2008/2009 NFL Discussion Thread

[Bobbuttons]

Thanks to the turnovers, Tennessee deserved to lose tonight's game. But, to the credit of their defense, they were still in the game. Then the officials decided the game. How in the hell does the play clock sit at 0 for a second and a half without a flag? What the hell use is the back judge if he can't make this call?

I hate to see Tennessee's defense get punished because of that call. They were playing a great game, especially considering their offense kept turning it over. I hate the Ravens with the fire of a thousand suns.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

Then the officials decided the game.

Nonsense. Tennessee had plenty of chances to win, they just didn't capitalize on them.

[jazzrack]

penalties & turnovers cost Tennessee the game. period.

Arizona is kicking the crap out of Carolina

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Tennessee had plenty of chances to win, they just didn't capitalize on them.

Nonsense.

[Cooleyvol]

Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

Thanks to the turnovers, Tennessee deserved to lose tonight's game. But, to the credit of their defense, they were still in the game. Then the officials decided the game. How in the hell does the play clock sit at 0 for a second and a half without a flag? What the hell use is the back judge if he can't make this call?

I hate to see Tennessee's defense get punished because of that call. They were playing a great game, especially considering their offense kept turning it over. I hate the Ravens with the fire of a thousand suns.

You must've watched a different game than I did.

[Hurkman]

The Titans lost that game because of red zone turnovers. Had they not had so many problems, they would have won. Now, the Arizona Cardinals are in the NFC Championship. If anyone ever questionned my sim version of the playoffs, you can stop now, because even I never saw this coming.

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

You must've watched a different game than I did.

Care to dispute any of the following paragraph?

Tennessee had their chances offensively, and dominated the game...but they turned the ball over after long drives, negating a chance at points. That was their fault, no question. But they were the masters of their own destiny, despite those turnovers, because of their defense, which completely controlled Baltimore's offense until the last 3 minutes of the game. Thanks to their defense, they were still in a position to kick the tying field goal midway through the final quarter. Should they have been well ahead by that point? Certainly. However, that's only half of the game story. Despite their offensive miscues, they tied the game and had fought to make it 3rd and 2 with under 4 minutes left. It was a big play a) for the Baltimore offense, as they tried to take it down for a go ahead score, and b) for Tennessee, to hold them and get the ball back to try and score themselves. All of those things the Titans had control over. They committed mistakes, but the made up for it defensively and still could win the game. The were penalized by something they could not control. A play that should not have stood was allowed. This isn't a judgment call. It's not subjective. A team has a certain amount of time to get a play off and if they do not they get penalized. The referees, by not doing their job, allowed Baltimore to cheat by giving them an extra second and a half to get the play off.

All the above is fact and not subjective. I give you that if the offense hadn't turn the ball over so many times, they don't have to worry about that kind of non-call late in the game. But you take the hand that you're dealt, or that you have dealt yourself, and you play through it. Had the flag rightly been thrown, it would have been 3rd and 7, a big difference from 3rd and 2. Tennessee most of the game on passing downs had only rushed 3 or 4 and put everyone else back in coverage and it worked very well. Not to mention, basic NFL stats show that a defense is much more likely to stop a team on 3rd and 7 than 3rd and 2. Two very different defensive philosophies for those situations. That's what the non-call meant. I believe that the non-call cost the Titans a good chance at getting the ball back and scoring either a TD or field goal (or turning it over a 4th time...).

It's also worth noting that their were a number of delay of game penalties called in the Arizona/Carolina game, and all of them were called right away when the clock hit zero.

[bababui]

McNabb is an idiot.

[Cooleyvol]

BB, the missed call is irrelevant if the T's don't fumble at the one. That's also fact and nonsubjective.

But to comment on all your points is pointless for me as I couldn't care less about either of these teams.

[Erik W.]

Offensive play calling has taken on a double meaning for the Giants. Just terrible.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by bababui

McNabb is an idiot.

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His head doesnt seem to be in this season.

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

BB, the missed call is irrelevant if the T's don't fumble at the one. That's also fact and nonsubjective.

But to comment on all your points is pointless for me as I couldn't care less about either of these teams.

As I said, I agree that if it weren't for the turnovers, the call doesn't matter. But they can control the turnovers and how they react to them. They can't control the referees blowing a big call. I could let it slide if it was a judgment call, like a hold or interference. But delay of game is not a judgment call.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

Nonsense.

You're going to have to prove how that one play cost Tennessee the game. Considering that Baltimore still had a play after that which gained eight yards which put them into viable field goal range (where's the blame on the Tennessee defence for not preventing this play?), and then still had to successfully kick the 43-yard field goal (which could have easily missed), you have a ways to go to make your case.

Even if the play in question had been called correctly, Baltimore would have been backed up five yards and the down repeated. How exactly are you certain that the Ravens would not have made a first down in that instance anyway? Sure, their chances would be lowered somewhat, but that does not mean it was impossible nor even improbable.

The only way you can say the time clock screw up cost Tennessee the game was if it was on the field goal try itself that the mistake happened. And that still ignores the fact that Tennessee got the ball back and had time left to try and get downfield to attempt a game-tying field goal.

[mgom27]

It's going to be Steelers and Eagles in the Super Bowl so then ESPN would want to do the 6pm and 11pm Sportscenters Live from Tampa Bay and also at Halftime to.
Maybe Ken W. against his old Team the Steelers or a Rookie Coach and Quaterback in the Super Bowl.

[bababui]

It does look like another AFC Super Bowl victory no matter who wins next sunday.

[jazzrack]

well since the Panthers blew half my pick, i'm going with Cardinals v Ravens. If the cards play d anywhere close to how they played sat. then the eagles don't stand a chance, i guess we just have to find out which cardinals are the real ones.

but it does look good for the AFC, but then thats what everybody said last year.

[Skipaway]

I think NFC is showing why we need to get rid of the playoffs and install something like BCS in NFL.

[marc]

Originally Posted by bababui

It does look like another AFC Super Bowl victory no matter who wins next sunday.

Yeah, because it's not like the Eagles defense completely dismantled the Steelers offense earlier this season or anything like that. They sure didn't beat them soundly without their best player for over 75% of the game. That definitely didn't happen.

[marc]

Originally Posted by bababui

His head doesnt seem to be in this season.

It's scary to think how he would have done this season if his head was in the game. As it stands, he only threw for a career high 3,916 yards.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by marc

It's scary to think how he would have done this season if his head was in the game. As it stands, he only threw for a career high 3,916 yards.

Ever heard of lies, damn lies and stats? He cost his team 2 points and a completely moronic 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty. He has been playing football all his life and seemingly doesnt know the OT rules. A real HoF like performance this season.