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12-06-2021, 12:21 PM
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Lockout Baseball- Integrated History of MLB from 1871
Hey everyone, been a while since I posted on here for various reasons not withstanding a bad taste in my mouth that I had from being on here a few months ago. But this project I will be streaming during the Lockout in MLB until it is resolved, maybe beyond for the fun of it. It will be a look at MLB history from an integrated, semi-historical viewpoint starting in 1871. A way to see how professional baseball was, with historical franchises, players, statistical baselines, schedules along with integration from the beginning.
https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports I will also include my thoughts on topics of the day in Baseball, including the recent Hall of Fame votes, Negro Leagues Baseball history and more. I am up to conversation number 67 with authors, historians, researchers, simulation game players, artists, musicians, you name it. You can find those on the Youtube channel as well along with quite a few other player videos from Baseball In Living Color. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8i...DWg8d1tAPPA2og Friday I had on author Kristy Nerstheimer and her recent children's book on Buck O'Neil. Today Monday at noon CST, award winning author Audrey Vernick, who has written several dozen books including quite a few on baseball history and has a new book coming out in January on the life of Larry Doby. Doing some giveaways of one of a kind card art, some other things going on Twitter, check it out. Would love to get your thoughts on these as well, but as I've mentioned about the bad taste I had from a few months ago, I'm not going to engage with anyone posting nonsense. I'm sure you can understand! Thanks guys! https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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12-06-2021, 12:28 PM
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1871 featured the inclusion of about 25 historical Black Baseball players including Octavius Cato, Charles Douglass, Isaac Irons, George Hopkins, Arthur Peterson and more. Fleet Walker comes into the draft pool in 1873, brother Welday on his way in a few more seasons as well. Each season will include a few historical Black Baseball and Negro Leagues players.
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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12-07-2021, 01:40 PM
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Lockout Baseball Day 6- 1877 season welcomes Bud Fowler
The Hartford Dark Blues, behind the pitching of Charmer Zettlein and Candy Cummings, and the stellar play of John Bass, Wee Davey Force and Doug Allison successfully defending their AL pennant and won their first ever league championship in 1876. The defeated the Chicago Whitestockings in a tight 7 game World Series.
Follow along with the comings and goings of franchises, from the Fort Wayne Kekiongas to the Middletown Mansfields, Brooklyn Eckfords, Philadelphia Centennials as they come and go in the chaotic early days of Baseball. Watch as well the careers of Al Spalding, Lipman Pike, Orator Shaffer, Jim O'Rourke and other stars are joined through integration with Octavius Cato, George Hopkins, Fleet Walker and other early stars of Black Baseball history. 1877 will see the appearances of Bud Fowler, recently inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame, along with Shep Trusty, Ben Boyd and others as seasons progress and we play out a simulated, integrated Major League Baseball history while we also count the Lockout Days. https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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12-08-2021, 01:20 PM
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Lockout Baseball Day 7- Piano Legs, Pebbly Jack & Weldy join the league
Each weekday around noon CST I will livestream and run a few seasons. 1878 draft on deck with Piano Legs Gore, Pebbly Jack Glasscock and Weldy Walker joining the league.
New franchises as we talk about and track the history are the Cleveland Blues, Syracuse Stars, Buffalo Bisons and Troy Trojans. Going to be doing another 1 of 1 autographed card giveaway with CoA on Twitter if anyone is interested in checking it out. https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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12-09-2021, 01:01 PM
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Lockout Baseball Day 8- 1881 welcomes the Wolverines
Coming up at noon CST today, Lockout Baseball day 8- History of Baseball simulation with full integration from 1871 now in 1881.
Team & player history talk, welcoming the Detroit Wolverines, Worcester Ruby Legs, the Fleet Walker-Tony Mullane-Greg Harris connection & how Monty Ward's 1885 Law Degree impacts today. Check out the latest 1 of 1 card art giveaway of James 'Fireball' Bolden and Jim Greason and the legend of Yellowhorse Morris on Twitter as well. https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8i...Wg8d1tAPPA2og/
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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12-10-2021, 01:46 PM
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Lockout Baseball day 9- 1882 to 1884 & talking rule changes through history
Coming up at noon CST today- Lockout Baseball Day 9. Will play 1882 to 1884 in the integrated history of MLB from 1871 project. Just wrapped up the 1881 season. A lot of poetic license so we can have a history of baseball with Black Baseball and Negro League players in from the beginning, but also give it a more traditional feel with 2 leagues and a World Series. Also not quite the same crazy statistics of pitchers starting every game and winning 60 in a season, tried to tone that down a bit by forcing 2 and 3 man rotations if possible. Wasn't the same game back then as I talk about in these videos and always cracks me up that some people are okay with those statistics in the MLB record book but oh no, can't have Black Baseball and Negro League statistics in there. They are major leagues now.
