"Team x does not have enough players"

fauteuil7 · 05-31-2006, 02:58 PM

...or something a long those lines. I'm doing a historical league with full minors so I changed the performance equivilancies to make the fictional players at least half as good as the real ones on the major league roster...but occasionally during the beginning of the season the sim stops and tells me that this team or other has an illegal number of players. So I fill the league with fictional players, and then the same thing happens a couple of days later. Is there a smarter way of getting this to work?

Markus Heinsohn · 05-31-2006, 03:00 PM

Yeah, that seems to be a rare occurance... it'll be one of the first things I'll look at tomorrow

ScottZ · 05-31-2006, 03:04 PM

I got a similar error where a single A level team fell below the minimum number of Pitcher (3), although the team had 12 pitchers on its roster. I was running a single table 16-tame league with AAA, AA, A, A, and rookie leagues attached

fauteuil7 · 05-31-2006, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yeah, that seems to be a rare occurance... it'll be one of the first things I'll look at tomorrow

Thanks Markus...I'm not even looking at the individual teams, and it only seems to be happening in spring training. If I notice anything else specific to this problem I'll post it here.

Luis_Rivera · 05-31-2006, 07:48 PM

Mark me down as another having this problem. Every single time I start in 1903 with full minors.

fatuil - I don't understand what you did to the equivalencies??

Geebob · 05-31-2006, 08:06 PM

It seems like the problem is that all the players regularly are being called up to Spring training.

Import Historical League
Add Minor Leagues
Game will stop around April 1 with the illegal number of players bug

As reported above, adding fictional players does not help, as they are just called up within a day or two.

Oh well... I needed a break anyway!

I figured starting my second league on the first day of release was asking too much!!

Geebob · 05-31-2006, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

fatuil - I don't understand what you did to the equivalencies??

I believe he's saying that he screwed down the "player creation modifiers" to make sure the fictional players weren't better than the historical players.

According to the guide, minor league equivalencies are already reduced, so my guess is that 50% on the player creation modifiers might result in some really bad minor leaguers.

Tiger Fan · 05-31-2006, 08:31 PM

And here is a solution. At least it worked for me and should for you if your problem was in a league with historical players and a fictional minor league attached to it.

You may need to start a new league to get this to work but if you go to league setup for the parent historical major league and under the rules section enable the Expanded Roster and Secondary Roster size (I set both of mine to 40 man) the problem will not occur.

This will do the trick until Markus can find us an automatic fix.

Comedian2004 · 05-31-2006, 08:49 PM

I have battled this issue all though the beta. It usually happens in the early years, so at the start of the season, you have to go fill the minors.

Make sure you click on each minor league and hit FILL WITH FICTION...

After a few seasons, the problem would pretty much go away.

Part of the issue is that we are setting low modifiers, so the computer is creating lousy players. So the players do not stick around as long in the minors.

My suggestions was on Jan. 1st, have the minors autofill with fictional players based on your modifiers. This of course would be an option that you would have to turn on. At least this way, I could sim 20 years with no stoppage.

BTW, it is usually the lowest level of the minors that has the problem. As the higher levels grab players from the lower levels to fill in.

Geebob · 05-31-2006, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger Fan

And here is a solution. At least it worked for me and should for you if your problem was in a league with historical players and a fictional minor league attached to it...

The fix works perfectly. Currently I've run through two Spring Training sessions without problems (I like to let the league "mature" a little before I jump in and play). Since I play in the modern era anyway, I can live with this workaround.

Thanks TF!

darkcloud4579 · 06-01-2006, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger Fan

And here is a solution. At least it worked for me and should for you if your problem was in a league with historical players and a fictional minor league attached to it.

You may need to start a new league to get this to work but if you go to league setup for the parent historical major league and under the rules section enable the Expanded Roster and Secondary Roster size (I set both of mine to 40 man) the problem will not occur.

This will do the trick until Markus can find us an automatic fix.

This worked. Thanks for posting this.

Le Grande Orange · 06-01-2006, 04:47 AM

Something else to recall for folks doing historical leagues in combination with minors is the schedule situation with your minor leagues.

There's a good chance for incongruity there unless you carefully set your minor league schedule lengths and opening dates.

By default, when you start a historical league, the game will load the actual major league original schedule for that year (and will load the actual schedule for subsequent years as well). But your minor leagues will likely be using the game's schedule generator to create their schedules and I believe the default starting date is April 1st. This will not match the opening date for the major leagues; indeed, in most years it will be about two weeks early.

