Question on the latest patch update and what exactly is being scrambled

koohead · 01-18-2023, 02:38 PM

Apologies for starting a new thread but I have read through the 2 main threads on the topic and am still not clear on what will happen when 108/109 is applied. I understand league name, team names will be scrambled. But is the country of Japan completely going away and replaced with South Africa? Meaning in a fictional game with no *** league, players from Japan will now come from South Africa???

MathBandit · 01-18-2023, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by koohead

Apologies for starting a new thread but I have read through the 2 main threads on the topic and am still not clear on what will happen when 108/109 is applied. I understand league name, team names will be scrambled. But is the country of Japan completely going away and replaced with Japan? Meaning in a fictional game with no *** league, players from Japan will now come from South Africa???

No. I had a full modern-world setup accurate to sometime in January, and on patch 108 (I haven't tried 109 yet) there are 494 Japanese players still in the world. The majority just play baseball in South Africa because the specific league they played in no longer exists.

Also in a fully-fictional online league I play in, none of the Japanese players seem to have been affected at all.

koohead · 01-18-2023, 02:54 PM

Thank you

OutS|der · 01-19-2023, 01:32 AM

Anything Japan has been removed from the game. Doesn't matter if it was saved before or not. Just lost many thousands of hours in one save cause of this BS move

BaseballGOAT · 01-19-2023, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OutS|der

Anything Japan has been removed from the game. Doesn't matter if it was saved before or not. Just lost many thousands of hours in one save cause of this BS move

Everyone knows this is an over exaggeration

MathBandit · 01-19-2023, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OutS|der

Anything Japan has been removed from the game.

That's odd, given that my current offline save has 494 Japanese players. Should I let them know they're not supposed to be here anymore?

OutS|der · 01-19-2023, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MathBandit

That's odd, given that my current offline save has 494 Japanese players. Should I let them know they're not supposed to be here anymore?

I dunno. I just know in my game the fictional players in the Nippon league all had their nationality changed and names randomized. I was using the Nippon Greats in my league so in essence all were “fictional” and they all got changed. I didn’t take the time to see if other Japanese players were changed. I’ll do that later and update you.

dishnet34 · 01-19-2023, 10:41 AM

Y'all, it's still possible to create a custom Japanese league now based in Japan, as long as it doesn't use the [LEAGUE REDACTED] structure/names.

Rain King · 01-19-2023, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OutS|der

I dunno. I just know in my game the fictional players in the Nippon league all had their nationality changed and names randomized. I was using the Nippon Greats in my league so in essence all were “fictional” and they all got changed. I didn’t take the time to see if other Japanese players were changed. I’ll do that later and update you.

Yeah, using the league name is what got you. If it was completely fictional and didn't have that term it would not have likely been scrambled, but for some (I'm sure legal) reason if that term is involved they needed to remove the league from Japan.

I've seen some references to the league structure also possibly being a problem, but am not quite sure exactly what that entails as of yet.

But, generally, so far the testing has seemed to show that anything completely fictional within Japan is Ok.

OutS|der · 01-19-2023, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

Yeah, using the league name is what got you. If it was completely fictional and didn't have that term it would not have likely been scrambled, but for some (I'm sure legal) reason if that term is involved they needed to remove the league from Japan.

I've seen some references to the league structure also possibly being a problem, but am not quite sure exactly what that entails as of yet.

But, generally, so far the testing has seemed to show that anything completely fictional within Japan is Ok.

I could understand changing the league country and team names but there was no reason to change the players as well. Really frustrating way to go about it.

Syd Thrift · 01-19-2023, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OutS|der

I could understand changing the league country and team names but there was no reason to change the players as well. Really frustrating way to go about it.

The actual players is literally what's in the exclusivity deal. The changing the country of origin is the weird bit but that could be ***/Konami saying what steps need to be made to ensure there is no "*** representation" going forward, like you could still have a "fictional" South African league that retained all of that "fictional South African" history of players that played in both "fictional South Africa" and MLB, but even that might be something OOTPD put together to try to please the horrific, sue-happy people at Konami.

This is all speculation of course, and the more I think it through the more i think it's unlikely we're going to hear definitive info from OOTPD about this, but if anything player "likenesses" (which I guess in Japan must extend to statistical history, which it most certainly does not in the USA) are if anything a higher priority than the league or team names.

OutS|der · 01-19-2023, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

The actual players is literally what's in the exclusivity deal. The changing the country of origin is the weird bit but that could be ***/Konami saying what steps need to be made to ensure there is no "*** representation" going forward, like you could still have a "fictional" South African league that retained all of that "fictional South African" history of players that played in both "fictional South Africa" and MLB, but even that might be something OOTPD put together to try to please the horrific, sue-happy people at Konami.

This is all speculation of course, and the more I think it through the more i think it's unlikely we're going to hear definitive info from OOTPD about this, but if anything player "likenesses" (which I guess in Japan must extend to statistical history, which it most certainly does not in the USA) are if anything a higher priority than the league or team names.

My players were fictional. They just happened to be in the Nippon league.
So there was no reason for the players to end up randomized

Rain King · 01-19-2023, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OutS|der

My players were fictional. They just happened to be in the Nippon league.
So there was no reason for the players to end up randomized

I mean, apparently there WAS a reason because that is what they did.

