All Star scheduling problem

Carplos · 06-08-2006, 10:22 AM

I'm having trouble changing the date of the all-star game from whenever the engine decides it should be. When I import an XML schedule, it sets it to the midpoint, even if it has the date set correctly in the file, and there are usually other games on the day the engine sets it to.

It also resets the date the minute I leave the tab when I change the date manually.

I'm currently experiencing it using the Ni-Gun League, for the record. The XML file should set it to Day 120 of the league, but it's doing it much earlier, May 13.

Elendil · 06-08-2006, 07:26 PM

I had a different All-Star game scheduling problem. I tried to schedule an All-Star game for November, after the end of the season, and when I started the league, it put it on July 1 instead. When it did that, it created no break, so the All-Star game was played on the same day as other league games. I'm playing the PC demo.

Elendil · 06-09-2006, 10:43 AM

Bumpity.

battists · 06-16-2006, 03:31 PM

Apologies for the slow response.

Carplos, can you walk me through the exact steps you are using?

I haven't worked much with schedules, so the more detail both of you can give me, the better...

Zeyes · 06-16-2006, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

Apologies for the slow response.

Carplos, can you walk me through the exact steps you are using?

I haven't worked much with schedules, so the more detail both of you can give me, the better...

I've noticed problems with the all-star game scheduling that overlap at least by 50% with what Carplos mentioned, so I hope it's okay if I intrude on this thread...

Here's what I've seen (everything with the patch installed):

The schedule I'm using has the following characteristics - start date May 4th or later, preferred start day Thursday (5/04/2006 is a Thursday), All-Star Game on Day 97

With proper settings, this schedule gets loaded automatically for the 2006 season, opening day is correctly set to 5/04, and the ASG to 8/08 (Day 97).

The next year, opening day is correctly set to 5/10/2007 (the first Thursday on or after 5/04), and the ASG is also correctly moved to 8/14/2007.

However, it breaks down for Year 3. Opening Day is now 5/08/2008 (this is correct), but the ASG remains on 8/14, while the schedule-mandated ASG break is 8/11 to 8/13. And this persists for all future seasons...the schedule gets moved around the calendar as intended, but the ASG remains on 8/14 no matter what.

It's also apparently impossible to fix it manually in the off-season, as Carplos mentioned. In League Setup, I can disable "Automatically Schedule Allstar Game", at which point the combo boxes for the ASG date appear, but they do not "take" any changes...I can change them from 8/14 to something else, but as soon as I leave the screen, they revert to 8/14, so once I'm in the next pre-season, I get a wrongly scheduled ASG on 8/14 again.

The only way I've found to fix this is to manually re-import the schedule again, each off-season. I think (not completely sure) that would break the team randomization though, so the schedule would then have identical matchups each year...

battists · 07-06-2006, 03:54 PM

Just following up on this one.

This is an old and pesticide-resistent problem. It's TT # 693, and I've asked them to take a look at it again (and again, and again). Thanks for the information. If you have learned anything further, please don't hesitate to post it here!

Thanks,

Steve

Andreas Raht · 07-07-2006, 07:26 AM

One problem is that the game will not "close" the all star break that comes with a schedule file. For example, if the ASG in the schedule file is on day 100, and there are no games defined in that file for the days 99,100,101, and you go and disable ASG, then there will still be the 3 days break in the schedule. Or when you move the ALG to another day, like 110, then there will be a break at 99,100,101, and the ALG will be on day 110 together with other games.

When you change the allstar_game_day parameter in the schedule file, you also have to change the schedule manually to have the break at the right time. Or you have to use a matching schedule file.

When you let the game create a fictional schedule w/o using a schedule file, the ASG and the break will be inserted automatically if "Hold ASG" is set in the league options. If "Hold ASG" is NOT set, it will not insert the break.

Zeyes · 07-07-2006, 09:05 AM

FWIW, none of that applies to the schedule file I was using. The allstar_game_day is set up correctly, and the schedule comes with the necessary three-day break. The problem is that the season schedule respects the start_day_of_week parameter (making the Opening Day date move around in a seven-day window from year to year), but the All-Star Game does not follow along.

Zeyes · 07-07-2006, 09:07 AM

FWIW, none of that applied to the schedule file I was using. The allstar_game_day parameter is defined correctly, and the file itselfcomes with the necessary three-day break in the action. The problem seems to be that the season schedule respects the start_day_of_week parameter (making the Opening Day date move around in a seven-day window from year to year), but the All-Star Game date does not follow along and remains static.

Zeyes · 07-07-2006, 09:52 AM

FWIW, that's all correctly set up in the schedule file I was using...allstar_game_day is defined properly, and there's a three-day break in the action in the schedule file itself. The problem I was running into seems to be that the regular season schedule respects the start_day_of_week parameter (making the Opening Day date move around in a seven-day-window), but the ASG date doesn't, at least not after the first season.

PS: Thanks battists, replying works again.

