Let's make Perfect PERFECT again !

HRBaker · 11-11-2020, 10:44 AM

(Sorry for the political reference, no pun intended)

Many of us have (yes, over and over) complained about the release of "better than Perfect" cards throughout the year. Besides unbalancing the game for the majority of players that don't compete at the top of the Pyramid, it results in OOTP creating more and more "Superman" cards (LEGENDs, SE, FOTF, etc.) which start representing players that never walked the earth.

Let's make Perfect PERFECT again.

If Perfect cards were what they actually are labeled, Diamonds and high Golds would be worth a ton more than their base price.

I would suggest making Perfect cards VERY rare (maybe 1:2000) and using the current "better-than-perfect" titles as "subtitles" for Perfect and Diamond cards. Maybe even increase the number of Gold cards in the database(?).

This would force the Auction price up on ALL cards and dilute the highest league levels to a more diverse makeup.

I don't think such a change would reduce OOTP profits - simply increase the price of mid-level cards because there are fewer Perfects.

As far as the weekly card releases; instead of making up more and more powerful cards above Perfect, more "100s" can be released as the year progresses, and "special edition" lower level cards (like Joe Charboneau - 1979, or Rick Ankiel - 2000) with some kind of usage limitation. These lower level cards would be in demand for lower level leagues.

I threw a lot out here, and some of this may not be possible - I'll leave that to OOTP folks - but my title captures the concept - let's make Perfect PERFECT again.

Abnerdoubleday · 11-11-2020, 11:06 AM

The ratings creep, I would think, must work to reduce the value of packs. If the only competitive cards at Diamond and Perfect are historic perfects, the odds of pulling a competitve card from a pack are much smaller now.

dkgo · 11-11-2020, 11:46 AM

The power creep is going to happen. It's how you get the whales to keep buying more.

The biggest problem to me is that elite cards are tied to missions which force the price of various gold and diamond cards so high that those cards can't be used in the leagues that they are appropriate for. Gold David Price could be playable at lower levels but instead costs 40K so he is basically removed from the game sitting in whales inactive locked lists.

OMGPuppies · 11-11-2020, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

The power creep is going to happen. It's how you get the whales to keep buying more.

The biggest problem to me is that elite cards are tied to missions which force the price of various gold and diamond cards so high that those cards can't be used in the leagues that they are appropriate for. Gold David Price could be playable at lower levels but instead costs 40K so he is basically removed from the game sitting in whales inactive locked lists.

Totally agree about that. The missions bump up the price of useful cards and takes them out of circulation. I remember that last year there was a particular mission that contained many useful gold hitters.

chazzycat · 11-11-2020, 01:37 PM

agree with the previous 2 comments very much. team building is the fun part of the game...having as many options as possible for each position is key.

I don't get the obsession with 100 rated cards though. What's "perfect" supposed to mean in this context anyway? Are "perfect" hitters supposed to bat 1.000 and "perfect" pitchers have an ERA of zero?

also let's not forget that if OVR was a true measure of a card's value, the game would literally require no skill.

Dogberry99 · 11-11-2020, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chazzycat

team building is the fun part of the game...having as many options as possible for each position is key.

I completely agree with this. Players will always target the best cards, no matter what they're rated or how rare they are to pull. More legitimate options and replacements are how to keep the team building interesting and the game good.

dkgo · 11-11-2020, 03:42 PM

Poorly designed collection missions ruined fun team building.

Imagine being a Royals fan hoping to build up a team of your favorite players. Sorry, diamonds now cost 100K.

dboeyr12007 · 11-11-2020, 07:14 PM

Not saying that anyone is wrong in their opinion. I can definitely see the validity especially with AH pricing. I am just personally a fan of the stronger cards. For me one of the most exciting things in the game is ripping open a pack and seeing that perfect card or big diamond pop out about once a month or so. For me it being a 1/2000 hit would be a bummer. Especially if you actually hit one and it ends up being Live.

dkgo · 11-11-2020, 07:22 PM

That should be an exciting moment, but it isnt. "Perfect" Babe Ruth in packs is worth barely more than quicksell value since so many better Ruths keep getting released. Nearly all the best cards are special editions.

chazzycat · 11-11-2020, 07:26 PM

wait, you can pull perfects from packs??

