2021 Euro 2020

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

The game wouldn't go on that long, 200 minutes would be an extreme it's like me saying they could take 200 penalties. The longest penalty shoot out is 48, could you imagine sitting through 48 penalties.

Okay, I added it up to 180 in my head, but what you posted earlier would be more like 160. Still, by 8v8 I think you'd see dead men walking.

At least those with only one leg cramping up yet.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by Westheim

Okay, I added it up to 180 in my head, but what you posted earlier would be more like 160. Still, by 8v8 I think you'd see dead men walking.

At least those with only one leg cramping up yet.

That's why I added a sub, I still don't know why they got rid of the golden goal. Also unless my memory is letting me down they used to have a NHL style penalty shoot out, I think that was stateside side though in the New York Cosmos days though.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

That's why I added a sub, I still don't know why they got rid of the golden goal. Also unless my memory is letting me down they used to have a NHL style penalty shoot out, I think that was stateside side though in the New York Cosmos days though.

I think they believed it would lead to more penalty shootouts since teams would be defensive minded throughout the entire extra time instead of the last 10 minutes. But I forget the actual results.

How many penalty shootouts did the golden goal prevent? How often do we see one team score, then the other team tie in extra time?

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by thehef

Taking multiple comments/replies into account, what would be wrong with going straight to Golden Goal (no current double-15 minute OT period) with a significant reduction in the number of players? Going to just 10 or even 9 probably doesn't approach the realm of a guaranteeing of a goal being scored in, say 15-20 minutes, but maybe 7-on-7 would?

If you have, say, 7-on-7 sudden death beginning after regulation, doesn't this accomplish three things?

1) Actually deciding the game by playing soccer, albeit slightly modified
2) Addressing concerns about the the game going on and on and on...
3) Addressing concerns about ultra-fatigued players cramping up, etc. (it doesn't eliminate those concerns, but it wouldn't be any more playing time than the current system, and it would be much less than going 10-on-10, then 9-on-9, then 8-on-8, and so forth.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't want to see a 7 on 7. I'd rather it go to penalty shots over watching what looks like a kids pick up game.

10 on 10 is probably the best idea I've heard. It won't do wonders, but it will help a bit.

[Boomcoach]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I think they believed it would lead to more penalty shootouts since teams would be defensive minded throughout the entire extra time instead of the last 10 minutes. But I forget the actual results.

How many penalty shootouts did the golden goal prevent? How often do we see one team score, then the other team tie in extra time?

I seem to remember at least on Germany-France WC game with both teams scoring in extras. 2014 US-Belgium, it wouldn't have changed outcome, but would have ended 1-0 Belgium instead of 2-1. that is just off the top of my head.

I like the Golden Goal, but I think it would more often just shorten added time, not avoid pens.

[Boomcoach]

I have a number of issues with how Southgate handled the game on Sunday, but he is catching a lot of crap over his comment that he had selected the order before the game. I am hearing a lot of commentary that this is the wrong way to do it, that you have to look at the players who seem ready for the moment, etc..

While it may be true, I think it is just as likely that Southgate is taking the blame on himself rather than do a "so and so didn't step up" or other issues that may have influenced the takers or the order. Clearly the 2 120 minute subs were there to take pens, but otherwise I am not going to simply take Southgate's words at face value. Part of a coach's job, IMO, is taking that sort of blame rather than throwing players under the bus.

[ukhotstove]

It's taken long enough, anybody throwing racial abuse at players will be banned from football in England. This should have been brought in ages back.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

It's taken long enough, anybody throwing racial abuse at players will be banned from football in England. This should have been brought in ages back.

Will they also ban everybody breaking down barriers to gain entry without paying, or ban the punks that mugged by favorite F1 driver?

[ukhotstove]

Problem I have with penalties is, there isn't much skill. Anyone of us could score a penalty against an international goalkeeper, take the final for instance. Can't remember the Italian players but one placed it to the left about a foot high, 2 feet inside the post (roughly) he scored. I think it was the next Italian did exactly the same but to the right, the goalkeeper saved it, he guessed right just pure luck.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by Westheim

Will they also ban everybody breaking down barriers to gain entry without paying, or ban the punks that mugged by favorite F1 driver?

They already stated they'd ban any that were caught breaking in, as for the F1 driver I doubt it, for 1 doesn't mean it was English fans odds yes but not 100% however we're do you stop? Person wearing a Bayern top urinated in public do you ban him from football? I know your answer would be yes and a year in prison lol but how far do you go.

[Westheim]

I would probably draw the line in a place were breaking into the stadium, beating up (way undermanned) security personnel, and blunt robbery are all prosecuted and convicted to the degree your laws allow for, and if I happen to find the urinating guy, I am sure the City of London will happily slap a fine on him as well.

[ukhotstove]

Hope all is good with you Westheim with the floods.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Problem I have with penalties is, there isn't much skill. Anyone of us could score a penalty against an international goalkeeper

Okay I know your prone to a bit of hyperbole. But this is complete and utter horse ****. Anyone here unless they played football at say a university level could not score a penalty against a professional keeper much less one of international quality.
We would score a few by sheer luck. But maybe 2 out of 100

Your underestimating how hard it is to strike a football hard enough to get by a keeper even at 12 yards (11 meters)

[rudel.dietrich]

And while I don’t really care for PKs
As of yet, I have not heard of a good enough solution to replace them

Golden goal is okay, but what if neither team can score? How long do you let them play before they ruin themselves for the next game or worse yet injure themselves?
Replay is an idea but does not work for international play where they play on a schedule.

I have yet to see a system thar replaces PKs that protects players health while also providing a fair end to the match

I love overtime hockey and wish even regular season games all went to OT besides the weird system they have in place. But in the NHL, scoring is down and goaltenders are better than ever.
You could have many long drawn out games that drain players and increase injuries.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Okay I know your prone to a bit of hyperbole. But this is complete and utter horse ****. Anyone here unless they played football at say a university level could not score a penalty against a professional keeper much less one of international quality.
We would score a few by sheer luck. But maybe 2 out of 100

Your underestimating how hard it is to strike a football hard enough to get by a keeper even at 12 yards (11 meters)

Although I agree with you, you're also exaggerating a bit too. Any young, strong legged athlete, even if they never played soccer a day in their lives would get more than 2 out of 100 just by sheer chance. But yeah, 36 feet away looks close on TV. But you do need to get some pace behind that ball to get it past the goalie.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Okay I know your prone to a bit of hyperbole. But this is complete and utter horse ****. Anyone here unless they played football at say a university level could not score a penalty against a professional keeper much less one of international quality.
We would score a few by sheer luck. But maybe 2 out of 100

Your underestimating how hard it is to strike a football hard enough to get by a keeper even at 12 yards (11 meters)

Did I state "a few" No! I stated anyone of us could score a penalty and plain and simple it's true. Your a dick Rudel always have been, as others have messaged me it seems part of your sad life is to get me angry not going to work but you keep trying.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Hope all is good with you Westheim with the floods.

No concerns for me there, I'm far away from any body of water that could take this house down. If nature wants to get me, it needs to topple that big old oak tree outside onto it.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by Westheim

No concerns for me there, I'm far away from any body of water that could take this house down. If nature wants to get me, it needs to topple that big old oak tree outside onto it.

Good to hear.

[Hageneezz]

Originally Posted by Westheim

No concerns for me there, I'm far away from any body of water that could take this house down. If nature wants to get me, it needs to topple that big old oak tree outside onto it.

Which bundesland do you live? We've had floodings in the south too, and the Meuse is still rising

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[Hageneezz]

No extra time or penalties, the team who has won most corners will automatically win

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