TCR big swings

sprague · 04-30-2022, 11:28 AM

Message for historical players and David Watts.
David and I both play historical similarly, with development on and TCR of 1 so that we get new career arcs but always or 99.9% of the time to the player's potential values. I like recalc off also as I alter some players, especially pitchers, and also some players fielding ratings, and with development on I don't have to go and make changes every year.

Anyway...
Tried out a 1890 start. TCR 1
By 1892 some young players have big swings in their values.
Ed Delahanty went from a 208 hitting potential to a 150. he would still be a good player but not Ed Delehanty. Similar giant loses came for Hugh Jennings, John McGraw, Kid Nicholls and several others. Older players tended to stay somewhat even.

Those are a lot of players and big swings for TCR 1. I am probably going to have to shift to a 3 year recalc and keep making some changes manually.
Wanted to let all of you know what I was seeing. Never had swings like this in any other edition of OOTP.

Reed · 04-30-2022, 11:54 AM

What version are you playing? Maybe this is related to the “potential” problem noted in the bug forum. I’m playing (for now) a straight up recalc, no development league started in 1901 and noticed A LOT of the players had wacky potential rating. The pitchers are worse the the hitters. For 23, I am not playing development/t r until they get the potential fixed.

David Watts · 04-30-2022, 12:55 PM

Wonder if any of this stuff is getting addressed. Did either of you do the beta patch? I'm not smart enough to do that without ruining my game forever. I posted in that other guys thread about the messed up draft. Markus came on and said he created 1970 and everything looked fine. I created a random in 1970. The first 3 rounds the AI picked position players exclusively. The AI then picked RP's with every single pick from the 4th round to the start of the 25th round. Maybe the he had the patch and therefore it wasn't happening for him.

Crazy thing is, every time I open the game it asks me to review the game on Steam. What the heck would I say?

sprague · 04-30-2022, 01:24 PM

I have the patch, it seems to be the game as it is right now.

I have been also posting and showing the very high values for negro players especially in the 1930's. Pitchers are way off the charts, but hitters tend to be rated to high now as well, but I want to wait until the get the pitching sorted out before I get into the hitters.

Looks like 23 was trying to fix a lot of things that didn't need fixing, and now...need lots of fixing.

David Watts · 04-30-2022, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprague

I have the patch, it seems to be the game as it is right now.

I have been also posting and showing the very high values for negro players especially in the 1930's. Pitchers are way off the charts, but hitters tend to be rated to high now as well, but I want to wait until the get the pitching sorted out before I get into the hitters.

Looks like 23 was trying to fix a lot of things that didn't need fixing, and now...need lots of fixing.

Sure does.

Reed · 04-30-2022, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

Wonder if any of this stuff is getting addressed. Did either of you do the beta patch? I'm not smart enough to do that without ruining my game forever. I posted in that other guys thread about the messed up draft. Markus came on and said he created 1970 and everything looked fine. I created a random in 1970. The first 3 rounds the AI picked position players exclusively. The AI then picked RP's with every single pick from the 4th round to the start of the 25th round. Maybe the he had the patch and therefore it wasn't happening for him.

Crazy thing is, every time I open the game it asks me to review the game on Steam. What the heck would I say?

I haven’t tried the beta patch. Figured I would mess something up permanently.
As far as reviewing the game, I haven’t. If I did, it wouldn’t be positive right now. I like the new features but I feel very limited in how I can play. Still playing mostly OOTP 22.

David Watts · 04-30-2022, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Reed

I haven’t tried the beta patch. Figured I would mess something up permanently.
As far as reviewing the game, I haven’t. If I did, it wouldn’t be positive right now. I like the new features but I feel very limited in how I can play. Still playing mostly OOTP 22.

I agree. Maybe everyone owes that guy that made the post about the release being a mess an apology. He took quite the shellacking for days.