Andreas Raht · 07-21-2006, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeyes

FWIW, that's all correctly set up in the schedule file I was using...allstar_game_day is defined properly, and there's a three-day break in the action in the schedule file itself. The problem I was running into seems to be that the regular season schedule respects the start_day_of_week parameter (making the Opening Day date move around in a seven-day-window), but the ASG date doesn't, at least not after the first season.

That's fixed now.

Andreas Raht · 07-21-2006, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elendil

I had a different All-Star game scheduling problem. I tried to schedule an All-Star game for November, after the end of the season, and when I started the league, it put it on July 1 instead. When it did that, it created no break, so the All-Star game was played on the same day as other league games. I'm playing the PC demo.

When the league imports a schedule file from disk, it will use the ASG break that is defined in the file. If you move the ASG date you have to edit the schedule accordingly.

battists · 07-21-2006, 08:42 AM

If I can ever get back to the Customization Guide, we're going to have to write section specifically on All-Star games...

Carplos · 07-21-2006, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andreas Raht

When the league imports a schedule file from disk, it will use the ASG break that is defined in the file. If you move the ASG date you have to edit the schedule accordingly.

So is there a point to unchecking the "automatically schedule all-star game"?

Because it resets it to July 1, no matter what I set it to when I uncheck it, even during the initial league setup. My league won't be using an imported schedule.

There doesn't seem to be any way to manually select the day as in previous versions... even though you would believe there is by unchecking the option.

06-08-2006, 10:22 AM	#1
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,829 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	All Star scheduling problem I'm having trouble changing the date of the all-star game from whenever the engine decides it should be. When I import an XML schedule, it sets it to the midpoint, even if it has the date set correctly in the file, and there are usually other games on the day the engine sets it to. It also resets the date the minute I leave the tab when I change the date manually. I'm currently experiencing it using the Ni-Gun League, for the record. The XML file should set it to Day 120 of the league, but it's doing it much earlier, May 13.

06-08-2006, 07:26 PM	#2
Elendil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the dynasty forum Posts: 2,318	I had a different All-Star game scheduling problem. I tried to schedule an All-Star game for November, after the end of the season, and when I started the league, it put it on July 1 instead. When it did that, it created no break, so the All-Star game was played on the same day as other league games. I'm playing the PC demo. __________________ Heaven is kicking back with a double Talisker and a churchwarden stuffed with latakia.

07-07-2006, 07:26 AM	#7
Andreas Raht Administrator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hollern/Stade/Germany Posts: 8,992	One problem is that the game will not "close" the all star break that comes with a schedule file. For example, if the ASG in the schedule file is on day 100, and there are no games defined in that file for the days 99,100,101, and you go and disable ASG, then there will still be the 3 days break in the schedule. Or when you move the ALG to another day, like 110, then there will be a break at 99,100,101, and the ALG will be on day 110 together with other games. When you change the allstar_game_day parameter in the schedule file, you also have to change the schedule manually to have the break at the right time. Or you have to use a matching schedule file. When you let the game create a fictional schedule w/o using a schedule file, the ASG and the break will be inserted automatically if "Hold ASG" is set in the league options. If "Hold ASG" is NOT set, it will not insert the break. __________________ Andreas Raht andreas@ootpdevelopments.com Out of the Park Developments

06-09-2006, 10:43 AM	#3
Elendil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the dynasty forum Posts: 2,318	Bumpity.

06-16-2006, 03:31 PM	#4
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Apologies for the slow response. Carplos, can you walk me through the exact steps you are using? I haven't worked much with schedules, so the more detail both of you can give me, the better...

07-06-2006, 03:54 PM	#6
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Just following up on this one. This is an old and pesticide-resistent problem. It's TT # 693, and I've asked them to take a look at it again (and again, and again). Thanks for the information. If you have learned anything further, please don't hesitate to post it here! Thanks, Steve

07-07-2006, 09:05 AM	#8
Zeyes All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 818	FWIW, none of that applies to the schedule file I was using. The allstar_game_day is set up correctly, and the schedule comes with the necessary three-day break. The problem is that the season schedule respects the start_day_of_week parameter (making the Opening Day date move around in a seven-day window from year to year), but the All-Star Game does not follow along.

07-07-2006, 09:07 AM	#9
Zeyes All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 818	FWIW, none of that applied to the schedule file I was using. The allstar_game_day parameter is defined correctly, and the file itselfcomes with the necessary three-day break in the action. The problem seems to be that the season schedule respects the start_day_of_week parameter (making the Opening Day date move around in a seven-day window from year to year), but the All-Star Game date does not follow along and remains static.

07-07-2006, 09:52 AM	#10
Zeyes All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 818	FWIW, that's all correctly set up in the schedule file I was using...allstar_game_day is defined properly, and there's a three-day break in the action in the schedule file itself. The problem I was running into seems to be that the regular season schedule respects the start_day_of_week parameter (making the Opening Day date move around in a seven-day-window), but the ASG date doesn't, at least not after the first season. PS: Thanks battists, replying works again.

07-21-2006, 08:42 AM	#13
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	If I can ever get back to the Customization Guide, we're going to have to write section specifically on All-Star games...