Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack

[Dto7]

Originally Posted by Chickazoola

The problem remains that I don't have confirmation that the major leaguer and the John O'Connor I found an image of are the same guy. Circumstantially, I think it is a strong case, but I lack the smoking gun. I will check with the Bio committee.

From the July 10, 1916 Boston Globe

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by cinemaodyssey

The Facepack image does not picture Johnny O'Connor but rather Dick O'Connor playing for Fall River in 1914. The Chicago newspaper labeled O'Connor a "Boston boy" but his baseball reference page tells us he attended the University of Illinois. I haven't found a record of him in the yearbooks under that name, though there is a Charles Andrew O'Connor there in 1911-1912. O'Connor did play for the Chicago Bankers League in 1916 with the First Nationals. I do not have a photo of him as of yet.

Originally Posted by Chickazoola

Okay, just spent some time on this guy and I think it is a man named John Charles O'Connor aka Johnny or Okey. Best as I can tell, the bb-ref ID is correct, there is an ancestry profile that matches quite well and has him in Boston in the 1910's. He played for Boston English High School in 1910 and was a teammate of future Red Sox Hal Janvrin. He was a semi-pro catcher in Boston area and played of York Beach squad. He was pictured in a team photo in the August 19, 1915 Boston Globe.

I wouldn't say it's definitive, but I think it is the guy.

Originally Posted by Chickazoola

The problem remains that I don't have confirmation that the major leaguer and the John O'Connor I found an image of are the same guy. Circumstantially, I think it is a strong case, but I lack the smoking gun. I will check with the Bio committee.

Originally Posted by Dto7

I found these, 1st one 1913 and 2nd 1915

Originally Posted by Dto7

From the July 10, 1916 Boston Globe

Great teamwork, guys! Thank you!

[Terry D]

Originally Posted by DeweyintheHall

Anything out there of Kinnunen with the Twinkies?

It's taken a long time but here are a couple images (team photos) of Kinnunen as a Twin.

[DeweyintheHall]

Originally Posted by Terry D

It's taken a long time but here are a couple images (team photos) of Kinnunen as a Twin.

Outstanding! Thanks. They both look like team issues or something local - any idea of what they are? Surprised they've taken this long to surface.

[Cusick]

Want to add my thanks to Chickazoola and Dto7 for their findings of photos and info about Johnny C. O'Connor, as well as to Cinemaodyssey for questioning the FacePack photo in the first place. I believe the existing FacePack photo, which is also the one used for O'Connor on baseball-reference.com, came from Marc Okkonen's book, 2000 CUPS OF COFFEE. Marc had a question about whether it was a valid photo of O'Connor, but he didn't have the benefit of the on-line newspaper archives that we have today. Even with those archives, it takes a great deal of skill and dedication to dig up photos of an obscure guy with a common name like O'Connor, and I commend those who undertook this effort.

[cinemaodyssey]

Chickazoola has brought to my attention that the Edwards that is listed on Baseball Reference and is pictured below in the Facepack is not the player that actually played on September 17, 1915 for the Philadelphia A's. The Philadelphia Evening Public Ledger of that date states that the player was likely playing under a pseudonym and was from Chicago. They also thought he was a collegiate player. None of that fits the profile of a "Ralph Edwards" who is listed as 32 years old during that game.

[Cusick]

I wouldn't move so fast in jumping to the conclusion that the player's name wasn't really Ralph Edwards.

The letter below, written in 1991, was from player Ralph Edwards' son, Ralph Jr., to Bill Haber, who was one of SABR's best biographical researchers. Haber died in 1995. This copy of the letter was acquired by baseball photo collector Lefty Blasco (also a SABR member), who passed it on to me. Lefty is also deceased now.

The full name of Ralph Jr.'s father corresponds to the name used by baseball-reference. So does the place of birth. The date of death is off only by two days.

Along with the letter, Lefty sent me a photo of Ralph Edwards, which I'm also attaching. It's not the same as the one used in FacePack and on baseball-reference, but there's enough of a resemblance that it could be the same player.

[Terry D]

Originally Posted by DeweyintheHall

Outstanding! Thanks. They both look like team issues or something local - any idea of what they are? Surprised they've taken this long to surface.

Yes, they are both team issues I believe. The one on the left is purportedly a J.D. McCarthy shot. The other first surfaced in a poorly colorized fan-card version on a Twins fan site which I think may now be defunct. I was very glad to find it in its original form.


And I STILL can't find that Paul Mirabella Orioles shot in my files. Drives me nuts.

[Chickazoola]

Originally Posted by Cusick

I wouldn't move so fast in jumping to the conclusion that the player's name wasn't really Ralph Edwards.

The letter below, written in 1991, was from player Ralph Edwards' son, Ralph Jr., to Bill Haber, who was one of SABR's best biographical researchers. Haber died in 1995. This copy of the letter was acquired by baseball photo collector Lefty Blasco (also a SABR member), who passed it on to me. Lefty is also deceased now.

