-51 by silvam14. The Black Yankees also used that season Polo Grounds and Dexter Park.

1946 Negro American League
1. Kansas City Monarchs. Blues Stadium 1942-54 by silvam14.
2. Birmingham Black Barons. Rickwood Field by silvam14.
3. Cleveland Buckeyes. League Park 1930-46 by silvam14. The Buckeyes that season also used Cleveland Stadium 1932-53 by silvam14.
4. Cincinnati-Indianapolis Clowns. Crosley Field 1942-57 by silvam14. The Clowns that season also used Victory Field (also known as Perry Stadium or Bush Stadium) in Indianapolis but Perry is yet to be created,
5. Memphis Red Sox. Russwood Park by asrivkin.
6. Chicago American Giants. Comiskey Park 1927-48 by silvam14.

Maybe someday creators will build on this set of complete Negro Leagues home parks but it probably would be easiest to start from the 1946 above list and gradually add parks missing for some years. For examples,
A. To give each of the 1948 Negro Leagues teams a home park (the last year credited as major league quality) the missing are Martin Stadium in Memphis (historically significant as then the only stadium owned by African Americans in the whole country) and Perry in Indianapolis, but Redwing Stadium in Rochester would also be handy as the Black Yankees played the bulk of their 1948 home games in Rochester.
B. To give each of the 1944 Negro Leagues teams a home park the missing are Martin in Memphis and Penmar in Philadelphia.

I want to thank asrivkin and silvam14 for providing the parks necessary for one to play at least one Negro Leagues season using OOTP. In 1946 the Newark Eagles defeated the Kansas City Monarchs in seven games for the NL World Series. I used Ruppert and along with the correct 1946 rosters from Seamheads I played a game at Ruppert and published it at YouTube for all to see. The link is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwbx...el=kcstengelsr

Thank you asrivkin!

asrivkin · 12-28-2021, 02:36 PM

Happy Holidays, all!

I've been spending some time finishing up my actual OOTP project (the Phillies surprised the Red Sox in the 1917 World Series, taking it in 5 games) but did manage to finish another park: Racine's Horlick Field, home to the AAGPBL's Racine Belles! According to Green Cathedrals, it also was the home field for the Chicago American Giants for a small number of games in 1945 and 1950.

Google Drive Link to Horlick Field

This was a fun one! A few good pictures from reasonable angles and a relatively restricted period of time. I also found a bunch of material including a run of Racine Belles yearbooks at the Wisconsin Historical Society. No pictures of the field, but fun to look through.

Even with that, there are still a few caveats. It took me a bit of extra care to get the field sized correctly (a perennial problem for me)--in this case the AAGPBL baseline distances tripped me up since I typically take it for granted that if I see the bases in a photo they'll be 90' apart. The ballpark dimensions in Green Cathedrals suggest to me that they _didn't_ take that into account. I also stuck in a scoreboard modeled after what Kenosha had, though I couldn't find any pictures with a clear view of the outfield. I used the park factors that OOTP gave me for a field of this size in Milwaukee, but you'll probably want to put in some different park factors depending on what you're using this for.

As usual, please let me know of any problems and I'll try to tackle them!

kcstengelsr · 12-29-2021, 09:07 AM

I have a game using Horlick up on YouTube with the park factors for Horlick all set at 1.000 and capacity set at 5000. The link for the game between the Racine Belles and Kenosha Comets set in the 1943 AAGPBL is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edir...el=kcstengelsr

My game has lots of different things since I basically created the 1943 AAGPBL from scratch using the available actual statistics. I play-tested dozens of full 1943 seasons to get historical results which required tweaking the league settings for things like hits, extra base hits, strikeouts, walks, and steals. I added tinted photos of the actual 1943 AAGPBL players. I added custom sounds like the piano playing a tune from 1943 for the stretch, and I added some custom camera angles to Horlick. I hope people enjoy watching this game as I think my AAGPBL project now results in season-long statistics very close to the actual results. For example, do expect many stolen base attempts as that was very common in the 1943 AAGPBL.

