Runner on 3rd going on contact

Crickett13 · 05-06-2024, 01:02 AM

I seem to have a lot of players going on contact from 3rd with less than 2 outs. I consider it a pretty low % play and evidently OOTP agrees because they get thrown out a lot. I get doing once in a while, but this is happening 2-3 times a game sometimes Is there a setting I'm missing to stop it?

zappa1 · 05-06-2024, 08:59 AM

That's interesting because I see the exact opposite. They don't run when they should be.

Crickett13 · 05-06-2024, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by zappa1

That's interesting because I see the exact opposite. They don't run when they should be.

Yeah but it's a manager style decision. I would very rarely call the play. I'm just wondering where the decision to go or not comes from. The only thing I can see that might be related is individual base running aggressiveness. I just don't get why it isn't a play call like hit and run, bunt or steal. what is your team strategy on base running. mine is balanced and I'm wondering if I make it more conservative if that will cause less of it.

md40022 · 05-06-2024, 11:53 AM

The runner on 3rd base with the infield playing back thing is definitely off on a few different levels.

To Zappa's point ---- usually the runner on 3rd in OOTP25 does NOT go on contact when the infield is playing back. And that is very different than IRL. Normally IRL with the infield playing back the runner on 3rd is going on contact..... So, that's issue #1.

But to the OP's point - when the runner actually does go and the infield is playing back the runner is getting thrown out wayyyyyy too often. 98% when the infield is playing back and there is a groundball to 2B or SS the fielder does not even attempt to throw home. They essentially are conceding the run for a variance of reasons (it's a long throw and the runner is starting with a lead off, you're throwing to the catcher meaning they are more likely to have the ball pop out of the catcher's glove, and it's not a force play so that same catcher with the bulky equipment on and the catcher's glove needs to get a tag down).

There are multiple tweaks needed in this scenario.

A. the runners hold at 3rd base far too often on groundballs with the IF playing back - that needs adjustment

B. when the runner actually does go, he's getting thrown out way too often. the infielders, 2B and SS specifically, don't even attempt that throw IRL unless the infield is pulled in - so that needs adjustment, too.

zappa1 · 05-06-2024, 04:50 PM

The score of the game is also part of the problem. I mean teams are winning 5-1 and playing the infield in with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs. This is 100% wrong. You would always give up that run to get an out.

EvvCat · 05-06-2024, 08:10 PM

Bad baserunning at third on infielder grounders is definitely a major annoyance. Can I throw a couple more similar things into this bucket?

Outfielder fundamentals are a problem when a runner tries to go first to third on a single to the outfield. Outfielders typically throw to third, allowing the batter/runner to take second base 90% of the time. Any decent baseball coach or player will tell you the outfield throw should almost always be to second to hold the batter/runner at first base, keeping him out of scoring position and (less than two outs) keeping the double play in order.

Baserunning with two outs is also fundamentally weak on singles to the outfield. With two outs, runners should *usually* take two bases - first to third or second to home - because they're running on contact. Way too often, even fast runners take one base and hold.

Maybe those two things cancel out since one benefits the team at bat and the other benefits the team in the field, but it's still super frustrating seeing good Major Leaguers make dumb plays over and over.

zappa1 · 05-06-2024, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EvvCat

Bad baserunning at third on infielder grounders is definitely a major annoyance. Can I throw a couple more similar things into this bucket?

Outfielder fundamentals are a problem when a runner tries to go first to third on a single to the outfield. Outfielders typically throw to third, allowing the batter/runner to take second base 90% of the time. Any decent baseball coach or player will tell you the outfield throw should almost always be to second to hold the batter/runner at first base, keeping him out of scoring position and (less than two outs) keeping the double play in order.

Baserunning with two outs is also fundamentally weak on singles to the outfield. With two outs, runners should *usually* take two bases - first to third or second to home - because they're running on contact. Way too often, even fast runners take one base and hold.

Maybe those two things cancel out since one benefits the team at bat and the other benefits the team in the field, but it's still super frustrating seeing good Major Leaguers make dumb plays over and over.

I've complained about the trailing runners almost always moving up on those throws. Yes, it does happen but it's way, way too often in this game. Even with slow bad runners. I've had pitchers hit singles runner on first to third throw goes to third and the pitcher moves up to 2nd.

