Card Error Thread
 

Hey guys!

Wanted to have a place to collect info on cards with errors.

Not so much graphical errors at this point, but mostly things like guys who throw too fast or not fast enough (especially for historical players), who were really gb pitchers but aren't listed as such by the game, who throw submarine in-game when they really didn't, or with other weird ratings generated by the algorithm that don't match their real-life abilities (Piazza having a great catcher rating f.e.).

What this isn't for is just for general disagreement with a player's overall rating or even individual ratings, more for stuff that's objectively or just obviously wrong.

Thanks!

Rickey henderson cards errors. I'm looking at his peak card with an outfield error rating of 34. Looking at his fielding stats lifetime he had 2 or 3 seasons of 10+ errors. Seems off

Just ran across Brett Butler with a bunt for hit rating that is essentially non-existent. If the automated ratings messed it up for him, I'm guessing it is wildly off for a lot of players.

I don't know who tracks bunt base hits anymore, but this article from Beyond the Boxscore covers ground for several of the bigger names that ought to be checked:
https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/20...ases-empty-mlb

Great article! Will take a look at this.

Love your username btw:thumbup:

I ran across an auction for 2002 Johnny Damon and had to laugh at his 101 outfield arm rating. That should probably be tuned down a lot.

Two card with Bob Welch and two different ratings. Trevor Williams is two for two. :ohmy::)
https://i.postimg.cc/YC9rF763/twins.jpg

While doing a league player search, I noticed that the same pitcher (and same card), will have different arm slots. For instance, in my current league, there are four Jose Alvarados. One has an over the top slot, two have normal 3//4 slots, and one is a submariner. How does that happen? Does it matter?

http://imgdb.kr/eBAf

rating is different from card image.

That shouldn't happen. No idea what might be going on there offhand. We'll have to keep an eye out for that.

Gary Sanchez is really overrated as a catcher. He has a reputation of being a bad catcher; especially when it comes to blocking the plate and not giving up passed balls and wild pitches. But his Catcher Ability is 50 (on the 20 to 80 scale) and his Catcher position rating is 65; which is better than Salvador Perez (catcher ability 55, position rating 60) who has won five Gold Gloves in the last five yeas.

So Salvador Perez may be underrated, too.

Not a bug so much as general housekeeping. The following players are missing data in the "Year" field of the Collection/Full List screen:

Mike Piazza Rookie Sensation
Johnny Damon All-Star
Dan Quisenberry All-Star
Ted Abernathy Record-Breaker
Carl Mays Unsung Heroes
Ace Adams Record-Breaker

Sanchez makes up for a lot with his arm, but I agree that a 50 is too high for him. I also agree that Perez is underrated defensively, however my card has him at 67 position, 58 for ability and 68 for arm.

Mark Fidrych still has two cards (Rookie-74 & One Hit Wonder-69) for 1976 with different pitching ratings.

I raised this issue during beta. Sanchez is overrated. In 2018, he had 18 passed balls and threw out only 30% of base stealers. By contrast, Perez had 4 passed balls, committed no errors, and threw out 48% of base stealers. Perez's zone rating was +7 (highest in the league), while Sanchez was -6 (second-lowest in the league). Yet Sanchez is rated 10 points higher defensively.

i am using the 20-80 rating scale. That's the difference in the ratings for Perez.

Catcher ability is about more than just passed balls though;)

That being said, I'd already dropped Sanchez a bit in the regular roster set, but that must've been after we created the card so the card did not reflect that. Fixed that now. Also boosted Perez a bit.

Thanks, Lukas. BTW, here's the latest on Sanchez as a catcher -- or not.

https://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf...es_future.html

When will the boosted Perez show up? I still see his card as the same (and am trying to make agonizing catching decisions lol).

Not until whenever we update the cards. Early next week I guess.

There are two Daniel Murphy cards, a 2018 live one with the Cubs and a 2016 All-Star card where his name is Dan T. Murphy … eh... why the different name? Nobody has ever called him Dan Murphy?