Notes:
1. Some of you may be able to set your text reader to a female voice. I wanted to do so for this AAGPBL game and I was able to set my text reader/narrator to female for most purposes but for the OOTP game it always reverts to Mick David (Microsoft David). Some of you might have better luck getting a female voice.
2. The game text by default refers to he, him, his, and he's instead of she, her, hers, and she's. I suspect to get female reference that the OOTP Development Team would have to make some small tweaks to OOTP/data/text/english and then make the new file something like english_female.

Thank you asrivkin for Racine's Horlick Field. Playing the 1943 AAGPBL has been fun for me since not much baseball news has been going on since the lockout.

Asrivkin's link to those Racine yearbooks is also a jewel for anyone interested in the AAGPBL. I noticed that it lists heights and weights of the Racine players and those are not easy to find for most of the AAGPBL players. It also has fielding statistics which are not readily found in simple searches.

kcstengelsr · 12-30-2021, 02:35 PM

Assigning Horlick Field to Racine and Kenosha while using asrivkin's Beyer Stadium for Rockford and South Bend, one can imagine full replays of the 1943 AAGPBL. I have done dozens using my individual player and league ratings and typically Racine does finish with the best record with South Bend, Kenosha, and Rockford following in that order. However, sometimes I have seen South Bend win the playoffs and in fact all four of the teams have made my playoffs at least once in a couple of dozen replays.

Using both of asrivkin's AAGPBL ballparks, I have a YouTube video of one of the games from one of my season's Championship Series. It features the Racine Belles going to asrivkin's Beyer Stadium in Rockford to play the South Bend Blue Sox.
The YouTube link which includes a clear description of my whole process for this Game Four of this Championship Series is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpHt...el=kcstengelsr
The other games of this Championship Series with the first two featuring asrivkin's Horlick Field in Racine can be found on Twitch by going to Twitch and searching kcstengelsr. However, my Twitch OOTP22 games only remain for fourteen days unlike the unlimited time for YouTube and so if you are interested you must check these out during this limited time from this posting. I must admit that all of my Twitch 1943 AAGPBL Series games ended up being nail-biters.

I would be willing to share my 1943 AAGPBL .lg and photos and other files with the OOTP community if I can get Mediafire working. None of this would have been possible without asrivkin's AAGPBL parks.

kcstengelsr · 12-30-2021, 04:32 PM

Want to try my version of the 1943 AAGPBL by downloading some of my Mediafire files, unzipping them, and placing them into OOTP22?

First, you need the .lg file. This will have the league set up with the settings and ratings I use. It also should have the four AAGPBL 1943 teams in uniforms made by Txranger. After unzipping, copy the folder and place this (Windows users) in documents/out of the park developments/saved games. I think this should work for those wanting to play the 1943 AAGPBL season if you in game then search and load a saved game, but others might know more about that as I am kind of new to this.
The .lg file: https://www.mediafire.com/file/wl783..._43lg.zip/file

Second, how about hearing sounds appropriate for the 1943, so no jet airplanes and other stuff more likely heard in modern baseball? How about a complete sounds file to place in Beyer Stadium and Horlick Field? It has eight different piano stretches from the early 1940's which will play at random along with all other era sounds like proper rallies and ambients. You might for example hear some choo choo train or trolley car. It is the largest of the three Mediafire folders and to use it, open and copy/paste the contents to Beyer and Horlick. (You could if you wish also use these sounds at major league parks set in the early 1940s, imagining that they have yet to employ a stadium organist.)
The sounds: https://www.mediafire.com/file/smvlf...ounds.zip/file

Third, I made color tinted photos of the 1943 AAGPBL players. To use, open the folder and copy and paste the contents into the game's photos folder.
The photos: https://www.mediafire.com/file/foobk...hotos.zip/file

Be sure to download asrivkin's Beyer Stadium and Horlick Field for best results. My .lg folder is set up with you unemployed, so become manager of one of the four teams, try your own strategy, and good luck. (Hint: for the most challenge, try being the manager of Rockford or Kenosha.)

Footnote: Since my 1943 AAGPBL sim seasons are based upon the actual 1943 statistics and since I do not know the proper 1943 park factors of Beyer and Horlick, I edit to set them both at 1.000 values for all factors.