David Watts · 05-01-2022, 01:29 PM

I know patience, patience patience, but I'm starting to get restless. Especially, due to the fact that you can't run a random debut draft. Every pitcher in the draft is a RP or a Closer and all the other stuff getting reported. I'm currently playing 1977 with 1 year recalc, retire according to history and development turned off. I am kind of stoked that it seems like things are heading in the right direction with the Negro Leagues, but even then it sucks, because I have zero interest in watching my computer explode running 10 minor leagues and 6300 independent leagues.

Oh and I still haven't reviewed the game on Steam.

Reed · 05-01-2022, 03:07 PM

I hear you. It seems like it has been forever waiting to start a “real” game on 23. For the past 5 days I haven’t touched 23, just playing my random league on 22. I will be nervous starting a new league on 23 when the next patch comes out. I am trying to decide if I should dive into a new league or wait a little while to see what others say. Knowing me, I’ll probably dive into it.

italyprof · 05-02-2022, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

I know patience, patience patience, but I'm starting to get restless. Especially, due to the fact that you can't run a random debut draft. Every pitcher in the draft is a RP or a Closer and all the other stuff getting reported. I'm currently playing 1977 with 1 year recalc, retire according to history and development turned off. I am kind of stoked that it seems like things are heading in the right direction with the Negro Leagues, but even then it sucks, because I have zero interest in watching my computer explode running 10 minor leagues and 6300 independent leagues.

Oh and I still haven't reviewed the game on Steam.

David, I noticed this weird thing of all the pitchers being relievers too. If you put recalc to 3-years it fixes itself, and lists starters as starters again. If you already have it on 3-yesr, move it to 1 or 5-year, and then back to three and, voila! Starters.

David Watts · 05-02-2022, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by italyprof

David, I noticed this weird thing of all the pitchers being relievers too. If you put recalc to 3-years it fixes itself, and lists starters as starters again. If you already have it on 3-yesr, move it to 1 or 5-year, and then back to three and, voila! Starters.

Wow, that's strange. Did you have the messed up draft? Then again, maybe when you get the pitchers listed correctly as starters that fixes the draft bug as well. Still going to wait till folks tell me that the issue with potentials is fixed, before I dive back into a random debut. Right now I'm playing 1977, 1 year recalc, retire according to history and zero injuries. Using the dreaded high fatigue and rotations set to only occasionally start highest rested. Feels like I'm back playing strat in the family room on the card table....minus all the paper scoresheets of course

David Watts · 05-02-2022, 02:32 PM

Meant to post this over the weekend. Have any of you noticed that "double weight the current season" is now the default setting and you have to unselect it if you don't want to use it? It's even on by default if you select 1 year recalc. Not completely sure why one would want to double weight the only season used? This is for random leagues and historical leagues. Wonder why that would be made the default setting? Could that be causing the low potentials?

sprague · 05-02-2022, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

Meant to post this over the weekend. Have any of you noticed that "double weight the current season" is now the default setting and you have to unselect it if you don't want to use it? It's even on by default if you select 1 year recalc. Not completely sure why one would want to double weight the only season used? This is for random leagues and historical leagues. Wonder why that would be made the default setting? Could that be causing the low potentials?

I think the low potentials issue has been fixed David. All seems fine in the test leagues I have been running now.
The trick now is to see if TCR is functioning on a higher level than before, and the best way to tweek down the negro players when they enter the game.

Lets see how this looks in a week or so

italyprof · 05-09-2022, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

Meant to post this over the weekend. Have any of you noticed that "double weight the current season" is now the default setting and you have to unselect it if you don't want to use it? It's even on by default if you select 1 year recalc. Not completely sure why one would want to double weight the only season used? This is for random leagues and historical leagues. Wonder why that would be made the default setting? Could that be causing the low potentials?

