Hilldale Club

sdw1000 · 08-01-2022, 09:59 PM

When are you guys gonna expand the Negro Leagues to include teams like Hilldale Club!?

thehef · 08-03-2022, 05:10 PM

Best I can tell... OOTP includes the following Negro leagues/years:

- Negro National League from 1920-1931, and from 1933-1948, which matches history.
- Negro American League from 1937-1950, which also matches history through 1950. This league actually existed longer (until 1962). But with integration, etc., OOTP understandably stops its Negro Leagues at 1950 (and this may be the current limit as to the latest year that player data is available).
- Negro East-West League for 1932. This also matches history. Not 100% clear on why this league was chosen for inclusion in OOTP. It obviously fills a gap (for the year where there was no Negro National League). However, IRL the league did not complete is season (it folded). And there doesn't seem to be any significant connection of teams from/to the 1931 and 1933 Negro National Leagues... I'm guessing it was included because with the NNL having folded and the NAL not arriving for a few more years, OOTP needed a NeLg for 1932, else there would be no NeLgs that year. That would make sense.

At any rate, the Hilldale Club played in other leagues during the time period above, except for 1932, when it played in East-West League and is therefore included in OOTP for that season. So it's not so much that the Hilldale Club is not included; rather, it's that the leagues in which the Hilldale Club played are not (yet) included in OOTP (except for 1932). I can tell you that many additional player-seasons are available in the minor league player database for Hilldale (and other teams), so it's possible it could be included at some point.

I have no significant inside knowledge, however my hunch is that once OOTP further tweaks NeLg player ratings - an ongoing effort, I believe - to where NeLgers can perform "to expectations" both in a segregated and non-segregated OOTP worlds, then it's more-likely that some add'l leagues/teams will be included.

08-01-2022, 09:59 PM	#1
sdw1000 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: SC USA Posts: 928 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Hilldale Club When are you guys gonna expand the Negro Leagues to include teams like Hilldale Club!?

08-03-2022, 05:10 PM	#2
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	Best I can tell... OOTP includes the following Negro leagues/years: - Negro National League from 1920-1931, and from 1933-1948, which matches history. - Negro American League from 1937-1950, which also matches history through 1950. This league actually existed longer (until 1962). But with integration, etc., OOTP understandably stops its Negro Leagues at 1950 (and this may be the current limit as to the latest year that player data is available). - Negro East-West League for 1932. This also matches history. Not 100% clear on why this league was chosen for inclusion in OOTP. It obviously fills a gap (for the year where there was no Negro National League). However, IRL the league did not complete is season (it folded). And there doesn't seem to be any significant connection of teams from/to the 1931 and 1933 Negro National Leagues... I'm guessing it was included because with the NNL having folded and the NAL not arriving for a few more years, OOTP needed a NeLg for 1932, else there would be no NeLgs that year. That would make sense. At any rate, the Hilldale Club played in other leagues during the time period above, except for 1932, when it played in East-West League and is therefore included in OOTP for that season. So it's not so much that the Hilldale Club is not included; rather, it's that the leagues in which the Hilldale Club played are not (yet) included in OOTP (except for 1932). I can tell you that many additional player-seasons are available in the minor league player database for Hilldale (and other teams), so it's possible it could be included at some point. I have no significant inside knowledge, however my hunch is that once OOTP further tweaks NeLg player ratings - an ongoing effort, I believe - to where NeLgers can perform "to expectations" both in a segregated and non-segregated OOTP worlds, then it's more-likely that some add'l leagues/teams will be included.