How long/innings played for player to get rated at new position?

[American_Ernesider]

Last season I had a 3B with decent defense but atrocious offense. I had a backup 1B that had some pop to his bat, but wasn't likely to to see the field as my starting 1B and RF were better.

I moves the 1B to 3B. He probably played 80 or more games last season at the position, most of the spring, and 50 games this season. He still has no rating for 3B and I was not sure at what point he might get rated. I do not expect him to be a great 3B, but am curious where he might be.

Thanks.

[Questdog]

A player will get rated for a position almost immediately upon playing at one where he has no experience unless he fails to meet the minimum requirements.

Each of the positions has minimum standards of range, arm, error and/or DP ratings a player must meet before a rating will be shown no matter how much experience he accumulates.

[etothep]

If he's played that many games at the position & isn't rated there yet then it's most likely b/c he's rated 0 at the position (which would likely signal that his defensive ratings are so bad for the position that no matter how many games you play him there, it won't matter)

What are his defensive ratings?

This current season I'm on (May 25th in game), I've had these minor leaguers play new positions (I use the 1-10 ratings scale):
- Pretty good defensive RF played 42 games at CF and is rated 1 there now
- Great defensive SS played 41 games at 3B and is rated 2 there now
- Good defensive 2B played 15 games at 3B and is rated 1 there now
- Good defensive RF played 42 games at CF and is rated 1 there now

Probably another handful of guys I could list, but you get the idea

If those guys had bad defensive ratings though, then they'd still be unrated at those new positions. I mean, no matter how many games you play someone like David Ortiz at 3B, he'd still be a hot mess at the hot corner

[RchW]

Originally Posted by American_Ernesider

Last season I had a 3B with decent defense but atrocious offense. I had a backup 1B that had some pop to his bat, but wasn't likely to to see the field as my starting 1B and RF were better.

I moves the 1B to 3B. He probably played 80 or more games last season at the position, most of the spring, and 50 games this season. He still has no rating for 3B and I was not sure at what point he might get rated. I do not expect him to be a great 3B, but am curious where he might be.

Thanks.

Moving a player against the position spectrum ( 1B - LF - RF - 3B - CF - 2B - SS - C) is not likely to work if this guy is a true 1B. I suspect this is the case here. First base is the final refuge of those who can't play any other position (DH excepted). Your best bet would be to trade for someone to play 3B or convert a middle infielder with a good arm. On rare occasions you might see an OF with the skills.

Edit; this is encouraging because previous versions of OOTP would allow 1B to retain/develop baseline skills at SS and one would be presented with a mid 30's former All Star 1B playing SS on AI teams. Learning IF positions sufficiently to be more than an emergency fill in is extremely rare IRL. Ben Zobrist is unique.

[American_Ernesider]

I did wonder if maybe the possibility of him being so bad at 3B as to not be rated.

Catcher Ability = 2
Catcher Arm = 2
Infield Rng = 3
Infield Err = 5
Infield Arm = 3
Outfield Rng = 3
Outfield Err = 3
Outfield Arm = 2

He is only rated at 1B and that is as a 5. He is actually better than the starter, but the starter is a top 5 bat in the league.

I have not paid much attention to his fielding at 3B, but it looks like his ZR is an appalling -26.3!

[RchW]

Originally Posted by American_Ernesider

I did wonder if maybe the possibility of him being so bad at 3B as to not be rated.

Catcher Ability = 2
Catcher Arm = 2
Infield Rng = 3
Infield Err = 5
Infield Arm = 3
Outfield Rng = 3
Outfield Err = 3
Outfield Arm = 2

He is only rated at 1B and that is as a 5. He is actually better than the starter, but the starter is a top 5 bat in the league.

I have not paid much attention to his fielding at 3B, but it looks like his ZR is an appalling -26.3!

What scale? If 1-5 then he may be just below threshold on the arm. If 1-10 then no chance with range and arm. Looks like a true 1B.

[American_Ernesider]

Originally Posted by RchW

What scale? If 1-5 then he may be just below threshold on the arm. If 1-10 then no chance with range and arm. Looks like a true 1B.

I think I have it set 2 to 8

[ThePretender]

I've noticed it's taking a lot longer to learn positions in OOTP 16. Sometimes it takes a full year and a half to 2 years to develop positions (for players that are more than capable of playing the position). I like to teach multiple positions to guys in the minors but I'm finding it takes significantly longer to develop guys at different positions.

[Mr. Marlin]

A players Work Ethic & Intelligence also affect their ability and speed learning a new position. If he is unmotivated and dumber than a bag of hammers this may be an exercise in futility.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by American_Ernesider

I think I have it set 2 to 8

So 3's won't work in that scale.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by ThePretender

I've noticed it's taking a lot longer to learn positions in OOTP 16. Sometimes it takes a full year and a half to 2 years to develop positions (for players that are more than capable of playing the position). I like to teach multiple positions to guys in the minors but I'm finding it takes significantly longer to develop guys at different positions.

You may be right but it could be the game telling you something. For example if I took a good defensive SS and had him learn 2B my expectation would be that he would be good quick. IRL most drafted and international FA SS are streamed to other positions because their skills don't fly in the majors. That means even fewer young 2B would be considered unless blocked by a better SS.

If a player is a highly rated prospect and projects well defensively, teams will not risk his development by treating him like a utility player. Marginal prospects are plentiful for that purpose.

[American_Ernesider]

Originally Posted by RchW

So 3's won't work in that scale.

That helps. I didn't do a lot of research... I saw a bigger bat I was not utilizing. I think I do need to look at trading him. Interestingly, the owner has wanted me to get rid of the starting 1B for two seasons...but he is my biggest offensive weapon.