It's odd. And yes, I have it too. So I have to remember to uncheck it.

italyprof · 05-09-2022, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

Wow, that's strange. Did you have the messed up draft? Then again, maybe when you get the pitchers listed correctly as starters that fixes the draft bug as well. Still going to wait till folks tell me that the issue with potentials is fixed, before I dive back into a random debut. Right now I'm playing 1977, 1 year recalc, retire according to history and zero injuries. Using the dreaded high fatigue and rotations set to only occasionally start highest rested. Feels like I'm back playing strat in the family room on the card table....minus all the paper scoresheets of course

If by mess up draft, you mean all pitchers listed as relievers, yes. It only changes so some are SP s of I have 3-year recalc on. You can always change it after the draft. But does that affect the rotations once they're set?

04-30-2022, 11:28 AM	#1
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,947	TCR big swings Message for historical players and David Watts. David and I both play historical similarly, with development on and TCR of 1 so that we get new career arcs but always or 99.9% of the time to the player's potential values. I like recalc off also as I alter some players, especially pitchers, and also some players fielding ratings, and with development on I don't have to go and make changes every year. Anyway... Tried out a 1890 start. TCR 1 By 1892 some young players have big swings in their values. Ed Delahanty went from a 208 hitting potential to a 150. he would still be a good player but not Ed Delehanty. Similar giant loses came for Hugh Jennings, John McGraw, Kid Nicholls and several others. Older players tended to stay somewhat even. Those are a lot of players and big swings for TCR 1. I am probably going to have to shift to a 3 year recalc and keep making some changes manually. Wanted to let all of you know what I was seeing. Never had swings like this in any other edition of OOTP.

05-02-2022, 02:32 PM	#12
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,597 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Meant to post this over the weekend. Have any of you noticed that "double weight the current season" is now the default setting and you have to unselect it if you don't want to use it? It's even on by default if you select 1 year recalc. Not completely sure why one would want to double weight the only season used? This is for random leagues and historical leagues. Wonder why that would be made the default setting? Could that be causing the low potentials? Last edited by David Watts; 05-02-2022 at 03:33 PM.

04-30-2022, 11:54 AM	#2
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,339	What version are you playing? Maybe this is related to the “potential” problem noted in the bug forum. I’m playing (for now) a straight up recalc, no development league started in 1901 and noticed A LOT of the players had wacky potential rating. The pitchers are worse the the hitters. For 23, I am not playing development/t r until they get the potential fixed.

04-30-2022, 12:55 PM	#3
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,597 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Wonder if any of this stuff is getting addressed. Did either of you do the beta patch? I'm not smart enough to do that without ruining my game forever. I posted in that other guys thread about the messed up draft. Markus came on and said he created 1970 and everything looked fine. I created a random in 1970. The first 3 rounds the AI picked position players exclusively. The AI then picked RP's with every single pick from the 4th round to the start of the 25th round. Maybe the he had the patch and therefore it wasn't happening for him. Crazy thing is, every time I open the game it asks me to review the game on Steam. What the heck would I say?

04-30-2022, 01:24 PM	#4
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,947	I have the patch, it seems to be the game as it is right now. I have been also posting and showing the very high values for negro players especially in the 1930's. Pitchers are way off the charts, but hitters tend to be rated to high now as well, but I want to wait until the get the pitching sorted out before I get into the hitters. Looks like 23 was trying to fix a lot of things that didn't need fixing, and now...need lots of fixing.

05-01-2022, 01:29 PM	#8
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,597 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I know patience, patience patience, but I'm starting to get restless. Especially, due to the fact that you can't run a random debut draft. Every pitcher in the draft is a RP or a Closer and all the other stuff getting reported. I'm currently playing 1977 with 1 year recalc, retire according to history and development turned off. I am kind of stoked that it seems like things are heading in the right direction with the Negro Leagues, but even then it sucks, because I have zero interest in watching my computer explode running 10 minor leagues and 6300 independent leagues. Oh and I still haven't reviewed the game on Steam.

05-01-2022, 03:07 PM	#9
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,339	I hear you. It seems like it has been forever waiting to start a “real” game on 23. For the past 5 days I haven’t touched 23, just playing my random league on 22. I will be nervous starting a new league on 23 when the next patch comes out. I am trying to decide if I should dive into a new league or wait a little while to see what others say. Knowing me, I’ll probably dive into it.