Opening Day for ML Teams - Overriden by Parent Schedule?

[thbroman]

I have tried several times to set up my two lowest-level minor-league clubs (the Rookie League and the Short-Season "A" squads) to start after the ammy draft on June 15, but for some reason they revert to the parent team's schedule and go on April 1 instead. I posted the correct starting date for each league in the Game set-up pages, and yes, I DID remember to uncheck the box that told the game to look for a matching xml file. In fact, I suspect that an xml file may be responsible for this problem, because I had previously renamed 5 major league schedule from the late 1960s-early 1970s to provide more realistic schedules for my major-league team. Is it possible that actually having a schedule (or 5) in the \schedules folder that the game can idenitfy somehow overrides the setting of a separate start date for the minor-league teams?

Hope that someone can help. A small problem, but no less annoying for all that.

[gmo]

If you have the setting deactivated to adjust the start date if matching XML schedule found, then whatever (if anything) for the start date is in the file is not used. You did set those start dates later in the process of creating the league and not after, correct?

What did you set for the number of games for those leagues' schedules? What is the configuration of those leagues (subleagues/divisions/teams)?

[thbroman]

Originally Posted by gmo

If you have the setting deactivated to adjust the start date if matching XML schedule found, then whatever (if anything) for the start date is in the file is not used. You did set those start dates later in the process of creating the league and not after, correct?

What did you set for the number of games for those leagues' schedules? What is the configuration of those leagues (subleagues/divisions/teams)?

Well, now I can't remember for certain that the later dates were set during the initial league set-up or whether I set them right after the initial draft but still in "preseason." But should that matter? You're supposed to be able to change a league's opnening day before spring training starts. Anyway, the start dates were June 20, and both leagues had the same structrure as the parent league, not surprisingly, which was 24 teams, 2 sub-leagues, 4 divisions. I can't remember what the number of games were -- it's whatever those two leagues default to -- something like 60 games or so.

[gmo]

Originally Posted by thbroman

Well, now I can't remember for certain that the later dates were set during the initial league set-up or whether I set them right after the initial draft but still in "preseason." But should that matter? You're supposed to be able to change a league's opnening day before spring training starts.

Actually in the game it does matter. The start date information is not applied the moment it is changed, it is used the next time a schedule is imported or generated. If you want to change the start date after creation of the league, you can, but you would have to import or create another schedule for those settings to take hold.

[battists]

I know this is a complicated issue, but could you please confirm whether GMO's suggestions enabled you to accomplish what you wish?

Thanks,

Steve

[thbroman]

Originally Posted by gmo

Actually in the game it does matter. The start date information is not applied the moment it is changed, it is used the next time a schedule is imported or generated. If you want to change the start date after creation of the league, you can, but you would have to import or create another schedule for those settings to take hold.

Sigh --
The subtle logic of computers still evades me sometimes, but I think I get your point.
How 'bout I change the minor-leagues' start dates during the next "pre-season" and THEN import the schedules I am using for my league? At the moment there are no imported schedules: I renamed a few of the historical schedules as per your advice in that other column and the game now does a fine jos of seeking them out in the \schedules folder and using them. Is your suggestion now that the schedules have to be actively imported into the import-export folder after I re-set the minor-league start dates? Can I import a short series (5) of such schedules without unduly taxing the game? I would presume so, but see my note above about computer logic . . . .

[gmo]

Originally Posted by thbroman

Sigh --
The subtle logic of computers still evades me sometimes, but I think I get your point.
How 'bout I change the minor-leagues' start dates during the next "pre-season" and THEN import the schedules I am using for my league? At the moment there are no imported schedules: I renamed a few of the historical schedules as per your advice in that other column and the game now does a fine jos of seeking them out in the \schedules folder and using them. Is your suggestion now that the schedules have to be actively imported into the import-export folder after I re-set the minor-league start dates? Can I import a short series (5) of such schedules without unduly taxing the game? I would presume so, but see my note above about computer logic . . . .

Okay, you have a handful of schedules named to fit your league configuration in your schedules folder. At the start of the preseason, yes, set those start dates as you want them then go to the Schedule Editor screen and import one of those. Back on the League Setup > Options screen under schedule options it should show the name of the imported file. Then after you sim through to the next season the next schedule file in the list you put in the schedules folder should show up there at the start of that next preseason.

[thbroman]

Originally Posted by gmo

Okay, you have a handful of schedules named to fit your league configuration in your schedules folder. At the start of the preseason, yes, set those start dates as you want them then go to the Schedule Editor screen and import one of those. Back on the League Setup > Options screen under schedule options it should show the name of the imported file. Then after you sim through to the next season the next schedule file in the list you put in the schedules folder should show up there at the start of that next preseason.

Check, and thanks. I'll do that and report the results here.

[thbroman]

Back again. At the end of a completed season during the "offseason," the schedule for the two minor-league teams that I want to change to a later start date (June 20) are blank. That's relevant, because no matter what I do it stays that way. I tried three different things:

1) Nothing. I simmed forward to the preseason and checked the minors' schedules. Nothing there.

2) I then tried re-setting the minors' schedules during the offseason, importing a schedule for the ML team and moving forward into the preseason. Still nothing.

3) Then I tried simming to the start of preseason, resetting the minor league start dates and then importing a schedule for the ML team. Still nothing.

So there seems to be no alternative to getting the starting dates right when you establish the league. It's possible that some funky combination of balanced schedule and/or all-star game stuff (I didn'ty uncheck any of the minors' boxes) would retrieve this situation, but from where I stand it looks kind of hopeless.

So whoever next writes a how-to guide on how to set up a league should be sure to add that one thing you have to do at the beginning is get your starting dates right!

[battists]

I must confess, that after reading a gajillion tech support and other threads this week, I lack the brainpower to figure out whether this needs to be logged as a bug or not.

GMO or th, is there any chance you can help out, by distilling this into a simple "What is broken?" statement?

Sort of like "Here's how it works" and "Here's how it SHOULD work."

Or is this really more of a feature request?

Thanks,

Steve

[battists]

We have a new rule that states that Tech Support threads wherein we have not received a response within 7 days will be closed.

This one meets this criteria, so I'm closing this.

If you want to discuss it again, just PM me with the thread link, and I'll re-open. (Don't just say "Hey, reopen my thread." I need to know the URL, thanks!)

Steve