It's how he is in the historical db. You'd have to ask Spritze why (it's because of duplicate names, but not sure why Dan T. specifically).

Fixed it in PT anyway.

Some research shows four other major leaguers with the name Daniel Murphy. I assume that plays into it.

Are there any non-Live pitcher cards with a tendency of Groundball or Extreme Groundball? I have yet to find a single one [LATE EDIT: There is a Zach Britton 2016 All Star card with the same Extreme Groundball setting as his Live card, so there is at least one].

I do not even know if this rating makes a difference in game play, but assuming it does and that my anecdotal observations do reflect a certain amount of reality, is this something that might require reexamination?

disregard, figured it out

Mark Zagunis is listed as a catcher in his card title rather than a left fielder

Aaron Boone 2003 should be a 3B (and arguably a Yankee since that's what he was added for)

Ok, will fix that.

Kevin Brown (1998 version at least) is listed as a flyball pitcher? With his heavy sinker, I was expecting extreme groundballer.

I'm pretty sure he's not the only one in this situation.

One thing that may be complicating the issue for some players is when a pitcher relies on ground balls when he's on point but gives up fly balls when he's off his game. I don't know how the game would consider this profile.

Isn't that a problem with all historical players? They didn't even start tracking GB/FB rates until 2002.

I've been searching for ground ball pitchers, and I certainly have not found them all. However, based solely on what I have seen... Dan Quisenberry is the only player in this game (with 2 cards that I am aware of, 64 and 68 OVR) from before 2002 to have either GB or EXGB as their tendency. The only other historical cards I've seen to have them are a Zach Britton 2016 All Star and a 2013 Koji Uehara Record Breaker.

So yes, I think you are correct that this is a potential issue for all historic players.

Sweet Book!
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ne...de_to_Pitchers


From the back cover:

• A "dictionary" describing virtually every known pitch
• The origins and development of baseball's most important pitches
• Top ten lists: best fastballs, best spitballs, and everything in between
• Biographies of some of the great pitchers who have been overlooked
• More knuckleballers and submariners than you ever thought existed
• An open debate concerning pitcher abuse and durability
• A formula for predicting the Cy Young Award winner
• Something fresh and new: Bill James' "Pitcher Codes"

The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers is about understanding pitchers, and baseball's action always starts with the pitchers. It's also about entertaining debates and having a great deal of fun with the history of a game that obsesses so many.




It has a section that list hundreds of pitchers and what they threw.



You guys at OOTP should order a copy. Solid resource.

John McDonald's 2010 unsung hero card is ridiculous. No point in having the card if it doesn't resemble the player at all. The card has a 64 power rating and has three positional defensive ratings. 40 at 2b, 28 at 3b and 20 at SS!

John McDonald as an all glove no bat player. He played with the Jays that year and was fantastic as SS. A 20 rating at SS is horrible.

He also hit 6 of his career 28 home runs that year. 6 homers in 63 games. A 64 power rating but a 20 SS rating?

The Ted Abernathy card does not show its year when on the inactive list.

Stamina for Relievers/Closers
 

This may have been brought up somewhere before, but in case it hasn't...

Older relievers and closers don't get the stamina they should for the innings they pitched. At least into the 1980s it was common for star relievers/closers to pitch multiple innings, but I still see stamina in the 16-18 range on guys like that, making them the same stamina-wise as today's guys who think their arm might fall off if they pitch more than one inning.

Examples:
1979 Bruce Sutter
Stamina 17. Actual innings/games: 101.1 in 62 games

1977 Bruce Sutter
Stamina 16. Actual: 107.1 in 62

1976 Rollie Fingers
Stamina 17. Actual: 134.2 in 70

1963 Dick Radatz
Stamina 18. Actual: 132.1 in 66

I'm sure there's plenty more. It was nothing for those guys to pitch two, even three innings closing out games. Shouldn't their stamina be noticeably higher than guys like Kimbrel, Doolittle, etc. from today who sometimes don't even average one full inning per game over a season?