Not only that, but the style and calendar length of schedule created by the schedule generator for the minors will be considerably different from what the actual minors might have used in that season.

So, my advice is to carefully consider the schedules for your minor leagues when using minors in a historical league and to double-check your schedule settings for your minor leagues.

...and this was post #3400 for me! Woot!

gordyhulten · 06-01-2006, 10:28 AM

I'm having this problem too, in a fictional league that I'm trying to run from 1901-2005. Some years, on April 1, the sim stops because one or more teams has an incomplete roster.

I'll try the workaround, but I'm also going to try to make sure that the affiliated minor-league seasons all begin at a later date than the Major League season. I'll let you know how that goes.

Marc Duffy · 06-01-2006, 10:35 AM

Fixed for patch 1

Craig Scarborough · 06-01-2006, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

Fixed for patch 1

Just an FYI: this has me dead in the water for my startup fictional league. I'm not doing any historical, but I still have a rookie league team with only one pitcher on their roster. Oh, and I tried the fix - my league was already set-up with those attributes.

Ramzavail · 06-01-2006, 11:56 AM

I'm dead as well.

swampdragon · 06-01-2006, 12:40 PM

I'm getting the same type of problem, omly my bottom teams don't have position players. I think the problem is that the bottom teams aren't signing free agents to replace the vacancies caused by demand from the top, because the higher teams send players down. Problem is, they're not sending the right kind of players down. So what needs to happen is for the rookie team to release the surplus players (I've got a team at the bottom with 20 pitchers) and sign the positions they need from the free agency pool. I'm slowly learning how to do this myself as commissioner, but with 12 leagues and 8 teams per league that's not a horribly practical solution.

Marc Duffy · 06-01-2006, 12:46 PM

All I can do is apologise and say that this issue is fixed in the patch

spraybottle · 06-01-2006, 12:49 PM

Thanks Tiger Fan. I was actually finally starting to enjoy myself after spending hours screaming at my computer trying to learn the new interface when I started getting that error but your workaround seems to have done the trick. Thanks again.

treedom · 06-01-2006, 12:57 PM

Ach! I just got hit by this too....for a AA team. Glad to hear it's fixed though.

05-31-2006, 02:58 PM	#1
fauteuil7 Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 356	"Team x does not have enough players" ...or something a long those lines. I'm doing a historical league with full minors so I changed the performance equivilancies to make the fictional players at least half as good as the real ones on the major league roster...but occasionally during the beginning of the season the sim stops and tells me that this team or other has an illegal number of players. So I fill the league with fictional players, and then the same thing happens a couple of days later. Is there a smarter way of getting this to work?

05-31-2006, 08:06 PM	#6
Geebob Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mwaaakee, WI Posts: 128	darn greedy big league clubs... It seems like the problem is that all the players regularly are being called up to Spring training. Import Historical League Add Minor Leagues Game will stop around April 1 with the illegal number of players bug As reported above, adding fictional players does not help, as they are just called up within a day or two. Oh well... I needed a break anyway! I figured starting my second league on the first day of release was asking too much!! __________________ DDBL: Langlade __________________________________________ Are deaths always avenged? Is there a deserving consequence for every act of evil? Maybe in television, but in life, I'm not sure. Mengele died on a beach in South America, P-a-u-l -W-o-l-f-o-w-i-t-z and Donald Rumsfeld still have paying jobs and, oh yeah, the Baltimore Orioles have to play baseball in the same division with the Red Sox and Yankees. So... *David Simon (creator of Homocide* and The Wire) on the HBO Message Board**

05-31-2006, 08:31 PM	#8
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 9,715	And here is a solution. At least it worked for me and should for you if your problem was in a league with historical players and a fictional minor league attached to it. You may need to start a new league to get this to work but if you go to league setup for the parent historical major league and under the rules section enable the Expanded Roster and Secondary Roster size (I set both of mine to 40 man) the problem will not occur. This will do the trick until Markus can find us an automatic fix. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles

