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[risp2out]

Should this be happening? I manage AAA Portland in the PCL. The St. Louis Browns purchased the contract of my best reliever, and then put him in their BC-level franchise. Is this realistic? Were there rules requiring major league teams to keep players they purchased on their big league team? Just curious. It doesn't feel right.

[Spritze]

There was no players union back in the day so the powers that were could do anything they wanted at any time.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Also the fielding stats (both neutralized and real) still have the Innings Played Outs versus Innings Played issues that they had before, namely, every player's fielding stats have exactly one third of the innings they actually played at all the positions they played. Multiplying by three on all of the Innings Played Outs for all players should fix that one. I suspect this wouldn't affect ratings if one was to play a straight up 2015 historical, but in a random debut historical, things could get weird.

Thou art correct, these innings are not used for anything because the majority are fake. Cosmetic issue only but fixed.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

A couple of issues remain though. Pitchers are still beginning the year with the wrong teams due to their Neutralized Stats being recorded as being with a team other than the one they played for. For example, Shaun Marcum imports as a Blue Jay and he hasn't been here since 2010 because he has stats for Toronto and Cleveland in his real life neutralized stats. Kendall Graveman also begins 2015 as a Blue Jay, and Daniel Norris starts as a Tiger for the same reason. There are many other examples and they can be fixed probably by sticking to teams these guys actually pitched for in 2015 in the order in which they pitched for them. I hope that makes sense.

Neutralized stats have nothing to do with the team a player is on. This is one I have no control over.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Spritze

Thou art correct, these innings are not used for anything because the majority are fake. Cosmetic issue only but fixed.

Thou art awesome.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Spritze

Neutralized stats have nothing to do with the team a player is on. This is one I have no control over.

But let's take the Marcum example for instance. He has stats entered for Toronto in 2015 in Neutralized Stats (obviously not in Real Stats because as noted, he hasn't pitched here since 2010) as you can see in the example I presented. Those stats are entered first in his neutralized stats, so that when it comes time to pick a team for him to start the year with, the game chooses Toronto. I would contend that if those stats were all named as stats he accrued with Cleveland that he would start the year where he belongs: in Cleveland.

Same thing, in a different way for Daniel Norris. He started the year with Toronto in 2015 IRL, but the stats are presented with his Detroit stats first (both real and neutered by the way) and therefore in OOTP, he imports to start the 2015 season with the Tigers. This would not affect a person playing the game unless they started a historical in 2015. If they did they would have to re-arrange everyone to get them on the teams they should be on. Maybe nobody will start a historical in 2015. It doesn't make much sense to because there's not much time left until you run out of historical.

I'm really happy to have the proper neutered stats. I just wish there was a way to have guys on the right teams. I know, can't have it all...But...

Thanks for your time.

[David Watts]

Not sure if this is a bug or how it's designed. I started a 1919 historical league with historical minors. Selected the option to have a amateur draft. I sim the past the draft and pull up the draft log. The draft was 74 rounds long. Teams now have 90-100+ players. Tons of these guys have the first name of Ballplayer. A few of the Ballplayer guys have real stats, but the majority do not. There are also non Ballplayer named blokes without real stats. Also it appears that most of these guys are the same guy ratings wise.

Now, if I disable the amateur draft and let guys go to their actual teams, I don't get any of the Ballplayer named guys.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

But let's take the Marcum example for instance. He has stats entered for Toronto in 2015 in Neutralized Stats (obviously not in Real Stats because as noted, he hasn't pitched here since 2010) as you can see in the example I presented. Those stats are entered first in his neutralized stats, so that when it comes time to pick a team for him to start the year with, the game chooses Toronto. I would contend that if those stats were all named as stats he accrued with Cleveland that he would start the year where he belongs: in Cleveland.

Same thing, in a different way for Daniel Norris. He started the year with Toronto in 2015 IRL, but the stats are presented with his Detroit stats first (both real and neutered by the way) and therefore in OOTP, he imports to start the 2015 season with the Tigers. This would not affect a person playing the game unless they started a historical in 2015. If they did they would have to re-arrange everyone to get them on the teams they should be on. Maybe nobody will start a historical in 2015. It doesn't make much sense to because there's not much time left until you run out of historical.

I'm really happy to have the proper neutered stats. I just wish there was a way to have guys on the right teams. I know, can't have it all...But...

Thanks for your time.

Are you saying he was not a MLB player in those years? If not his fake "gap" stats always use the last team he was on not the next.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Not sure if this is a bug or how it's designed. I started a 1919 historical league with historical minors. Selected the option to have a amateur draft. I sim the past the draft and pull up the draft log. The draft was 74 rounds long. Teams now have 90-100+ players. Tons of these guys have the first name of Ballplayer. A few of the Ballplayer guys have real stats, but the majority do not. There are also non Ballplayer named blokes without real stats. Also it appears that most of these guys are the same guy ratings wise.

Now, if I disable the amateur draft and let guys go to their actual teams, I don't get any of the Ballplayer named guys.