It sucks, but I don't think you have any standing to determine what they legally needed to do.

You, like a handful of others that are now spamming the boards, are going to have to either find a way to deal with what happened or at least stop making the board experience worse for everyone else because your feelings were hurt.

It's not a good situation, but it also isn't a very big deal in the entire scheme of things. There are channels to request a refund if you wish, I imagine they will be reasonable if that is what you want. But you are currently just spitting into the wind.

ChromEagle · 01-19-2023, 03:04 PM

Same thing happened to me, I was using fictional players but everything else about the league was real. It was annoying that all the players got randomized, and mainly because of that I had to make that league all over again...this time everything being fictional.

Bobfather · 01-19-2023, 03:19 PM

[QUOTE=OutS|der;4967863]I dunno. I just know in my game the fictional players in the Nippon league all had their nationality changed and names randomized. I was using the Nippon Greats in my league so in essence all were “fictional” and they all got changed. I didn’t take the time to see if other Japanese players were changed. I’ll do that later and update you.[/QUOTE
Just trying to understand.
The league has been moved and name changed does league history still exist?
Team names were changed, does league structure still exist and league history?
Players names and nationality were changed did they retain their ratings and histories?

Rain King · 01-19-2023, 03:34 PM

I've not tested, but reports seem to be that ratings and histories are in-tact. It is just that any references to the Japanese professional league (whether current or in histories) get edited to a South African team/league.

Bobfather · 01-19-2023, 05:54 PM

So if all that is true, the complaint is the names have been changed, so these leagues could still exist. I think that was the SMART play by the devs. Great compromise. Hopefully, people will take a step back and see the bigger picture. IMO.

Kobeck · 01-19-2023, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

Yeah, using the league name is what got you. If it was completely fictional and didn't have that term it would not have likely been scrambled, but for some (I'm sure legal) reason if that term is involved they needed to remove the league from Japan.

I've seen some references to the league structure also possibly being a problem, but am not quite sure exactly what that entails as of yet.

But, generally, so far the testing has seemed to show that anything completely fictional within Japan is Ok.

I play fictional with real teams... real teams got me

Mat · 01-19-2023, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Everyone knows this is an over exaggeration

yes.

OutS|der · 01-19-2023, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobfather

So if all that is true, the complaint is the names have been changed, so these leagues could still exist. I think that was the SMART play by the devs. Great compromise. Hopefully, people will take a step back and see the bigger picture. IMO.

What bigger picture? My fictional players names got changed. Doesn't matter if the league still exits when I have no idea who the players are anymore.

Big picture is Markus sold out and it's now come to screw us over.

01-18-2023, 02:38 PM	#1
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,209	Question on the latest patch update and what exactly is being scrambled Apologies for starting a new thread but I have read through the 2 main threads on the topic and am still not clear on what will happen when 108/109 is applied. I understand league name, team names will be scrambled. But is the country of Japan completely going away and replaced with South Africa? Meaning in a fictional game with no *** league, players from Japan will now come from South Africa??? __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL; Last edited by koohead; 01-18-2023 at 02:55 PM. Reason: fixed question

01-18-2023, 02:54 PM	#3
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01-19-2023, 10:41 AM	#8
dishnet34 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,536	Y'all, it's still possible to create a custom Japanese league now based in Japan, as long as it doesn't use the [LEAGUE REDACTED] structure/names. __________________ OOTP's Official Perfect Team Hype Man / host of TWIPT Saturday Showdown and Perfect League World Series "Find a way to be alone in a baseball stadium at sunrise, when the only sound you hear are about nine birds that got lost, and found themselves in a stadium, and they’re chirping across the grandstand trying to figure out where the f*** they ended up." -Dan Besbris

01-19-2023, 03:04 PM	#14
ChromEagle Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 259	Same thing happened to me, I was using fictional players but everything else about the league was real. It was annoying that all the players got randomized, and mainly because of that I had to make that league all over again...this time everything being fictional. __________________ HEY HEY PITCH THAT BASE CATCH THAT BAT WHO CARES WE'RE NUMBER ONE

01-19-2023, 03:19 PM	#15
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,635	[QUOTE=OutS\|der;4967863]I dunno. I just know in my game the fictional players in the Nippon league all had their nationality changed and names randomized. I was using the Nippon Greats in my league so in essence all were “fictional” and they all got changed. I didn’t take the time to see if other Japanese players were changed. I’ll do that later and update you.[/QUOTE Just trying to understand. The league has been moved and name changed does league history still exist? Team names were changed, does league structure still exist and league history? Players names and nationality were changed did they retain their ratings and histories? __________________ I play out every game—one pitch mode.

01-19-2023, 01:32 AM	#4
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,702 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Anything Japan has been removed from the game. Doesn't matter if it was saved before or not. Just lost many thousands of hours in one save cause of this BS move

01-19-2023, 03:34 PM	#16
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,110 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I've not tested, but reports seem to be that ratings and histories are in-tact. It is just that any references to the Japanese professional league (whether current or in histories) get edited to a South African team/league.

01-19-2023, 05:54 PM	#17
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,635	So if all that is true, the complaint is the names have been changed, so these leagues could still exist. I think that was the SMART play by the devs. Great compromise. Hopefully, people will take a step back and see the bigger picture. IMO. __________________ I play out every game—one pitch mode.