https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports Still time to get in on the card giveaways from Baseball In Living Color https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3/s...637820929?s=20
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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12-13-2021, 12:32 PM
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Lockout Baseball day 12- 1885 to 1887
Coming up at Noon CST, Lockout Baseball Day 12. Start of the 1885 season, welcoming George Stovey, William Selden, Arthur Thomas, Oss Jackson, Toad Ramsey, Matt Kilroy, the Louisville Colonels, St. Louis Maroons, the story of El Ingles, how Amos Rusie changed the game and more.
https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports On Friday, early baseball rules, keeping the game from jacking with your minor league systems, the color barrier dropped on its own, Game of Inches by Peter Morris. The rise of baseball around the country during a time of economic recessions, a depression, the United States Negro Base Ball League and more. This Thursday at Noon will also include a talk with Jason & Jake Bonneville, Father-Son duo behind the ATG Post War Project using MLB The Show. https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 Last edited by Cool Papa Bell; 12-13-2021 at 01:18 PM. |
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12-14-2021, 09:54 AM
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Lockout Baseball Day 13- 1886 to 1888, welcoming George Stovey, Uncle Robbie's record and more
Coming up today 12/14 at Noon CST on the livestream:
Lockout Baseball Day 13- Integrated history of baseball from 1871 now in 1887. Franchise and player history talk, welcoming George Stovey, Hugh Duffy, Cupid Childs, the Louisville Colonels, El Ingles, who is S.K. Govern, what record did Wilbert Robinson set and hold for nearly 80 years and more. https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports Other history tidbits daily at: https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 Last edited by Cool Papa Bell; 12-14-2021 at 12:47 PM. |
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12-15-2021, 01:13 PM
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Lockout Baseball Day 14- 1899, here come the Spiders (and Solons), they mystery of Chick Pedroes
Today 12/15 at Noon, CST- Lockout Baseball-Day 14, the integrated history of baseball from 1871 now in 1889. A semi-historical (mostly historical) what-if simulation.
Franchise and player history talk, the Ripple Effect, welcoming William Binga, Harry Hyde,The Hooser Thunderbolt, Phenomenal Smith, the Cleveland Spiders and Columbus Solons, the mystery of Chick Pedroes and more. https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports More on Harry Hyde and more on Twitter, tidbits every day: https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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12-16-2021, 12:14 PM
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Lockout Baseball Day 15- 1891 to 1893, The Kissing Bug, Mugsy, The Kingpin of the Orioles
Today 12/16 at Noon, CST- Lockout Baseball-Day 15, the integrated history of baseball from 1871 now in 1890. A semi-historical (mostly historical) what-if simulation.
Franchise and player history talk, more Ripple Effect, welcoming The Kissing Bug, Mugsy McGraw, Brickyard, the Milwaukee Brewers, the Bridegrooms no more, early lineup construction, Haney's Baseball Guide, The Baltimore Lord Baltimores, unboxing cards & who knows what from Baseball In Living Color and more. https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports More on Haywood Rose, The Kissing Bug on Twitter, tidbits every day: https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 Last edited by Cool Papa Bell; 12-16-2021 at 01:13 PM. |
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12-20-2021, 12:55 PM
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Today 12/20 at Noon, MST- Lockout Baseball-Day 19 The Travel Edition
The integrated history of baseball from 1871 now in 1893. A semi-historical (mostly historical) what-if simulation. Welcoming Harry Buckner, Billy Holland, Cap Clarke, Tinti Molina, Jimmy Collins, the Dixie Thrush, the first Iron Man, the tragic life of Marty Bergen, maybe the most elaborate attempt to steal signs ever & a player nickname that fits it and more. https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 Last edited by Cool Papa Bell; 12-20-2021 at 01:00 PM. |
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12-21-2021, 02:16 PM
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Lockout Baseball Day 20- Welcoming C.I. Taylor, Bill Monroe, Harry Decker's claim to fame and more
Today 12/20 at Noon, MST- Lockout Baseball-Day 20 The Travel Edition
The integrated history of baseball from 1871 now in 1895. A semi-historical (mostly historical) what-if simulation. Welcoming Home Run Johnson, Bill Monroe, Happy Jack, Bill Bill, Smilin’ Al or ‘The Curveless Wonder’, Charlie Grant, C.I. Taylor, Harry Decker’s claim to fame, hey that glove is too big, stop spitting on the baseball and more https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports More on Bill 'Money' Monroe and other posts: https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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12-22-2021, 01:18 PM
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Lockout Baseball Day 21- Honus, Rube, Snowball, pebbling the base paths and more
Today 12/20 at Noon, MST- Lockout Baseball-Day 21 The Travel Edition
Integrated history of baseball from 1871 now in 1897 A semi-historical what-if simulation- The Travel Edition Welcoming Honus, Rube (not that Rube), Snowball, The Duke of Tralee,Lil All Right, Chief Sockalexis, Bebe Royer, the Double Ball Racket, pebbling the base paths, the Cowboy Mayor and more https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports 'El Terremoto', Earthquake Ascanio and more daily at https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 Last edited by Cool Papa Bell; 12-22-2021 at 01:20 PM. |
