Players on my team showing up in FA - Page 4

rasnell · 07-08-2006, 10:58 PM

No, what I'm checking are the two free agent views to make sure that I don't lose any players by failing to sign them to new contracts. There is a discrepancy in the views between the team/roster/entire organization/financial view and the team/front office/possible free agent view.

In checking them frequently, including day by day at the end of the season and throughout the post-season, there will still be players that surprisingly pop into the free agency eligible category.

The guess above was that something is changing with service time to suddenly trigger their release. When I looked at one player in question, they had hit 5 years and 1 day just after the World Series.

I may try simming fictional leagues because there appear to be all kinds of problems with the historical sims, data not importing right, wild pitches at triple their database levels, terrible drafting and roster management.

The game is still falling short on the historical experience. Maybe fictional will relax me a little.

Sweed · 07-08-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rasnell

No, what I'm checking are the two free agent views to make sure that I don't lose any players by failing to sign them to new contracts. There is a discrepancy in the views between the team/roster/entire organization/financial view and the team/front office/possible free agent view.

In checking them frequently, including day by day at the end of the season and throughout the post-season, there will still be players that surprisingly pop into the free agency eligible category.

The guess above was that something is changing with service time to suddenly trigger their release. When I looked at one player in question, they had hit 5 years and 1 day just after the World Series.

I may try simming fictional leagues because there appear to be all kinds of problems with the historical sims, data not importing right, wild pitches at triple their database levels, terrible drafting and roster management.

The game is still falling short on the historical experience. Maybe fictional will relax me a little.

OK, I misunderstood you then. I haven't spent much time in this part of the game. My time has been spent simming seasons checking numbers and roster movement or playing out games (just a few, not much time to do both) to see how the in game plays and decisions are working. I'll have to take a look to see how different this is than v6.5.

Sweed · 07-09-2006, 10:31 AM

Tried two more tests and haven't seen anyone go FA that should not have. One test I listed all players in the league and sorted by days of service. Printed the list of every one within approx. 200 days of becoming a FA (6 yrs, 1032 days). Nobody with less than 1032 days became a FA unless they were not offered arbitration.

Next test looked at the individual teams and compared the office list with the roster list. The lists all matched up. If a guy was on the 60 day disabled list or was DFA'd he did not show on the roster list but did still show up on the office list.

The only guys I see that can become a FA and don't show up on the office>possible FA list are minor league FAs. The possible FA list only shows players that are on your 40 man. I would like to see it include possible FAs for your entire orginization. The only way I could find the minor league possible FAs was go to roster>entire orginization, add years pro and level to my search, find the guys with 6 yrs and click on the one at a time to check contract status screen. No way to tell on this screen if they are on the 40 man or not, at least that I can see. This does not address the situation you describe though as you say you are losing current MLB players.

One thing I do know from doing this though is that days of service definatly do not accrue once the regular season ends.

Sorry, but whatever it is you are seeing I can't replicate.

Sweed

sporr · 07-09-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rasnell

Perhaps I'm missing something here or it's just too complicated, but I'm still having problems with surprising free agents despite carefully checking this through a full season of the new patch.

I checked my entire organization roster in April, June, before the trading deadline, just before post-season and just after the World Series. I had everyone signed to extensions.

Then I sim to the winter meetings, happen to look at the front office, notice a sub-menu that I've never seen before ("possible free agents") and see several top-notch stars are unsigned despite what the other screen showed all season (team/roster/entire organization/financial view/sorted by years left.

Oddly, I got them signed and got confirming e-mails, even though they really should have gone to the free agent draft.

I have no idea how I could miss this -- or I'm getting conflicting info from two different views.

I tested the new patch on an existing league. I may start a new league to test this, but, frankly, I'm losing interest in the game.

It's too much work; I keep screwing up leagues with these oversights; and I'm getting tired of starting over.

I'm just one customer -- a long-time and loyal one, but, frankly, PureSim has passed you by in fun, simplicity, solo play and the in-game view and simple ways to use keyboard shortcuts to call plays, change lineups, customize stadiums. Their sounds work and are relevant to game play, the inflight ball view is wonderful, the PbB text actually tells you what the player has done that season and in that game, you can see the catcher ratings, you only need one game screen to see everything and the view is of your favorite stadium without tremendous clutter and an inability to see all of the play by play text.

Sorry I've gone off on a rant. Back to the point, something is wrong with free agency or it's just too darn complex for me to master. I'm hoping you can fix it and I might hang in for one more patch. But something needs to be done about the screens, info and views for solo players or I'm moving on to the competition. At the moment, they have finally passed you and it's sad because Markus has attempted the most detailed, most incredible version of a baseball text sim game.