12-05-2021, 01:48 PM	#103
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Beyer Stadium, Rockford Hi all, After a bit of a pause driven by various work and life things, I'm happy to point to Beyer Stadium, home of the AAGPBL Rockford Peaches. Beyer Stadium Google Drive link As usual, this one has a few anachronisms, though perhaps for different reasons than usual--the AAGPBL was constantly tinkering with various rules including the distances between bases and between the pitcher's mound and home plate. This model of course has the MLB/MiLB standard distances. I don't see that Beyer Stadium had any fences but i put in a chain-link fence if only for convenience. I couldn't find any dimensions so just put something in that seemed reasonable for CF and the lines and worked from there. I ran an exhibition game and things seemed to work OK. As usual, let me know if something doesn't work, though as recently demonstrated that doesn't mean I can fix it. I expect to stay at a slower pace over the next several weeks, but next in my queue are Ruppert Stadium in Newark, the Racine AAGPBL park, and another 1915-1920 era park (maybe New Haven or Providence). Attached Images

12-05-2021, 06:11 PM	#105
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	I will do a test of Beyer Stadium but it will be a while since I want to use the correct 1943 Rockford Peaches roster. I can even find some limited stats, so hopefully I can construct the 1943 AAGPBL teams. Of course we can't get the skirts for the proper uniforms. Has anyone done uniforms (at least uniform colors and logos) for the women's league? If not, I will improvise some kind of apparel. If I wanted to test Beyer in a hurry I suppose I could use teams from the early 1940s Class D Wisconsin State League men's minors but they had a few sluggers in the league which might wreck the way the women's league ballpark worked. Using actual stats for the 1943 women's team should help solve many problems with the park size such as homerun numbers. As far as the rules are concerned, the league changed over time. It began in 1943 using a larger ball pitched underhanded from 40 feet with bases at 60 feet, but the final year of the women's league in 1954 used a regulation ball pitched overhead from 60 feet with bases at 85 feet. I understand the limits the game places on park creation so one will just have to imagine. I will try to post on Twitch an AAGPBL game with correct rosters at Beyer on Twitch when I am ready. Hopefully, before Christmas. Last edited by kcstengelsr; 12-05-2021 at 06:15 PM.

12-05-2021, 06:43 PM	#106
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Yep, this is a hitter's park according to the online widget--it's 300 to LF, 293 to RF and 350 to CF, home runs are inflated something like 40-50%. But obviously, folks should tinker with park factors etc. depending on their particular use case. I'll also add one more screenshot showing the ticket booth and stairs way out in the left field corner, since I did make it and might as well get credit for it even if it never ever gets shown in-game. Attached Images