The infield in with a big lead is insanity. The runner on 3rd runs when the infield is in when he is not forced to run and gets thrown out. With the infield back, he doesn't run at all.

md40022 · 05-07-2024, 09:20 AM

everything said here = extremely valid.

Jasper70 · 05-07-2024, 06:26 PM

Since I just lost a game 10 minutes ago on a throw home to nail a pretty good base runner with 1 out, runners on 2nd and 3rd and the infield back and it happens several times a week, you are missing a very important point.

This game has no logic. It is based on ratings, not baseball fundamentals.

Crickett13 · 05-08-2024, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasper70

Since I just lost a game 10 minutes ago on a throw home to nail a pretty good base runner with 1 out, runners on 2nd and 3rd and the infield back and it happens several times a week, you are missing a very important point.

This game has no logic. It is based on ratings, not baseball fundamentals.

Very true and I just wish I knew what rating was causing players to go on contact in a tie game as the home team with less than 2 outs.

Jasper70 · 05-09-2024, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Crickett13

Very true and I just wish I knew what rating was causing players to go on contact in a tie game as the home team with less than 2 outs.

You can try this. Go into team strategy, click on the drop down menu, pick 7&8 innings, offensive strategy then adjust the slider for base running to very conservative.
Worth a shot

md40022 · 05-10-2024, 10:42 AM

*edit*

posted response on the wrong thread -- sorry!

CarriageTownBaseball · 11-22-2024, 09:34 PM

There REALLY needs to be an option to send the runner on contact. What really chaps my backside is, the computer-managed team WILL send a runner on contact, but I don't get the option. Just had a slow grounder to second with runners on 1st and 3rd and the runner on third (a fast runner) held. TOTAL BS.

CarriageTownBaseball · 11-29-2024, 01:54 PM

And, another loss, in extra innings. One out, fast runner on 3B, 8-7 in the 10th. Slow ground ball to the right side, runner doesn't go, no option to send him. I lost 8-7.

Lack of control of the runner on third, frankly, sucks.

MathBandit · 11-29-2024, 04:21 PM

Worth noting that a 'slow grounder' might not actually be a slow grounder.

Das_Schlippo · 12-02-2024, 05:59 PM

Runners won't go from 3rd to home on contact. However, a runner on 2nd with less than two outs will absolutely try to take 3rd on a ball hit to shortstop. Spoiler: They always get thrown out.

eauhomme · 12-03-2024, 10:02 AM

Add to it too many outs at third for the first or third out of the inning. It is a baseball truism that one should not make the first or third out at third--the likelihood of scoring isn't that much higher than at second (especially with 2 out) for it to be worth the risk of taking the extra base.

I wish the designers actually looked at all the play-by-play and figured out specific percentages in game situations and certain scores/innings--How often a runner tries for third, how often he is thrown out from each position. How often the runner goes home from third on an infield grounder, and how often the fielder throws home to get him. How often the throw from the outfield on a base hit goes to second instead of third.

Of course, this would be a monumental undertaking, but this game is built on monumental undertakings, so who knows?

11-22-2024, 09:34 PM	#13
CarriageTownBaseball Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2024 Location: Saturn Posts: 43	There REALLY needs to be an option to send the runner on contact. What really chaps my backside is, the computer-managed team WILL send a runner on contact, but I don't get the option. Just had a slow grounder to second with runners on 1st and 3rd and the runner on third (a fast runner) held. TOTAL BS. __________________ "I never took the game home with me. I usually left it in some bar on the way." -- Bob Lemon

11-29-2024, 01:54 PM	#14
CarriageTownBaseball Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2024 Location: Saturn Posts: 43	And, another loss, in extra innings. One out, fast runner on 3B, 8-7 in the 10th. Slow ground ball to the right side, runner doesn't go, no option to send him. I lost 8-7. Lack of control of the runner on third, frankly, sucks. __________________ "I never took the game home with me. I usually left it in some bar on the way." -- Bob Lemon

05-06-2024, 01:02 AM	#1
Crickett13 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 84	Runner on 3rd going on contact I seem to have a lot of players going on contact from 3rd with less than 2 outs. I consider it a pretty low % play and evidently OOTP agrees because they get thrown out a lot. I get doing once in a while, but this is happening 2-3 times a game sometimes Is there a setting I'm missing to stop it?