05-31-2006, 08:49 PM	#9
Comedian2004 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In a house in Saint Cloud, Florida. Posts: 7,085	I have battled this issue all though the beta. It usually happens in the early years, so at the start of the season, you have to go fill the minors. Make sure you click on each minor league and hit FILL WITH FICTION... After a few seasons, the problem would pretty much go away. Part of the issue is that we are setting low modifiers, so the computer is creating lousy players. So the players do not stick around as long in the minors. My suggestions was on Jan. 1st, have the minors autofill with fictional players based on your modifiers. This of course would be an option that you would have to turn on. At least this way, I could sim 20 years with no stoppage. BTW, it is usually the lowest level of the minors that has the problem. As the higher levels grab players from the lower levels to fill in. __________________ Like BLUES? Visit www.smokestacklightnin.com, you will LOVE it! New show every Monday!! New Blues HOF![/COLOR][/FONT]

06-01-2006, 10:28 AM	#13
gordyhulten All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,175	I'm having this problem too, in a fictional league that I'm trying to run from 1901-2005. Some years, on April 1, the sim stops because one or more teams has an incomplete roster. I'll try the workaround, but I'm also going to try to make sure that the affiliated minor-league seasons all begin at a later date than the Major League season. I'll let you know how that goes. __________________ Gordy Hulten Owner / General Manager Red Willow Roadrunners -- Kennel Series Champions: 1951, 1959, 1964, 1965, 1972, 1975, 1980, 1982, 1983 Dog Days Baseball - "The World's Best Online OOTP League" Creator inactive: Republican League - OOTP 2009 Dynasty inactive: Republican League Dynasty - Version 2.0 inactive: Republican League Dynasty

05-31-2006, 03:00 PM	#2
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	Yeah, that seems to be a rare occurance... it'll be one of the first things I'll look at tomorrow

05-31-2006, 03:04 PM	#3
ScottZ Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 221	I got a similar error where a single A level team fell below the minimum number of Pitcher (3), although the team had 12 pitchers on its roster. I was running a single table 16-tame league with AAA, AA, A, A, and rookie leagues attached __________________ Scott Z - No longer a long suffering Red Sox fan

05-31-2006, 07:48 PM	#5
Luis_Rivera Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,177	Mark me down as another having this problem. Every single time I start in 1903 with full minors. fatuil - I don't understand what you did to the equivalencies??

06-01-2006, 04:47 AM	#12
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	Something else to recall for folks doing historical leagues in combination with minors is the schedule situation with your minor leagues. There's a good chance for incongruity there unless you carefully set your minor league schedule lengths and opening dates. By default, when you start a historical league, the game will load the actual major league original schedule for that year (and will load the actual schedule for subsequent years as well). But your minor leagues will likely be using the game's schedule generator to create their schedules and I believe the default starting date is April 1st. This will not match the opening date for the major leagues; indeed, in most years it will be about two weeks early. Not only that, but the style and calendar length of schedule created by the schedule generator for the minors will be considerably different from what the actual minors might have used in that season. So, my advice is to carefully consider the schedules for your minor leagues when using minors in a historical league and to double-check your schedule settings for your minor leagues. ...and this was post #3400 for me! Woot!

06-01-2006, 10:35 AM	#14
Marc Duffy SI Marketing Wizard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Old Street, London Posts: 4,741	Fixed for patch 1

06-01-2006, 11:56 AM	#16
Ramzavail All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NY Posts: 610	I'm dead as well.

06-01-2006, 12:40 PM	#17
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	I'm getting the same type of problem, omly my bottom teams don't have position players. I think the problem is that the bottom teams aren't signing free agents to replace the vacancies caused by demand from the top, because the higher teams send players down. Problem is, they're not sending the right kind of players down. So what needs to happen is for the rookie team to release the surplus players (I've got a team at the bottom with 20 pitchers) and sign the positions they need from the free agency pool. I'm slowly learning how to do this myself as commissioner, but with 12 leagues and 8 teams per league that's not a horribly practical solution. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

06-01-2006, 12:46 PM	#18
Marc Duffy SI Marketing Wizard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Old Street, London Posts: 4,741	All I can do is apologise and say that this issue is fixed in the patch

06-01-2006, 12:49 PM	#19
spraybottle Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 56	Thanks Tiger Fan. I was actually finally starting to enjoy myself after spending hours screaming at my computer trying to learn the new interface when I started getting that error but your workaround seems to have done the trick. Thanks again.

06-01-2006, 12:57 PM	#20
treedom Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Transylvania Posts: 2,900	Ach! I just got hit by this too....for a AA team. Glad to hear it's fixed though. __________________ A rake and a roustabout. Last edited by treedom; 06-01-2006 at 12:59 PM.