12-06-2021, 09:09 AM	#107
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12-09-2021, 02:58 PM	#112
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	I wanted my test of Beyer to do justice to the AAGPBL and so I spent many hours of preparation prior to the YouTube video link found below of my game at Beyer. It really is a fantastic addition to the ballparks found at the OOTP Mods. I wanted to set up a game between Racine and Rockford set in the inaugural AAGPBL season of 1943. Txranger was kind enough to provide a link to his AAGPBL jerseys, caps, and logos and so I decided to go the whole nine yards and set up the four teams in that 1943 season based upon real player names and real player stats. I first created a four team fantasy league in commissioner mode and had the league based around the statistics of 1908 MLB which looked about right to me comparing things like league ERA and homeruns of 1908 MLB and 1943 AAGPBL. In other words, expect the play and strategy of the ladies this season to be similar to the deadball era. The 1943 AAGPBL rules appeared to be mixture of fast pitch softball and baseball. Baseball additions were nine players instead of ten, runners allowed to lead off from bases, and the allowed use of baseball bats. Softball holdovers in 1943 included a larger ball pitched underhanded from 40 feet with the bases 60 feet apart. The 1943 AAGPBL had all four teams playing 108 regular season games. Racine finished with 59 regular season wins and defeated Kenosha three games to none in the playoffs. Rockford's 48 wins was last in the league. The top hitter in the league that year for batting average was Gladys Davis of the Peaches at .332 while the top home run hitter was Eleanor Dapkus Wolf of the Belles with 10. Starting with the fictional players and ratings I manually created the proper player names and based their player ratings on actual 1943 AAGPBL statistics but all fielders except for noted stars at their position were given average ratings since I could not easily find fielding statistics for that year. If date of birth was not found I made those players 25 years old with a birthday of October 5, 1917. Except for the rare cases like Racine's Kurys, almost all heights and weights of the AAGPBL players are not available and so I arbitrarily set the unknown at the 1940 women's adult average height at 5 foot 2 and 1940 women's adult average weight at 134. All pitchers throw right-handed and all batters hit right-handed if that fact is not known. Here is the Youtube video of my Belles facing the Peaches at asrivkin's Beyer Stadium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51iQ...el=kcstengelsr I describe it there as: "Jerseys, caps, and logos by txranger. Sounds by kcstengelsr. Manual changes from fictional players to get correct player names and all players have manually adjusted ratings based upon real 1943 AAGPBL stats. Note: the game does not have female player models and skirts were not possible. play-by-play refers by default to he/him/his instead of she/her/hers. the game has pitching and base distances by default at major league standard and so 1943 AAGPBL distances were not possible." It took me a lot of time and effort to eventually produce this video but Beyer Stadium by asrivkin was worth it. I next plan of completing the rosters and ratings of Kenosha and South Bend and I may do another video featuring the other two teams of the 1943 AAGPBL. Last edited by kcstengelsr; 12-13-2021 at 06:11 AM.

11-12-2021, 04:05 PM	#101
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Are you on a Mac (like I am) or a PC? Not that it should matter, I'd think, but maybe there's a weird character in one of the files that makes PCs unhappy?

12-10-2021, 10:10 PM	#113
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	As hoped, I did finish the rosters and ratings of Kenosha and South Bend and so I have completed all four of the 1943 AAGPBL teams. Kenosha had 56 regular season wins and went on to lose to Racine in the playoffs. South Bend had 58 wins but did not make the playoffs as it was set for first half versus second half teams. It took some time to finalize my fifteen in number active women's rosters of the four teams (with about four on each team being pitchers) as some players that year moved around as the league wanted balance. I decided to also use balance to properly place those who had been on more than one team. I do have South Bend hosting Kenosha on Youtube while using Rockford's Beyer Stadium by asrivkin. The game features two of the best AAGBPL 1943 pitching aces, those two being Margaret Berger of South Bend and Helen Nichol Fox of Kenosha. The Youtube link is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdUF...el=kcstengelsr I personally learned quite a bit of things I did not know about the AAGPBL while doing this project so it was worth the time and effort. Here are just two: 1. You baseball historians probably are aware of the fact that fifteen year old Joe Nuxhall pitched for the Cincinnati Reds during the ballplayer shortage in 1944, but the 1943 AAGPBL had a surprising number of players under the age of eighteen with the youngest of all being South Bend's Dorothy Schroeder who had only turned fifteen less than two months before the opening of the season. Schroeder was a slick-fielding, light-hitting shortstop who was later in her career with an improved bat skill described by Chicago Cubs manager Charlie Grimm as worth $50K per year, "if she were a boy." Dorothy is also the sole and only one of these women who played through the complete 1943-1954 AAGPBL era. She also happens to be one of the rare AAGPBL players with known height and weight at 5 foot 8 inches and 150 pounds. The movie "A League of Their Own" does not hint that a good number of 1943 AAGPBL players were teenagers. South Bend manager Bert Niehoff actually had a previous experience before the AAGPBL playing a woman while he managed a game. As skipper of minor league Chattanooga facing the New York Yankees in an 1931 exhibition he called for a relief pitcher and brought in seventeen year old lefty woman Virne Mitchell to face Babe Ruth. Ruth hammed it up with two wild swings and then was struck out looking. Gehrig followed and fanned swinging. Lazzeri tried a bunt and then Niehoff gave Mitchell the rest of the game off. A few days later Baseball Commissioner Landis voided Virne's contract, ending her career. The judge said that baseball for women was "too strenuous." Actually baseball did not formally ban women until 1952. Former major league second baseman and long time minor league manager Bert Niehoff had dealt with women before. For now I have all four of the 1943 AAGPBL team I created using Beyer Stadium as their home grounds. When asrivkin completes the ballpark for Racine I think I will use the Racine park for the Belles and Kenosha and Beyer Stadium for the Peaches and South Bend. Good work, asrivkin! Last edited by kcstengelsr; 12-13-2021 at 05:30 PM.

