Historical Lineups are a Mess

[drowssap]

This has been in other versions but 25 is the worst.



I am playing a game in April 1985 against the Dodgers and here's the lineup:


Steve Sax 1B
Bill Russell 2B
Bob Bailor SS
Dave Anderson 3B
Pedro Guerrero LF
Sid Bream CF
Mike Marshall RF


Bream in CF? Sax at 1B? C'mon! The team I'm controlling I had to make wholesale changes to make sure players weren't playing out of position. I'm not going to let Gary Templeton become my starting 2B...he never played there in his career!!!



Please fix this. It makes it so not realistic.

[LansdowneSt]

Setting fatigue and backup availability aside for the moment, what are your settings on this screen? To post a screenshot, hit the "Go Advanced" tab below the text box here.

[LansdowneSt]

Bream, for the only time in his career, played CF for AAA that year in 28 games hence the qualification there for that year in time.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...gi?id=7219e6dd

Steve Sax was a terrible defensive 2B. It's hard to teach and AI to do something it can see with the data and resulting stats is a terrible idea. Playing him at 1B for you is a mercy.

EDIT: Also, if you are the Dodgers, just go to the lineups and set them as you will and don't delegate it to the AI to get the line-up you want. The game lets you decide who makes those decisions.

[Lukas Berger]

You always have the option to play with real lineups enabled, if you want that.

If you don't though, you won't see players playing 100% at their same positions they really did, especially without historical transactions on.

You could easily end up with f.e. two real life SS's on the same team. One of them will have to play another position in that case, plus this will mean that another team is missing their 'real' SS and someone will have to fill in. So you have a cascading effect throughout the league when even one or two things change..

[thehef]

All of the above 100%...

Additionally, this also might have to do with the handedness of the other team's starting pitcher, and the availability of players on the Dodgers. For instance, I'd expect to see Greg Brock starting at 1B and Kenny Landreaux in CF - but not if the SP is a lefty... And so then if other guys are not available due to injury or rest, that could be part of it... And a close look at what positions those guys actually played that season doesn't make it strange that, for example, Russell would play 2B (even though we think of him primarily as a SS; Anderson played a lot at 3B that season, and Bailor appeared at SS for a few games). Also, we might expect that against a lefty SP (if that's the case), that Candy Maldonado would appear in the lineup (in CF). But a closer look at his real-life usage vs stats makes one wonder why he got as much playing time as he did. IOW, Tommy Lasorda must've thought more of him that any other manager would, including OOTP's AI manager

I'll admit Sax at 1B seems odd. But that's probably due to a combination of factors (like some of those suggested above), and I'm guessing that unless those factors are in play long-term (like several injuries) for your 1985 OOTP Dodgers, that's a one-off/rare occurrence.

And worth noting if you are using real txns (or it's LA's roster essentially as it is if you created the game starting with 1985) is that in April Bill Madlock and Enos Cabell - two guys who spent significant time at 1B and 3B - were not yet on the Dodgers. And while OOTP rightly sees fit to put Pete Guerrero in LF instead of 3B (due to his abysmal fielding at third), Tommy was still putting Pedro at 3B in the early part of the season (giving the newly acquired Al Oliver a chance in LF). So OOTP is merely doing the best it can with lineup selection given LA's roster at the time and - likely - some limitations due to injuries or fatigue.

[uruguru]

mean to post somewhere else, sorry