Issue with Deleted Historical Players Returning in Free Agency

[Intrometic]

Hi, first post here. I've been trying to set up a historical league that starts in 1900 (with mostly the same settings so that historical rookies would still show up) but I would empty and delete all of the real players like Honus and Nap & replace them with new fictional baseball players using the Functions tab in League Settings. The first season would run smoothly, but for some reason those real players that are already deleted now show up in Free Agency after being (loaded in?) after the playoffs.

(What the FA class looks like after every season now: https://ibb.co/k0F1zKt

I don't know what function or setting causes them to come back, I've tried this on both custom and historical leagues but the game states it's loading the database after the playoffs and then they're all in Free Agency. If anyone could figure out the cause of these zombie resurrections and if I could make it stop without having to delete everything in Free Agency (or in later years, forced to comb each FA class to make sure all of the newly loaded players go back to where they came) then that would help immensely.

[LansdowneSt]

The link to the image isn't coming through. See here for how to post an image directly embedded in the post:

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=353369

Also, in response to the issue itself, can you post this screen from League Settings? I don't know why any non-rookies would return to life after a true deleting but this is a good page to get more info out to assist.

[luckymann]

Originally Posted by Intrometic

Hi, first post here. I've been trying to set up a historical league that starts in 1900 (with mostly the same settings so that historical rookies would still show up) but I would empty and delete all of the real players like Honus and Nap & replace them with new fictional baseball players using the Functions tab in League Settings. The first season would run smoothly, but for some reason those real players that are already deleted now show up in Free Agency after being (loaded in?) after the playoffs.

(What the FA class looks like after every season now: https://ibb.co/k0F1zKt

I don't know what function or setting causes them to come back, I've tried this on both custom and historical leagues but the game states it's loading the database after the playoffs and then they're all in Free Agency. If anyone could figure out the cause of these zombie resurrections and if I could make it stop without having to delete everything in Free Agency (or in later years, forced to comb each FA class to make sure all of the newly loaded players go back to where they came) then that would help immensely.

You'll likely find this is happening because in its preset timeline for historical games the game (as in OOTP) sees 1901 as kind of the start of the proper MLB and so resets itself to include all historical players who were in the league for this season. So any guys like Wagner and Lajoie who were IRL 1901 players will come back in as FAs or onto their historical teams depending on your chosen settings.

If you start in 1901 instead of 1900, I reckon you'd have a better chance of things working the way you want them to.

[Intrometic]

Sorry for a late reply, but I think these pictures should help (if I did it right)?

The first picture is right before the playoffs, where FA is empty. I'm doing this on a historical but only-fictional-players save starting in 1901 (based on luckymann's suggestion) where the Chicago White Sox almost blew a 3-1 lead to their hometown rivals in the Chicago Orphans, but they finally won out in game 7.

The Playoffs end, and there's this loading time where the game sets up the new rookies for the draft and supposedly loads the minor leagues and other things (?). After it is done, I look at the free agents' page where picture two is taken. All of the real players that I thought I'd deleted (by clearing the rosters into FA and using the "Delete all free agents" in the actions box) are now back here.

The interesting part of these "zombies" is that when I look at someone like Cy Young (see picture 4), the historical stats and info for this player don't include any part of 1901. This probably means that this Cy Young is the 1900 version (maybe it's the one I deleted in early April when setting up this experiment?), instead of the game creating a new Cy Young for 1902. I've tried this in many different eras, 1970, 1987, and 2022, yet it seems like it doesn't matter what year it is. Whenever I remove all of the league's players for a league that evolves with fictional characters plus historical rookies, they all rise again in late November for some reason.

The third picture is my league settings. I've tried this with recall on and off, but there's no difference in how the process goes. It's a bit weird since I haven't heard anyone talk about something like deleted players coming back from deletion in the forums yet

[LansdowneSt]

You only want fictional players going forward, correct? Uncheck import historical rookies, top right in the settings screenshot. Or do you want, for example, all the rookies from real life 1902 coming in etc as you move forward?

I’m still not sure why there is resurrection but I can see that toggle box on as a problem if you want no actual historical players but fictional ones instead in a real life historical context.

[Intrometic]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

You only want fictional players going forward, correct? Uncheck import historical rookies, top right in the settings screenshot. Or do you want, for example, all the rookies from real life 1902 coming in etc as you move forward?

I’m still not sure why there is resurrection but I can see that toggle box on as a problem if you want no actual historical players but fictional ones instead in a real life historical context.

Yeah, I was planning on doing the latter, entirely starting with fictional players with all the records (from the old 1800s players) cleaned out, but then great rookies like Ty Cobb would shock the league and create a new world of baseball. I also thought I could turn the rookies setting on and off if I wanted some fictional draft classes, so there could be a balance of historic and brand-new superstars running the league. That whole idea is ruined a bit when the old guys who I swore got deleted rise up and start yapping that they hold the ERA crown for something they "claimed" to do in 1885

[luckymann]

Sorry bud, could have sworn that was the problem but sadly not.

Interested to see if and how you get it sorted.

G

[Intrometic]

I found some more interesting info about the deleted players' reappearance. When I was first searching the web about how OOTP's deleted players work, I remember reading in the online manual that there was a "Purge" option for deleted players but I couldn't find where that option was. After searching the settings and rereading, I found it in the database part of Game Settings inside the actions box (pic 1). Since it seemed like the zombies were avoiding their deletion and popped back up in the offseason, this may be the way to send these guys out.

Unfortunately, after quickly setting up a new league with the same settings that my other experiments had, I tried the purge in early April & simulated to see the same loading database screen that led to Honus and crew chilling in November FA again. Even when purging all of the previously deleted guys when I emptied the rosters, the same procedure of automatically loading in all of the deleted historical players occurs no matter what setting, purge, or I do.

Whelp, I'm stuck.

There's no clear reason why this happens & no option on how to stop the 1900s players from being reloaded into a historical resim. I tried to check everything in both the game and league settings and made various saves throughout this investigation, but there's nothing else I can think of. Maybe some of the devs/moderator guys could check this zombie situation out?

[Reed]

Instead of deleting them can you “retire” them?

It’s been a couple years and I didn’t pay much attention to it at the time. It was about random leagues and on start up some star players come into league in their 30s. To get them to come in at their real debut age the solution was to delete them before they played any games and then later on they would reappear at their real debut age.