12-19-2021, 02:40 PM	#114
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12-19-2021, 11:35 PM	#115
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Ruppert Stadium, Newark Well, I thought I'd go at a slower pace, but apparently I'm not. So here's Ruppert Stadium in Newark. It was home to the Newark Bears of the International League and the Newark Eagles of the Negro National League. There's a SABR article about it, if you're interested. A veritable who's who of baseball in the 1920s-1940s played here at some point, including an aging Babe Ruth in an exhibition game in the twilight of his career. As someone who grew up in the NYC suburbs, I couldn't resist representing some of the brands my grandparents liked on the outfield walls. The factory next door to the 3rd-base side isn't quite in the right place, but it at least adds some visual interest. I couldn't find any views out to the 1st-base side, but it looks on the maps like there was a chemical plant over there, so that's what I grabbed from 3D Warehouse. Thanks to KCStengelSr, who served (yet again!) as playtester and fence tweaker! Let me know if you're having any problems and I'll see what I can do! As far as what's on deck, Horlick Field, home of the AAGPBL's Racine Belles, is pretty close to done. Google Drive link to Ruppert Stadium Attached Images

12-20-2021, 08:43 PM	#116
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	Thank you so much for Ruppert Stadium in Newark. The park is important for both the history of the minor leagues and for the history of the Negro Leagues. Publishing Ruppert Stadium has also achieved a milestone in the history of OOTP 3D Mods as for the first time ever one wishing to play a season of the major league Negro Leagues (1920-1948) now has available a published 3D Mods home ballpark for each of the teams in at least one season during the history of the Negro Leagues. If one wanted to play the 1920 Negro Leagues season one would have a tough time placing teams in proper parks as only Schorling (South Side Park) in Chicago by silvam14, Washington Park in Indianapolis by asrivkin, and Inlet Park in Atlantic City by asrivkin have yet to be published at 3D Mods. It looks like the 1930 Negro Leagues season has five published parks available and the 1940 Negro Leagues season is missing any home park for two teams, but with Ruppert one now can give each of the 1946 Negro Leagues teams a home. Having Ruppert now allows one to assign a home ballpark to each of the teams for actually THREE campaigns of the Negro Leagues (1945-1947). For example, if one wanted to play the historically important 1946 Negro Leagues (read asrivkin's link to the SABR article on Ruppert) one could assign teams to parks as follows using the records listed of the Negro Leagues at Seamheads: 1946 Negro National League 1. Newark Eagles. Ruppert Stadium by asrivkin. 2. New York Cubans. Polo Grounds 1940-63 by silvam14. The Cubans also used that season Yankee Stadium 1938-51 by silvam14 and Dexter Park in Queens which is yet to be created by anyone as far as I know. 3. Baltimore Elite Giants. Bugle Field by asrivkin. 4. Homestead Grays. Griffith Stadium 1921-51 by silvam14. The Grays also used that season Forbes Field 1925-46 by silvam14. 5. Philadelphia Stars. Shibe Park 1930-48 by silvam14. The Stars also used that season 44th & Parkside (also known as Penmar Park) in Philadelphia, but Penmar is yet to be created. 6. New York Black Yankees. Yankee Stadium 1938-51 by silvam14. The Black Yankees also used that season Polo Grounds and Dexter Park. 1946 Negro American League 1. Kansas City Monarchs. Blues Stadium 1942-54 by silvam14. 2. Birmingham Black Barons. Rickwood Field by silvam14. 3. Cleveland Buckeyes. League Park 1930-46 by silvam14. The Buckeyes that season also used Cleveland Stadium 1932-53 by silvam14. 4. Cincinnati-Indianapolis Clowns. Crosley Field 1942-57 by silvam14. The Clowns that season also used Victory Field (also known as Perry Stadium or Bush Stadium) in Indianapolis but Perry is yet to be created, 5. Memphis Red Sox. Russwood Park by asrivkin. 6. Chicago American Giants. Comiskey Park 1927-48 by silvam14. Maybe someday creators will build on this set of complete Negro Leagues home parks but it probably would be easiest to start from the 1946 above list and gradually add parks missing for some years. For examples, A. To give each of the 1948 Negro Leagues teams a home park (the last year credited as major league quality) the missing are Martin Stadium in Memphis (historically significant as then the only stadium owned by African Americans in the whole country) and Perry in Indianapolis, but Redwing Stadium in Rochester would also be handy as the Black Yankees played the bulk of their 1948 home games in Rochester. B. To give each of the 1944 Negro Leagues teams a home park the missing are Martin in Memphis and Penmar in Philadelphia. I want to thank asrivkin and silvam14 for providing the parks necessary for one to play at least one Negro Leagues season using OOTP. In 1946 the Newark Eagles defeated the Kansas City Monarchs in seven games for the NL World Series. I used Ruppert and along with the correct 1946 rosters from Seamheads I played a game at Ruppert and published it at YouTube for all to see. The link is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwbx...el=kcstengelsr Thank you asrivkin! Last edited by kcstengelsr; 12-21-2021 at 09:15 AM.

