Best way to keep players?

Substance59 · 03-31-2015, 04:12 AM

I've been having trouble keeping players throughout their entire careers for my teams because they always end up asking for too much money.

In past versions of OOTP, I've been able to at least sign players to long term deals before their arbitration is done (I usually liked to the first year they hit arbitration), giving them 5 or so mil more than they were asking, (i found the magic number around 13.5m/year) and they would sign longer deals sometimes upto 7 years. Now, 90% of guys just want one year deals. One guy wanted 9.5mil from arbitration, and I kept upping the price on a 5 year deal and it went up to 20m/year and he still wouldn't sign it. Then, once he gets to free agency he wants some 9year/270mil contract and if i even go down like 5 mil or so they just refuse to negotiate.

Is there something I'm missing, or is it just a lot harder to keep good players in this version?

greenOak · 03-31-2015, 04:36 AM

I've noticed the same thing.

The Game · 03-31-2015, 04:59 AM

I just signed a 24 yr old 2 time 25 game winner to a 10 yr deal. Finances set to 1992 but he will avg 2.6 million a yr for 10 yrs. Heck of a steal. 2nd best SP on my team also wants a 10 yr deal but i gave him a 5 yr deal. Only arbitration eligible player that wanted a 1 yr deal was my C.

Fyrestorm3 · 03-31-2015, 10:28 AM

Sounds pretty realistic to me. In the modern day MLB, it's an extremely rare breed of player who stays with one team for their career.

Though arbitration guys not wanting longer contracts does seem a bit off.

moneyball · 03-31-2015, 10:47 AM

Matt mentions a change in this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ry-demand.html

I also welcome the change. It's much more realistic. I got one of my young guys to sign away his arb years and 2 FA years, but I had to go to $10M/7yrs to get him to do it (and his super2 number was only $5.5M). So it can be done, but you have to make it worth it for the player - just like real life!

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 03-31-2015, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Substance59

I've been having trouble keeping players throughout their entire careers for my teams because they always end up asking for too much money.

In past versions of OOTP, I've been able to at least sign players to long term deals before their arbitration is done (I usually liked to the first year they hit arbitration), giving them 5 or so mil more than they were asking, (i found the magic number around 13.5m/year) and they would sign longer deals sometimes upto 7 years. Now, 90% of guys just want one year deals. One guy wanted 9.5mil from arbitration, and I kept upping the price on a 5 year deal and it went up to 20m/year and he still wouldn't sign it. Then, once he gets to free agency he wants some 9year/270mil contract and if i even go down like 5 mil or so they just refuse to negotiate.

Is there something I'm missing, or is it just a lot harder to keep good players in this version?

You're essentially saying that you found a way around the realism of contracts and you're unhappy that "glitch" doesn't exist anymore?

Cmon man.

How many people stay with one team now a days? 1? Jeter? Maybe Stanton?

Matt Arnold · 03-31-2015, 11:31 AM

I doubt Stanton will stick with the Marlins. Once he gets expensive they'll toss him off to whatever team will be willing to pay him. Or he'll opt out after the 4 years and sign a gigantic FA contract.

But yes, I closed a loophole to make things realistic. And even I find it really annoying at times signing guys with the new code.

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 03-31-2015, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I doubt Stanton will stick with the Marlins. Once he gets expensive they'll toss him off to whatever team will be willing to pay him. Or he'll opt out after the 4 years and sign a gigantic FA contract.

But yes, I closed a loophole to make things realistic. And even I find it really annoying at times signing guys with the new code.

My point exactly Matt. It's extremely rare, and unrealistic to be able to sign all your players to lifetime contracts.

Stanton was an example of a POTENTIAL player, but it's unlikely. Still I can't name anyone in the majors with a better shot right now contractually.

sc_superstar · 03-31-2015, 11:54 AM

ive found that basically its the 2nd tier stars that you can keep long term, unless you have yankee money or are willing to have one or two studs eating up your entire budget, you have to be creative and not just build a dynasty on cheap long term deals.