OMGPuppies · 11-12-2020, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by chazzycat

wait, you can pull perfects from packs??

I heard some guy pulled both Tris and Ozzie.

Tinkerman · 11-12-2020, 04:36 AM

For the sake of interest, I had a good look through my pack only team yesterday. I estimate that I've opened about 10,500 packs, which have been almost entirely regular packs. A few months ago I guessed that it would take about 10,000 packs for odds to even out... I've pulled 53 100's in total, 37 live and 16 historical. All of which are bang on the stated odds (37:16 couldn't be closer to 7:3).

I just went 2000 pretty bad packs with only 3 lives and a lot of lost PP, but that makes sense now as I was clearly 'ahead'. Yesterday, out of 100 packs, I finally popped a couple of useful HP's. Nice upgrades for my team, but the San Diego payday that I pulled was worth more than both combined

.

Anyway, you can go a lot of packs between HP's, and they seem to come in pairs quite often.

BigRed75 · 11-12-2020, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HRBaker

If Perfect cards were what they actually are labeled, Diamonds and high Golds would be worth a ton more than their base price.

I would suggest making Perfect cards VERY rare (maybe 1:2000) and using the current "better-than-perfect" titles as "subtitles" for Perfect and Diamond cards. Maybe even increase the number of Gold cards in the database(?).

This would force the Auction price up on ALL cards and dilute the highest league levels to a more diverse makeup.

FotF did a good job of raising the auction prices on diamonds and high golds and, as you can see by the comments, turned a lot of people off in the process.

So, no, I can't support any suggestion that will raise the prices of cards in the AH even further.

HRBaker · 11-12-2020, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRed75

FotF did a good job of raising the auction prices on diamonds and high golds and, as you can see by the comments, turned a lot of people off in the process.

So, no, I can't support any suggestion that will raise the prices of cards in the AH even further.

I'm not talking about raising the price of cards "further" - I'm talking about eliminating the "better than perfect" cards so the Perfects, diamonds, and Gold become the most expensive cards. The "better than perfect" cards make the regular perfect-diamond-gold cards almost worthless as things are now.

bailey · 11-12-2020, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinkerman

For the sake of interest, I had a good look through my pack only team yesterday. I estimate that I've opened about 10,500 packs, which have been almost entirely regular packs. A few months ago I guessed that it would take about 10,000 packs for odds to even out... I've pulled 53 100's in total, 37 live and 16 historical. All of which are bang on the stated odds (37:16 couldn't be closer to 7:3).

I just went 2000 pretty bad packs with only 3 lives and a lot of lost PP, but that makes sense now as I was clearly 'ahead'. Yesterday, out of 100 packs, I finally popped a couple of useful HP's. Nice upgrades for my team, but the San Diego payday that I pulled was worth more than both combined

.

Anyway, you can go a lot of packs between HP's, and they seem to come in pairs quite often.

Wow! That's over 10 million points dedicated to pack only!

Is that team in perfect league?

Tinkerman · 11-12-2020, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey

Is that team in perfect league?

I need a few more killer pulls before there's a chance of that! A kickass SS would be nice.

10 million might seem a lot, but with your efficiency you'd probably have turned over 20+

.

BigRed75 · 11-19-2020, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by HRBaker

I'm not talking about raising the price of cards "further" - I'm talking about eliminating the "better than perfect" cards so the Perfects, diamonds, and Gold become the most expensive cards. The "better than perfect" cards make the regular perfect-diamond-gold cards almost worthless as things are now.