12-28-2021, 02:36 PM	#117
asrivkin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 294	Horlick Field, Racine Happy Holidays, all! I've been spending some time finishing up my actual OOTP project (the Phillies surprised the Red Sox in the 1917 World Series, taking it in 5 games) but did manage to finish another park: Racine's Horlick Field, home to the AAGPBL's Racine Belles! According to Green Cathedrals, it also was the home field for the Chicago American Giants for a small number of games in 1945 and 1950. Google Drive Link to Horlick Field This was a fun one! A few good pictures from reasonable angles and a relatively restricted period of time. I also found a bunch of material including a run of Racine Belles yearbooks at the Wisconsin Historical Society. No pictures of the field, but fun to look through. Even with that, there are still a few caveats. It took me a bit of extra care to get the field sized correctly (a perennial problem for me)--in this case the AAGPBL baseline distances tripped me up since I typically take it for granted that if I see the bases in a photo they'll be 90' apart. The ballpark dimensions in Green Cathedrals suggest to me that they _didn't_ take that into account. I also stuck in a scoreboard modeled after what Kenosha had, though I couldn't find any pictures with a clear view of the outfield. I used the park factors that OOTP gave me for a field of this size in Milwaukee, but you'll probably want to put in some different park factors depending on what you're using this for. As usual, please let me know of any problems and I'll try to tackle them! Attached Images

12-29-2021, 09:07 AM	#118
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	I have a game using Horlick up on YouTube with the park factors for Horlick all set at 1.000 and capacity set at 5000. The link for the game between the Racine Belles and Kenosha Comets set in the 1943 AAGPBL is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edir...el=kcstengelsr My game has lots of different things since I basically created the 1943 AAGPBL from scratch using the available actual statistics. I play-tested dozens of full 1943 seasons to get historical results which required tweaking the league settings for things like hits, extra base hits, strikeouts, walks, and steals. I added tinted photos of the actual 1943 AAGPBL players. I added custom sounds like the piano playing a tune from 1943 for the stretch, and I added some custom camera angles to Horlick. I hope people enjoy watching this game as I think my AAGPBL project now results in season-long statistics very close to the actual results. For example, do expect many stolen base attempts as that was very common in the 1943 AAGPBL. Notes: 1. Some of you may be able to set your text reader to a female voice. I wanted to do so for this AAGPBL game and I was able to set my text reader/narrator to female for most purposes but for the OOTP game it always reverts to Mick David (Microsoft David). Some of you might have better luck getting a female voice. 2. The game text by default refers to he, him, his, and he's instead of she, her, hers, and she's. I suspect to get female reference that the OOTP Development Team would have to make some small tweaks to OOTP/data/text/english and then make the new file something like english_female. Thank you asrivkin for Racine's Horlick Field. Playing the 1943 AAGPBL has been fun for me since not much baseball news has been going on since the lockout. Asrivkin's link to those Racine yearbooks is also a jewel for anyone interested in the AAGPBL. I noticed that it lists heights and weights of the Racine players and those are not easy to find for most of the AAGPBL players. It also has fielding statistics which are not readily found in simple searches. Last edited by kcstengelsr; 12-29-2021 at 09:28 AM.