Players want what they would get in FA or close to it, so when you look at a guy's demand, think about if he was in the FA pool, would he get it, if so he probably wont budge much

pizzaddict · 03-31-2015, 12:17 PM

I could see Felix staying with the Mariners for his whole career.

sc_superstar · 03-31-2015, 12:41 PM

Yeah, and felix a top ten paid player, the M's had to open their wallet to keep him. If they hadnt renegotiated his 13 per year deal he would have walked as a FA either this year or next (im not sure which year that old deal was done) because he would not resigned for 13-15 million and would have gotten 28-30 per year in free agency now.

To keep a star player his entire career you have to eat at least 1 or 2 mega deals

rstoomeyii · 03-31-2015, 01:53 PM

When Bogaerts hit arbitration I offered a 7 year 87.5m deal that got the job done. 5m, 7.5m, 10m, 12.5m, 15m, 17.5m, 20m. You just have to offer a deal that benefits both sides.

MizzouRah · 03-31-2015, 02:06 PM

Players have no problems staying with a team their entire career for less money, signed Albert Pujols

LunchBox · 03-31-2015, 02:20 PM

I also like the fact that you can't lock up young players for a decade and avoid arb and free agency for years, however the part of the new code that makes guys like Bautista and Bartolo Colon want Kershaw $$ or more is a little ridiculous

Substance59 · 03-31-2015, 05:36 PM

I guess it makes sense for it to be harder, but I guess the part that's more annoying to me is the guys not even wanting to sign anything but one year deals during their arbitration years. They'll want 8million one year deal, one year later they want 9 years 200million. If there's some sort of middleground I would be more than happy with that.

Lafayette53 · 03-31-2015, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Substance59

I've been having trouble keeping players throughout their entire careers for my teams because they always end up asking for too much money.

In past versions of OOTP, I've been able to at least sign players to long term deals before their arbitration is done (I usually liked to the first year they hit arbitration), giving them 5 or so mil more than they were asking, (i found the magic number around 13.5m/year) and they would sign longer deals sometimes upto 7 years. Now, 90% of guys just want one year deals. One guy wanted 9.5mil from arbitration, and I kept upping the price on a 5 year deal and it went up to 20m/year and he still wouldn't sign it. Then, once he gets to free agency he wants some 9year/270mil contract and if i even go down like 5 mil or so they just refuse to negotiate.

Is there something I'm missing, or is it just a lot harder to keep good players in this version?

I honestly don't see the problem. Sounds like its WAD to me.

Matt Arnold · 03-31-2015, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Substance59

I guess it makes sense for it to be harder, but I guess the part that's more annoying to me is the guys not even wanting to sign anything but one year deals during their arbitration years. They'll want 8million one year deal, one year later they want 9 years 200million. If there's some sort of middleground I would be more than happy with that.

Just because they ask for one year doesn't mean they won't sign for more. But you have to give them what they're worth. So if they cost 8M in arb this year, then would expect 10M in arbitration next year, you've got to give them 2/18 or close to that. And if the guy wants 8M in arbitration this year and will be a free agent next year, then you're not going to be able to buy out free agent years without paying a free agent pricetag for it.

Substance59 · 03-31-2015, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Just because they ask for one year doesn't mean they won't sign for more. But you have to give them what they're worth. So if they cost 8M in arb this year, then would expect 10M in arbitration next year, you've got to give them 2/18 or close to that. And if the guy wants 8M in arbitration this year and will be a free agent next year, then you're not going to be able to buy out free agent years without paying a free agent pricetag for it.

Thanks for the explanations. I'll try playing around with it more, maybe with some back ended contracts that go up over time. I guess I just wasn't expecting such a big change

Mgomz · 03-31-2015, 10:03 PM

My Team Royals Trade away their good People even if untraceable is set to to the person .and can't even give Gordon a extension.

MizzouRah · 03-31-2015, 10:13 PM

If it makes the game harder, I'm all for it.

03-31-2015, 04:12 AM	#1
Substance59 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 49	Best way to keep players? I've been having trouble keeping players throughout their entire careers for my teams because they always end up asking for too much money. In past versions of OOTP, I've been able to at least sign players to long term deals before their arbitration is done (I usually liked to the first year they hit arbitration), giving them 5 or so mil more than they were asking, (i found the magic number around 13.5m/year) and they would sign longer deals sometimes upto 7 years. Now, 90% of guys just want one year deals. One guy wanted 9.5mil from arbitration, and I kept upping the price on a 5 year deal and it went up to 20m/year and he still wouldn't sign it. Then, once he gets to free agency he wants some 9year/270mil contract and if i even go down like 5 mil or so they just refuse to negotiate. Is there something I'm missing, or is it just a lot harder to keep good players in this version?