You will always get "Ballplayer"s (amateur draft or actual teams) as that just means first name unknown. He is still a real fella.
Your draft appears to be borked in some way though. There are only 614 players available in 1919. 39 rounds not 74.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Spritze

You will always get "Ballplayer"s (amateur draft or actual teams) as that just means first name unknown. He is still a real fella.
Your draft appears to be borked in some way though. There are only 614 players available in 1919. 39 rounds not 74.

Happened multiple times. Something I noticed is right after the season the game does the sort database deal. It then says importing minor league players. You sim further and as you get closer to the actual draft, the sort data base process happens again including the importing minor league players.

[David Watts]

I guess I should mention this as well. I had my draft set to be around 25 round. The game ignored my selection and ran 74 rounds.

[mgom27]

I have same problem and if I put Drafted round to 40 and try 200 people it reverts 94 people and for Historical Leagues we need exact number of people who were available that year to be Drafted.

[risp2out]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Happened multiple times. Something I noticed is right after the season the game does the sort database deal. It then says importing minor league players. You sim further and as you get closer to the actual draft, the sort data base process happens again including the importing minor league players.

Confirming D Watt's experience here. I had played around with a 1919 season with real minors right out of the box with the first beta version. Ran into these problems and deleted the league as I was just experimenting anyway.

This morning, I ran 1919 again with the newest build (4.36). As D Watt explains, the season seems to run fine. On the first day of the MLB offseason (10/17/19), the game loads minor's database. On that same day, around 70 free agents were added. Most had no history so I was unable to confirm whether they had been on major league reserve rosters or just what, but that seems most likely.

Sim forward to 12/1/19, draft pool announcement. 1220 players in the draft pool. [screenshot] Many (most???) of these players do not have real life stats. [screenshots, players in draft pool, note "real life stats" absent on Ackerman] It's a bit arbitrary, I know, but only 2 of the first 12 players (alphabetically) in the draft pool have real life stats. There is something amiss.

I hope this is helpful.

[risp2out]

And, to show that it is not only "Ballplayer X" players in the draft pool who generate without any real life stats, here's another screenshot. I assume this George Adair is this guy: George Adair Minor Leagues Statistics & History | Baseball-Reference.com
He played in the Western Assoc in 1920, his only bbref data entry. Since the Western Assoc is not in the game at this point, he generates without real life stats, thus appearing to be a fictional player. Am I on the right track here?

And, by the way, clicking through 100+ players in the 1920 draft pool demonstrates that the LARGE majority do not have any real life stats.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by risp2out

Confirming D Watt's experience here. I had played around with a 1919 season with real minors right out of the box with the first beta version. Ran into these problems and deleted the league as I was just experimenting anyway.

This morning, I ran 1919 again with the newest build (4.36). As D Watt explains, the season seems to run fine. On the first day of the MLB offseason (10/17/19), the game loads minor's database. On that same day, around 70 free agents were added. Most had no history so I was unable to confirm whether they had been on major league reserve rosters or just what, but that seems most likely.

Sim forward to 12/1/19, draft pool announcement. 1220 players in the draft pool. [screenshot] Many (most???) of these players do not have real life stats. [screenshots, players in draft pool, note "real life stats" absent on Ackerman] It's a bit arbitrary, I know, but only 2 of the first 12 players (alphabetically) in the draft pool have real life stats. There is something amiss.

I hope this is helpful.

Thanks so much for posting this.

[risp2out]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Thanks so much for posting this.

Hey, I want this feature to work (and to get bigger and better in the future), so anything I can do to contribute to fixing issues, I will. I'm helpless when it comes to coding and data analysis beyond calculating earn run averages. I did, however, graduate near the top of my law school class, so I'm great at research and being anal retentive.

[KennyV17]

I created a historical league using MLB players and left the setting so that it would include all players 2015 stats. This worked for everyone (as far as I can tell so far) except for AJ Burnett. He came up as "Retired" and his 2015 stats are missing. Is there any easy way I can fix this? Or do I have to recreate the league from scratch again?

[Spritze]

I let Markus know that drafting does not work in the latest build. Not a data issue.

[risp2out]

I'm actually intrigued to discover that the milb data is included pre-1919. It raises the potential for using real players in wholly unaffiliated minor leagues from the first part of the century. I added another fairly lengthy entry about 1901-1902 with and without draft in the thread D Watt started in "General Discussions": http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...igure-out.html The screen shots there may help Markus. Personally, I'm more interested in playing without a draft for games in the first half of the 20th century, just having all the players appear as free agents (and, frankly, I wish that the minor leaguers would appear in that mode). Unfortunately, they appear only with the draft, and those playing with the draft probably want only the major leaguers to appear. Catch-22.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by KennyV17

I created a historical league using MLB players and left the setting so that it would include all players 2015 stats. This worked for everyone (as far as I can tell so far) except for AJ Burnett. He came up as "Retired" and his 2015 stats are missing. Is there any easy way I can fix this? Or do I have to recreate the league from scratch again?

Fixed in next build. There were 12 missing player stats for 2015.