12-30-2021, 02:35 PM	#119
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	Assigning Horlick Field to Racine and Kenosha while using asrivkin's Beyer Stadium for Rockford and South Bend, one can imagine full replays of the 1943 AAGPBL. I have done dozens using my individual player and league ratings and typically Racine does finish with the best record with South Bend, Kenosha, and Rockford following in that order. However, sometimes I have seen South Bend win the playoffs and in fact all four of the teams have made my playoffs at least once in a couple of dozen replays. Using both of asrivkin's AAGPBL ballparks, I have a YouTube video of one of the games from one of my season's Championship Series. It features the Racine Belles going to asrivkin's Beyer Stadium in Rockford to play the South Bend Blue Sox. The YouTube link which includes a clear description of my whole process for this Game Four of this Championship Series is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpHt...el=kcstengelsr The other games of this Championship Series with the first two featuring asrivkin's Horlick Field in Racine can be found on Twitch by going to Twitch and searching kcstengelsr. However, my Twitch OOTP22 games only remain for fourteen days unlike the unlimited time for YouTube and so if you are interested you must check these out during this limited time from this posting. I must admit that all of my Twitch 1943 AAGPBL Series games ended up being nail-biters. I would be willing to share my 1943 AAGPBL .lg and photos and other files with the OOTP community if I can get Mediafire working. None of this would have been possible without asrivkin's AAGPBL parks. Last edited by kcstengelsr; 12-30-2021 at 02:55 PM.

12-30-2021, 04:32 PM	#120
kcstengelsr Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 147	Want to try my version of the 1943 AAGPBL by downloading some of my Mediafire files, unzipping them, and placing them into OOTP22? First, you need the .lg file. This will have the league set up with the settings and ratings I use. It also should have the four AAGPBL 1943 teams in uniforms made by Txranger. After unzipping, copy the folder and place this (Windows users) in documents/out of the park developments/saved games. I think this should work for those wanting to play the 1943 AAGPBL season if you in game then search and load a saved game, but others might know more about that as I am kind of new to this. The .lg file: https://www.mediafire.com/file/wl783..._43lg.zip/file Second, how about hearing sounds appropriate for the 1943, so no jet airplanes and other stuff more likely heard in modern baseball? How about a complete sounds file to place in Beyer Stadium and Horlick Field? It has eight different piano stretches from the early 1940's which will play at random along with all other era sounds like proper rallies and ambients. You might for example hear some choo choo train or trolley car. It is the largest of the three Mediafire folders and to use it, open and copy/paste the contents to Beyer and Horlick. (You could if you wish also use these sounds at major league parks set in the early 1940s, imagining that they have yet to employ a stadium organist.) The sounds: https://www.mediafire.com/file/smvlf...ounds.zip/file Third, I made color tinted photos of the 1943 AAGPBL players. To use, open the folder and copy and paste the contents into the game's photos folder. The photos: https://www.mediafire.com/file/foobk...hotos.zip/file Be sure to download asrivkin's Beyer Stadium and Horlick Field for best results. My .lg folder is set up with you unemployed, so become manager of one of the four teams, try your own strategy, and good luck. (Hint: for the most challenge, try being the manager of Rockford or Kenosha.) Footnote: Since my 1943 AAGPBL sim seasons are based upon the actual 1943 statistics and since I do not know the proper 1943 park factors of Beyer and Horlick, I edit to set them both at 1.000 values for all factors. Last edited by kcstengelsr; 12-30-2021 at 05:26 PM.