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12-23-2021, 01:59 PM
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Lockout Baseball Day 22- 1898-1900
Today 12/20 at Noon, MST- Lockout Baseball-Day 22 The Travel Edition
Integrated history of baseball from 1871 now in 1898 A semi-historical what-if simulation- The Travel Edition Welcoming Rube (yes that Rube), Big Six (so famous he had 4 nicknames), The Eel, Turkey Mike, Wahoo Sam, Joe Green, the man who nearly killed John McGraw (probably not the only 1 who may have wanted to), the famous Russell Ford, that new fangled squeezer and more https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports The legendary 'Daddy' Reid and the St. Paul Gophers at https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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12-28-2021, 04:23 PM
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Lockout Baseball Day 27- The modern era begins
Lockout Baseball Day 27- 1901, the Modern Era Begins
Today 12/28 at 2:30, CST- Lockout Baseball-Day 27, back after a long driving trip for the holidays. Integrated history of baseball from 1871 now in 1901 A semi-historical what-if simulation Welcoming Addie Joss, Joe Tinker (Baseball's Sad Lexicon), Pete Hill, Bobby Winston, Homer Smoot (and his pretty cool record), an overlooked 6 sport star, those darn Rabbit Balls, Eras? What Eras? and more https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports Clips from the past year's 65 conversations with authors, researchers, historians, collectors, artists, musicians, actors, simulation gamers all week to recap all of their contributions. https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 Last edited by Cool Papa Bell; 12-28-2021 at 04:25 PM. |
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12-29-2021, 11:26 PM
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Lockout Baseball Day 28: Big Ed, Big Bill, slow walk shenanigans and more
Starting at 9:30 PM CST
Lockout Baseball: Day 28. Integrated what-if simulation now in 1902. Welcoming Pop Lloyd, Big Ed, Big Bill, Clarence Matthews, Slow Joe Doyle’s T-206 rarity, Hooks Wiltse 108 year oddity, Fleet Walker-HoFer, the slow walk shenanigan and more. https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports Clips from the past year's 65 conversations with authors, researchers, historians, collectors, artists, musicians, actors, simulation gamers all week to recap all of their contributions. https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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12-30-2021, 11:24 PM
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Lockout Baseball Day 29: The Georgia Peach & Father Travers, Smokey Joe, La Temporada Americana
Integrated history of baseball from 1871 now in 1904
A semi-historical what-if simulation Coming up at 9:30 CST- Welcoming The Georgia Peach, Smokey Joe, 2 more Taylor Boys, Double O, Armando Marsans, Father Allan Travers, You're not putting a number on my uniform!, Polishing His Buttons, The American Series and more. https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports Clips from the past year's 65 conversations with authors, researchers, historians, collectors, artists, musicians, actors, simulation gamers all week to recap all of their contributions. https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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12-31-2021, 12:04 PM
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Fabulous stuff. I’m following with great interest. Here’s a question for you. What (if anything) did you do about the Union Association in 1884? MLB officially considers it a major league, given the quality of players, before it folded. I ask because the Wilmington Quicksteps played games (very briefly) just up the street from where I live. I am working on a sim where the UA has a better chance of becoming a third major league, and surviving 1884. Things were very fluid back then, and it would only have taken a few more solid franchises (more money) for the UA to be competitive. Including players of color would have expanded the talent pool, which was stretched pretty thin by all of the teams in three leagues.
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Thank you! I really appreciate that! I really haven't put much thought into how the game is handling players and teams prior to the Modern Era. I have been importing the players as early as I can age wise into the rookie pool and doing some adjustments as well as importing the Black Baseball history players, but letting the game move the franchises around. A lot of poetic license here and more to get the integration has been the focus, but I agree that several early leagues and teams could have made a bigger impact but many suffered in the 1870's through early 1890's with economics because of the financial conditions of the country at the time.
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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01-03-2022, 03:39 PM
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Lockout Baseball Day 33- Welcoming Cocky Collins, the Babe Whisperer, Rube Foster-Cubs Ace
Welcoming Dizzy (Dismukes), The Babe (Adams), The Stork, Cocky Collins, Spot Poles. Rube Foster-Chicago Cubs ace, Bill Carrigan-Babe Whisperer & Vaudeville/Movie mogul, doing it with mirrors, your handwriting makes you a manager candidate? and more.
Integrated history of baseball from 1871 now in 1906 A semi-historical what-if simulation https://www.twitch.tv/legends_sports Clips from the past year's 65 conversations with authors, researchers, historians, collectors, artists, musicians, actors, simulation gamers all week to recap all of their contributions. https://twitter.com/LegendsSports3
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"About race, I'm going to say this. If you're green or purple or whatever color, you can play for me if I think you can help this ballclub.That's all I'm going to say about race." Leo Durocher, New York Giants manager, 1946 |
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