05-06-2024, 08:59 AM	#2
zappa1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,134	That's interesting because I see the exact opposite. They don't run when they should be.

05-06-2024, 11:53 AM	#4
md40022 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 740 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	The runner on 3rd base with the infield playing back thing is definitely off on a few different levels. To Zappa's point ---- usually the runner on 3rd in OOTP25 does NOT go on contact when the infield is playing back. And that is very different than IRL. Normally IRL with the infield playing back the runner on 3rd is going on contact..... So, that's issue #1. But to the OP's point - when the runner actually does go and the infield is playing back the runner is getting thrown out wayyyyyy too often. 98% when the infield is playing back and there is a groundball to 2B or SS the fielder does not even attempt to throw home. They essentially are conceding the run for a variance of reasons (it's a long throw and the runner is starting with a lead off, you're throwing to the catcher meaning they are more likely to have the ball pop out of the catcher's glove, and it's not a force play so that same catcher with the bulky equipment on and the catcher's glove needs to get a tag down). There are multiple tweaks needed in this scenario. A. the runners hold at 3rd base far too often on groundballs with the IF playing back - that needs adjustment B. when the runner actually does go, he's getting thrown out way too often. the infielders, 2B and SS specifically, don't even attempt that throw IRL unless the infield is pulled in - so that needs adjustment, too.

05-06-2024, 04:50 PM	#5
zappa1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,134	The score of the game is also part of the problem. I mean teams are winning 5-1 and playing the infield in with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs. This is 100% wrong. You would always give up that run to get an out.

05-06-2024, 08:10 PM	#6
EvvCat Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 81	Bad baserunning at third on infielder grounders is definitely a major annoyance. Can I throw a couple more similar things into this bucket? Outfielder fundamentals are a problem when a runner tries to go first to third on a single to the outfield. Outfielders typically throw to third, allowing the batter/runner to take second base 90% of the time. Any decent baseball coach or player will tell you the outfield throw should almost always be to second to hold the batter/runner at first base, keeping him out of scoring position and (less than two outs) keeping the double play in order. Baserunning with two outs is also fundamentally weak on singles to the outfield. With two outs, runners should usually take two bases - first to third or second to home - because they're running on contact. Way too often, even fast runners take one base and hold. Maybe those two things cancel out since one benefits the team at bat and the other benefits the team in the field, but it's still super frustrating seeing good Major Leaguers make dumb plays over and over.

05-07-2024, 09:20 AM	#8
md40022 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 740 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	everything said here = extremely valid.

05-07-2024, 06:26 PM	#9
Jasper70 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2023 Posts: 159	Since I just lost a game 10 minutes ago on a throw home to nail a pretty good base runner with 1 out, runners on 2nd and 3rd and the infield back and it happens several times a week, you are missing a very important point. This game has no logic. It is based on ratings, not baseball fundamentals.

05-10-2024, 10:42 AM	#12
md40022 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 740 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	edit posted response on the wrong thread -- sorry!

11-29-2024, 04:21 PM	#15
MathBandit All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 1,445	Worth noting that a 'slow grounder' might not actually be a slow grounder.

12-02-2024, 05:59 PM	#16
Das_Schlippo Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2024 Posts: 4	Runners won't go from 3rd to home on contact. However, a runner on 2nd with less than two outs will absolutely try to take 3rd on a ball hit to shortstop. Spoiler: They always get thrown out.

12-03-2024, 10:02 AM	#17
eauhomme Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 129	Add to it too many outs at third for the first or third out of the inning. It is a baseball truism that one should not make the first or third out at third--the likelihood of scoring isn't that much higher than at second (especially with 2 out) for it to be worth the risk of taking the extra base. I wish the designers actually looked at all the play-by-play and figured out specific percentages in game situations and certain scores/innings--How often a runner tries for third, how often he is thrown out from each position. How often the runner goes home from third on an infield grounder, and how often the fielder throws home to get him. How often the throw from the outfield on a base hit goes to second instead of third. Of course, this would be a monumental undertaking, but this game is built on monumental undertakings, so who knows?