You say tomato, I say market inflation

11-11-2020, 10:44 AM	#1
HRBaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,368	Let's make Perfect PERFECT again ! (Sorry for the political reference, no pun intended) Many of us have (yes, over and over) complained about the release of "better than Perfect" cards throughout the year. Besides unbalancing the game for the majority of players that don't compete at the top of the Pyramid, it results in OOTP creating more and more "Superman" cards (LEGENDs, SE, FOTF, etc.) which start representing players that never walked the earth. Let's make Perfect PERFECT again. If Perfect cards were what they actually are labeled, Diamonds and high Golds would be worth a ton more than their base price. I would suggest making Perfect cards VERY rare (maybe 1:2000) and using the current "better-than-perfect" titles as "subtitles" for Perfect and Diamond cards. Maybe even increase the number of Gold cards in the database(?). This would force the Auction price up on ALL cards and dilute the highest league levels to a more diverse makeup. I don't think such a change would reduce OOTP profits - simply increase the price of mid-level cards because there are fewer Perfects. As far as the weekly card releases; instead of making up more and more powerful cards above Perfect, more "100s" can be released as the year progresses, and "special edition" lower level cards (like Joe Charboneau - 1979, or Rick Ankiel - 2000) with some kind of usage limitation. These lower level cards would be in demand for lower level leagues. I threw a lot out here, and some of this may not be possible - I'll leave that to OOTP folks - but my title captures the concept - let's make Perfect PERFECT again.

11-11-2020, 11:06 AM	#2
Abnerdoubleday Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 203	The ratings creep, I would think, must work to reduce the value of packs. If the only competitive cards at Diamond and Perfect are historic perfects, the odds of pulling a competitve card from a pack are much smaller now. Last edited by Abnerdoubleday; 11-11-2020 at 11:14 AM.

11-11-2020, 07:14 PM	#8
dboeyr12007 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 268	Not saying that anyone is wrong in their opinion. I can definitely see the validity especially with AH pricing. I am just personally a fan of the stronger cards. For me one of the most exciting things in the game is ripping open a pack and seeing that perfect card or big diamond pop out about once a month or so. For me it being a 1/2000 hit would be a bummer. Especially if you actually hit one and it ends up being Live. __________________

11-11-2020, 11:46 AM	#3
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	The power creep is going to happen. It's how you get the whales to keep buying more. The biggest problem to me is that elite cards are tied to missions which force the price of various gold and diamond cards so high that those cards can't be used in the leagues that they are appropriate for. Gold David Price could be playable at lower levels but instead costs 40K so he is basically removed from the game sitting in whales inactive locked lists.

11-11-2020, 01:37 PM	#5
chazzycat All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,685	agree with the previous 2 comments very much. team building is the fun part of the game...having as many options as possible for each position is key. I don't get the obsession with 100 rated cards though. What's "perfect" supposed to mean in this context anyway? Are "perfect" hitters supposed to bat 1.000 and "perfect" pitchers have an ERA of zero? also let's not forget that if OVR was a true measure of a card's value, the game would literally require no skill.

11-11-2020, 03:42 PM	#7
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	Poorly designed collection missions ruined fun team building. Imagine being a Royals fan hoping to build up a team of your favorite players. Sorry, diamonds now cost 100K.

11-11-2020, 07:22 PM	#9
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	That should be an exciting moment, but it isnt. "Perfect" Babe Ruth in packs is worth barely more than quicksell value since so many better Ruths keep getting released. Nearly all the best cards are special editions.

11-11-2020, 07:26 PM	#10
chazzycat All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,685	wait, you can pull perfects from packs??

11-12-2020, 04:36 AM	#12
Tinkerman All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 1,939	For the sake of interest, I had a good look through my pack only team yesterday. I estimate that I've opened about 10,500 packs, which have been almost entirely regular packs. A few months ago I guessed that it would take about 10,000 packs for odds to even out... I've pulled 53 100's in total, 37 live and 16 historical. All of which are bang on the stated odds (37:16 couldn't be closer to 7:3). I just went 2000 pretty bad packs with only 3 lives and a lot of lost PP, but that makes sense now as I was clearly 'ahead'. Yesterday, out of 100 packs, I finally popped a couple of useful HP's. Nice upgrades for my team, but the San Diego payday that I pulled was worth more than both combined . Anyway, you can go a lot of packs between HP's, and they seem to come in pairs quite often.