My contribution to the OOTP world

gohorns98 · 05-31-2006, 08:16 PM

Well, I can't do much, but I can try to help out those who want to play historical leagues in OOTP2006. This database includes 22,690 teams in 2965 leagues. Also included is a list of 1395 leagues which I do not have team data for. There are 2 versions of the database. One is in CSV format and the other is an excel database. I have concentrated on minor leagues in America though some international data is included (Mexico, Japan, etc.). I hope you enjoy it and find it useful. If you can help contribute to the data please let me know.

I must thank fmontoya for hosting these files at www.allsimbaseball.com.

excel version

csv version

Jason · 05-31-2006, 09:22 PM

Nicely done!

toadfreak7 · 05-31-2006, 10:10 PM

not really sure what to do with this database. sounds interesting though, whatever it is. clarification?

gohorns98 · 05-31-2006, 10:16 PM

The database can be used to create historical minor league teams for your universe. It also provides a covenient place to find affiliations of minor league teams, nicknames of teams, and leagues for a particular year. In my experience most historical simers want realism in their recreations. This database will help in that endeavor.

Markmeister · 05-31-2006, 10:29 PM

I have a book on the Southern Association, So I can help with these missing years

First off: from 1885 to 1899 was called the Southern League. The Southern Association started in 1901, in the mid-1930's they tied their history to the Southern League.

Your missing years:

1884 - did not exist

1889 - a complete mess / no nicknames listed
New Orleans
Charleston (folded 6/15/1889, moved to Atlanta 6/24/1889)
Chattanooga
Birmingham (folded 5/15/1889, replaced by Mobile 5/16/1889)
Atlanta (folded 6/12/1889)
Memphis (folded 6/12/1889)

1899
Mobile Blackbirds
Shreveport Tigers
New Orleans Pelicans
Montgomery (no nickname listed, folded 5/1/1899)
Dallas Steers (replaced Montgomery)

1900 - did not exist

gohorns98 · 05-31-2006, 10:47 PM

Thanks for the information. What book do you have?

When deciding what to name a league I tried to go with the excepted naming that SABR used if possible. Many leagues of that era were also refered to as Associations. This meant that I ran into conflicting data while researching.

toadfreak7 · 06-01-2006, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gohorns98

The database can be used to create historical minor league teams for your universe. It also provides a covenient place to find affiliations of minor league teams, nicknames of teams, and leagues for a particular year. In my experience most historical simers want realism in their recreations. This database will help in that endeavor.

Thanks for the more info. 2 more questions:

Are we supposed to use it in conjunction with the Lahman? or separately?

Does it have all the minor league players? It would seem that would be too huge a task to complete, so I'm guessing it's just team names and stuff?

gohorns98 · 06-01-2006, 06:42 PM

Minor League Player information is relatively hard to come by, and almost impossible to find in any format that could be added to Lahman's database. Outside of manually entering the data from old guides, this is impossible.

This database is best used as an addition to a historical simulation. While trying to set up historical minor leagues. This database will give the information that is needed.

Markmeister · 06-01-2006, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gohorns98

Thanks for the information. What book do you have?

"The Southern Association in Baseball 1885 -1961" by Marshall D. Wright

05-31-2006, 08:16 PM	#1
gohorns98 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Flower Mound, TX Posts: 194	My contribution to the OOTP world Well, I can't do much, but I can try to help out those who want to play historical leagues in OOTP2006. This database includes 22,690 teams in 2965 leagues. Also included is a list of 1395 leagues which I do not have team data for. There are 2 versions of the database. One is in CSV format and the other is an excel database. I have concentrated on minor leagues in America though some international data is included (Mexico, Japan, etc.). I hope you enjoy it and find it useful. If you can help contribute to the data please let me know. I must thank fmontoya for hosting these files at www.allsimbaseball.com. excel version csv version

05-31-2006, 10:29 PM	#5
Markmeister Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 463	I have a book on the Southern Association, So I can help with these missing years First off: from 1885 to 1899 was called the Southern League. The Southern Association started in 1901, in the mid-1930's they tied their history to the Southern League. Your missing years: 1884 - did not exist 1889 - a complete mess / no nicknames listed New Orleans Charleston (folded 6/15/1889, moved to Atlanta 6/24/1889) Chattanooga Birmingham (folded 5/15/1889, replaced by Mobile 5/16/1889) Atlanta (folded 6/12/1889) Memphis (folded 6/12/1889) 1899 Mobile Blackbirds Shreveport Tigers New Orleans Pelicans Montgomery (no nickname listed, folded 5/1/1899) Dallas Steers (replaced Montgomery) 1900 - did not exist __________________ It's not that baseball has ever had a shortage of ways to embarrass yourself -- dropping an easy flyball, being the one guy Heathcliff Slocumb actually struck out, realizing you're Bud Selig... Jersey style logos Vintage letter logos Vintage uniforms Last edited by Markmeister; 05-31-2006 at 10:33 PM.

05-31-2006, 09:22 PM	#2
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,840 Blog Entries: 3	Nicely done!

05-31-2006, 10:10 PM	#3
toadfreak7 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 296	not really sure what to do with this database. sounds interesting though, whatever it is. clarification?

05-31-2006, 10:16 PM	#4
gohorns98 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Flower Mound, TX Posts: 194	The database can be used to create historical minor league teams for your universe. It also provides a covenient place to find affiliations of minor league teams, nicknames of teams, and leagues for a particular year. In my experience most historical simers want realism in their recreations. This database will help in that endeavor.

05-31-2006, 10:47 PM	#6
gohorns98 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Flower Mound, TX Posts: 194	Thanks for the information. What book do you have? When deciding what to name a league I tried to go with the excepted naming that SABR used if possible. Many leagues of that era were also refered to as Associations. This meant that I ran into conflicting data while researching.

06-01-2006, 06:42 PM	#8
gohorns98 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Flower Mound, TX Posts: 194	Minor League Player information is relatively hard to come by, and almost impossible to find in any format that could be added to Lahman's database. Outside of manually entering the data from old guides, this is impossible. This database is best used as an addition to a historical simulation. While trying to set up historical minor leagues. This database will give the information that is needed.