03-31-2015, 04:59 AM	#3
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	I just signed a 24 yr old 2 time 25 game winner to a 10 yr deal. Finances set to 1992 but he will avg 2.6 million a yr for 10 yrs. Heck of a steal. 2nd best SP on my team also wants a 10 yr deal but i gave him a 5 yr deal. Only arbitration eligible player that wanted a 1 yr deal was my C. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

03-31-2015, 10:47 AM	#5
moneyball Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 40	Matt mentions a change in this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ry-demand.html I also welcome the change. It's much more realistic. I got one of my young guys to sign away his arb years and 2 FA years, but I had to go to $10M/7yrs to get him to do it (and his super2 number was only $5.5M). So it can be done, but you have to make it worth it for the player - just like real life! __________________ "It's about getting things down to one number. Using the stats the way we read them, we'll find value in players that no one else can see. People are overlooked for a variety of biased reasons and perceived flaws. Age, appearance, personality. Bill James and mathematics cut straight through that. Billy, of the 20,000 notable players for us to consider, I believe that there is a championship team of twenty-five people that we can afford, because everyone else in baseball undervalues them."

03-31-2015, 04:36 AM	#2
greenOak Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 203	I've noticed the same thing.

03-31-2015, 10:28 AM	#4
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	Sounds pretty realistic to me. In the modern day MLB, it's an extremely rare breed of player who stays with one team for their career. Though arbitration guys not wanting longer contracts does seem a bit off.

03-31-2015, 11:31 AM	#7
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,833	I doubt Stanton will stick with the Marlins. Once he gets expensive they'll toss him off to whatever team will be willing to pay him. Or he'll opt out after the 4 years and sign a gigantic FA contract. But yes, I closed a loophole to make things realistic. And even I find it really annoying at times signing guys with the new code.

03-31-2015, 11:54 AM	#9
sc_superstar Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 407	ive found that basically its the 2nd tier stars that you can keep long term, unless you have yankee money or are willing to have one or two studs eating up your entire budget, you have to be creative and not just build a dynasty on cheap long term deals. Players want what they would get in FA or close to it, so when you look at a guy's demand, think about if he was in the FA pool, would he get it, if so he probably wont budge much

03-31-2015, 12:17 PM	#10
pizzaddict Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 136	I could see Felix staying with the Mariners for his whole career.

03-31-2015, 12:41 PM	#11
sc_superstar Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 407	Yeah, and felix a top ten paid player, the M's had to open their wallet to keep him. If they hadnt renegotiated his 13 per year deal he would have walked as a FA either this year or next (im not sure which year that old deal was done) because he would not resigned for 13-15 million and would have gotten 28-30 per year in free agency now. To keep a star player his entire career you have to eat at least 1 or 2 mega deals

03-31-2015, 01:53 PM	#12
rstoomeyii Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Currently Baltimore originally Boston Posts: 97	When Bogaerts hit arbitration I offered a 7 year 87.5m deal that got the job done. 5m, 7.5m, 10m, 12.5m, 15m, 17.5m, 20m. You just have to offer a deal that benefits both sides.

03-31-2015, 02:06 PM	#13
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	Players have no problems staying with a team their entire career for less money, signed Albert Pujols

03-31-2015, 02:20 PM	#14
LunchBox Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New York Posts: 245	I also like the fact that you can't lock up young players for a decade and avoid arb and free agency for years, however the part of the new code that makes guys like Bautista and Bartolo Colon want Kershaw $$ or more is a little ridiculous

03-31-2015, 05:36 PM	#15
Substance59 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 49	I guess it makes sense for it to be harder, but I guess the part that's more annoying to me is the guys not even wanting to sign anything but one year deals during their arbitration years. They'll want 8million one year deal, one year later they want 9 years 200million. If there's some sort of middleground I would be more than happy with that.

03-31-2015, 10:03 PM	#19
Mgomz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 132	My Team Royals Trade away their good People even if untraceable is set to to the person .and can't even give Gordon a extension.

03-31-2015, 10:13 PM	#20
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	If it makes the game harder, I'm all for it.