The full name of Ralph Jr.'s father corresponds to the name used by baseball-reference. So does the place of birth. The date of death is off only by two days.

Along with the letter, Lefty sent me a photo of Ralph Edwards, which I'm also attaching. It's not the same as the one used in FacePack and on baseball-reference, but there's enough of a resemblance that it could be the same player.

Thanks for this Cusick. I have no doubt the photo in the Facepack is Ralph Strunk Edwards, the question is whether it was Ralph Strunk Edwards who appeared for the Athletics in 1915. Peter Morris tipped me to the fact that ID was likely incorrect, based on what was known about the candidate. Every note I found describes him as a recruit from the Chicago City League. To my knowledge that doesn't fit Ralph Strunk Edwards. I will spend some time on it today.

I just received his player file from the Hall of Fame, but it contains nothing of note. I also received the Johnny O'Connor file, and it contains a whole lot of great correspondence from Bill Haber that confirms the ID is correct.

[Cusick]

Thanks, Chickazoola, for the confirmation on Johnny O'Connor.

[DeweyintheHall]

Doing a Google search for a 1984 Dodgers Team Photo yielded this great photo of their '84 pitching staff (gotta love Zachry and Hershiser), and even better this Flickr assortment from the "Jerry Reuss Collection" - I don't think there are whales or unicorns to be found (I haven't made it through all the images yet), but nevertheless these are some great baseball images. I have no idea what the connection is to Jerry - some of the images have nothing to do with him. Is he a professional photographer?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jerryr...n/photostream/

[DeweyintheHall]

Just completed a 1984 project and am still in need of the following images:
Jeff Moronko, Indians
Jerry Ujder, Indians
Jamie Quirk, White Sox
Luis Pujols, Royals
Mike Torrez, A's
Porfirio Altamirano, Cubs
Ron Johnson, Expos
Tony Scott, Expos

As always, many thanks for whatever assistance can be provided and Happy Holidays to all!

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by DeweyintheHall

Just completed a 1984 project and am still in need of the following images:
Jeff Moronko, Indians

As always, many thanks for whatever assistance can be provided and Happy Holidays to all!

1984 Indians

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by DeweyintheHall

Just completed a 1984 project and am still in need of the following images:

Porfirio Altamirano, Cubs

As always, many thanks for whatever assistance can be provided and Happy Holidays to all!

Cusick and FatJack shared Altamirano/Cubs images previously.

[DeweyintheHall]

Thanks for Moronko and Porfi!

[Terry D]

Originally Posted by DeweyintheHall

Just completed a 1984 project and am still in need of the following images:
Jeff Moronko, Indians
Jerry Ujder, Indians
Jamie Quirk, White Sox
Luis Pujols, Royals
Mike Torrez, A's
Porfirio Altamirano, Cubs
Ron Johnson, Expos
Tony Scott, Expos

As always, many thanks for whatever assistance can be provided and Happy Holidays to all!

As far as I know, Torrez, Ron Johnson, and Pujols are still among the '84 missing. (Beware of an image which purports to be Pujols as a Royal--it's actually a PS job of a Fleer Astros card.) Tony Scott made the '85 Topps set with the Expos. I thought Ujdur had appeared in Topps Vault with the Tribe and that I had saved the image, but I can't find it and my mind may be playing tricks again. Quirk has been posted here as an Indian: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...rk#post4543040

[DeweyintheHall]

Originally Posted by Terry D

As far as I know, Torrez, Ron Johnson, and Pujols are still among the '84 missing. (Beware of an image which purports to be Pujols as a Royal--it's actually a PS job of a Fleer Astros card.) Tony Scott made the '85 Topps set with the Royals. I thought Ujdur had appeared in Topps Vault with the Tribe and that I had saved the image, but I can't find it and my mind may be playing tricks again. Quirk has been posted here as an Indian: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...rk#post4543040

Thanks. Not a bad one-game career Quirk had with the Indians, huh?

[brobby05]

Merry Christmas Guys!

Would any of you guys have a larger version of this Tom Burgmeier photo? This one's 400x492.

Happy New Year too, & thanks!

BRobby05

[infieldfly]

Originally Posted by brobby05

Merry Christmas Guys!

Would any of you guys have a larger version of this Tom Burgmeier photo? This one's 400x492.

Happy New Year too, & thanks!

BRobby05

I don't have a larger one but I did pass this one through the Remini app. Does a better job on the face than the uniform and the dirt.

[infieldfly]

Originally Posted by infieldfly

I don't have a larger one but I did pass this one through the Remini app. Does a better job on the face than the uniform and the dirt.

Here's another alternative. This one was run through Gigapixel AI. Face might not be quite as good as with the Remini app but it is better (I think) with everything else.