Is it possible that since you simmed to the Winter meetings that you are now in the "next season", thus players who will become FA at the end of the coming season are now showing up on these screens. My guess is that had you not signed these guys that popped up right after the WS, they would have remained on your team until the end of the coming season. If this is the case, there IS still an issue with the screens not jiving.

rasnell · 07-09-2006, 03:18 PM

Drilling down on specific details, here's an example:

A fictional player named Pettit appears on the roster/entire org/financial list as a free agent facing arbitration and on the front office "possible free agent" list in May 1941.

In post-season 1941, the lists remain the same. On 11-19-41, the date that unsigned players become eligible free agents, the list of previous players disappear and a new list appears, just as sporr speculated above.

However, here's the weird glitch with Pettit. He was signed via arbitration, appears on the 11-19-41 list (which you would think would be showing his new, next year of being a free agent). However, where is he on the roster a day later? Gone. Searching for his name, the transaction history shows he's a free agent, unsigned by any team.

I lost him, just as oddly as I've lost the others, and I swear I cannot pin down why and how.

redeemed · 07-09-2006, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasnell

Drilling down on specific details, here's an example:

A fictional player named Pettit appears on the roster/entire org/financial list as a free agent facing arbitration and on the front office "possible free agent" list in May 1941.

In post-season 1941, the lists remain the same. On 11-19-41, the date that unsigned players become eligible free agents, the list of previous players disappear and a new list appears, just as sporr speculated above.

However, here's the weird glitch with Pettit. He was signed via arbitration, appears on the 11-19-41 list (which you would think would be showing his new, next year of being a free agent). However, where is he on the roster a day later? Gone. Searching for his name, the transaction history shows he's a free agent, unsigned by any team.

I lost him, just as oddly as I've lost the others, and I swear I cannot pin down why and how.

I have seen this issue as well. I thought I was just crazy!

battists · 07-11-2006, 09:59 AM

Question: has anyone seen this issue with anything other than a historical league?

battists · 07-18-2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

Markus tells me it's fixed although it was not really a bug... some players turned into free agency eligibility during the season, and would then show up on the list

I just merged a ton of threads on this issue.

Markus has claimed this to be fixed in the next patch, so let's see what happens! Please don't hesitate to post this again if it crops up again after the next patch!

Thanks very much,

Steve

07-08-2006, 10:58 PM	#61
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	No, what I'm checking are the two free agent views to make sure that I don't lose any players by failing to sign them to new contracts. There is a discrepancy in the views between the team/roster/entire organization/financial view and the team/front office/possible free agent view. In checking them frequently, including day by day at the end of the season and throughout the post-season, there will still be players that surprisingly pop into the free agency eligible category. The guess above was that something is changing with service time to suddenly trigger their release. When I looked at one player in question, they had hit 5 years and 1 day just after the World Series. I may try simming fictional leagues because there appear to be all kinds of problems with the historical sims, data not importing right, wild pitches at triple their database levels, terrible drafting and roster management. The game is still falling short on the historical experience. Maybe fictional will relax me a little.

07-09-2006, 10:31 AM	#63
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 6,562	Tried two more tests and haven't seen anyone go FA that should not have. One test I listed all players in the league and sorted by days of service. Printed the list of every one within approx. 200 days of becoming a FA (6 yrs, 1032 days). Nobody with less than 1032 days became a FA unless they were not offered arbitration. Next test looked at the individual teams and compared the office list with the roster list. The lists all matched up. If a guy was on the 60 day disabled list or was DFA'd he did not show on the roster list but did still show up on the office list. The only guys I see that can become a FA and don't show up on the office>possible FA list are minor league FAs. The possible FA list only shows players that are on your 40 man. I would like to see it include possible FAs for your entire orginization. The only way I could find the minor league possible FAs was go to roster>entire orginization, add years pro and level to my search, find the guys with 6 yrs and click on the one at a time to check contract status screen. No way to tell on this screen if they are on the 40 man or not, at least that I can see. This does not address the situation you describe though as you say you are losing current MLB players. One thing I do know from doing this though is that days of service definatly do not accrue once the regular season ends. Sorry, but whatever it is you are seeing I can't replicate. Sweed

07-09-2006, 03:18 PM	#65
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	Drilling down on specific details, here's an example: A fictional player named Pettit appears on the roster/entire org/financial list as a free agent facing arbitration and on the front office "possible free agent" list in May 1941. In post-season 1941, the lists remain the same. On 11-19-41, the date that unsigned players become eligible free agents, the list of previous players disappear and a new list appears, just as sporr speculated above. However, here's the weird glitch with Pettit. He was signed via arbitration, appears on the 11-19-41 list (which you would think would be showing his new, next year of being a free agent). However, where is he on the roster a day later? Gone. Searching for his name, the transaction history shows he's a free agent, unsigned by any team. I lost him, just as oddly as I've lost the others, and I swear I cannot pin down why and how.

07-11-2006, 09:59 AM	#67
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	Question: has anyone seen this issue with anything other than a historical league?