Will any of the cards with errors (i.e. Aaron Boone, Bob Hazle, etc.) in the patch on Monday (17-Dec)

Why does the Future Legend Jordan Hicks card list his position as a starting pitcher if his stamina is only 25?

Allowing such a low stamina as a start encourages bullpenning, a strategy the dev team has actively taken steps to minimize.

Chris Sale's perfect live card has him listed with a 78 splitter. He has thrown one split finger pitch in his career according to baseball savant. What he actually throws is a 4 seam fastball, a slider, a changeup and rarely a 2 seam fastball which is also considered a sinker. I know that 2 seam fastballs (sinkers) and split fingers sometime resemble each other, but Sale's does not. They actually look more like misread 4 seam fastballs. He's really a 3 pitch pitcher with a slightly different fastball at times.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...r-pitching-mlb (scroll down to pitch tracking)

Yeah, this is wrong in the regular OOTP db as well. We'll fix it for next year, but for now will probably keep it as is, since we're trying to limit the amount of changes we make to the cards now.

His peak card seems off to me on the offensive side too. Just pulled one from a pack, was pretty stoked I found my leadoff guy! until I saw the ratings...

Contact and power seem fine, but for a guy 2nd all time in walks, with a 400 career OBP, doesn't 69 eye seem kinda low? I feel like he should be elite there. My understanding is "peak" cards are based on five years from the year listed...his is 1990. Here are his rankings in MLB for BB% those years:

1988: 16th
1989: 2nd
1990: 3rd
1991: 2nd
1992: 3rd

Only one year outside the top 3 best in MLB. If that isn't elite eye, what is?

Then on the strikeout side, his K rate was significantly below league average during his peak years, yet he's got just a 47 rating in avoid K's. In 1990 his K rate was 10% compared to league average of 15%, and the surrounding years are similar. I'm not saying he should be elite on that, but well above average.

Basically it just seems like his skill of putting up elite BB/K ratios (super important for leadoff hitters) is not captured properly.

Adonis Medina seems borked. LHB stuff rating is 45; RHB stuff is 99. I've seen major splits before, but this seems off. Please check and Happy New Year!

Hey! Glad to see there was actually a place to post about this issue. I was wondering why my Future Legend Forrest Whitley (78) had such extreme L/R splits when I noticed that the game had him listed as a submarine pitcher. If you look at any of his prospect highlights, this clearly is not the case.

Bought a pack and one card was blank
 

Hello,

Just bought a few packs and when one was opening the last car came out all blue and had no player attached to it. My user name is dmendel.

Thanks,
David

That happened to me once a week or so ago. Odd. It was diamond color. I assume I still got a diamond player but never was completely sure.. :crying:

Just pulled a Future Legend SP Jordan Hicks 89 and was really excited because my rotation is my downfall.

Open the card and he has a 25 stamina? Seriously?

Went from being thrilled to pissed in no time flat.

2 Cards same Year Different Ratings
 

I've noticed a few cards for players that have different categories (Historical All Star, Top WAR) for the same year but different ratings. Is this by design? I would have thought if the cards represented the same year that the ratings should be the same.

Examples:
Steve Carlton
Lefty Grove

Thanks -

Example of 2 Cards from Same Year
 

Here's an example of what I was describing above; both cards are for Red Faber from 1921; however, the ratings are different. If they're both based on the same year, why would the ratings be different?

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It's basically working as designed. A bit complicated as to why the ratings are a little different.

It's not necessarily a diamond, just a card of some type. It's pretty surely in your reserve or inactive cards, but if you'll want to look through all the card types to find it.

There is another thread about the perfect Barry Bonds 2002 card, and I have to agree something looks off with his L/R splits. He murdered lefties that year to a ridiculous degree (even better than he murdered righties) but his lefty splits are much weaker on the card.