random catchers batting leadoff

voxpoptart · 04-25-2007, 02:14 PM

I'm not sure if this counts as a bug, but I've noticed that with surprising frequency -- maybe 10-15% of the time -- the computer will decide to bat a slow-moving, not-very-good catcher in the leadoff slot. (Not a la Jason Kendall and his high OBP: I mean slow catchers who don't really hit well either.) Otherwise the lineup selection algorithm seems to be pretty good, so is this quirk fixable?

rasnell · 04-25-2007, 03:48 PM

Has been noted to beta team.

Nutlaw · 05-13-2007, 09:22 AM

Rasnell, was a resolution ever made on this issue?

rasnell · 05-14-2007, 05:51 AM

I'm not sure. We just got the beta patch on Friday, for release next Friday, and I haven't got that far in testing yet.

Nutlaw · 05-20-2007, 11:23 AM

Anything yet?

voxpoptart · 05-24-2007, 09:01 AM

The problem still exists in the new patch.

I should be specific here. The problem is not that the listed lineups in the Lineups screen will lead off random catchers (at least, I don't think it is). It's that whenever a team re-shuffles its lineup for a game -- because a starter is tired, or because a backup is on his "every 3rd game" start, or because of a DtD injury or something -- the computer has a strong tendency to move that random catcher to the leadoff spot. And of course, that comes up a lot.

Burgandy · 05-24-2007, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by voxpoptart

The problem still exists in the new patch.

I should be specific here. The problem is not that the listed lineups in the Lineups screen will lead off random catchers (at least, I don't think it is). It's that whenever a team re-shuffles its lineup for a game -- because a starter is tired, or because a backup is on his "every 3rd game" start, or because of a DtD injury or something -- the computer has a strong tendency to move that random catcher to the leadoff spot. And of course, that comes up a lot.

I wonder if it is a bug or just a bad decision by the AI manager. I would try going to the lineup editor, taking whoever is being rested that day off the depth chart completely, and then ask the manager and the bench coach for a lineup and see if they give you the same jacked up lineup. Not that this solves the problem, but it may tell you a little more about the source of the problem.

Nutlaw · 05-27-2007, 11:00 AM

Voxpoptart, have you tried Burgandy's suggestion? It seems a useful test.

voxpoptart · 05-27-2007, 07:42 PM

I agree, that was a good suggestion. Thanks. The results:

If you mean "remove him from depth chart and don't fill in the spot at all", it won't generate a lineup.

If you mean "remove him from depth chart and move his backup into the starting position", then the answer is no: it generates a perfectly ordinary and reasonable lineup.

Nutlaw · 05-28-2007, 09:32 AM

Can you post us a screenshot of an AI generated lineup in-game that places a catcher in the lead-off spot, then post us a shot of the catcher's player profile? Thanks.

voxpoptart · 05-28-2007, 04:36 PM

Well, I'll show you a box score (or more than one) and a catcher profile (or more than one). How do I do this?

Nutlaw · 05-28-2007, 05:09 PM

I'll steal a post from Kaitaiki:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaitiaki

1. Go to the screen you want a screenshot of.
2. Hit "Print Screen" (usually abbreviated as Prt Scr) on your keyboard
3. Open Paint, or whatever other basic image editor you have.
4. Paste (Ctrl-V or typically an option under the program's Edit menu) the image
5. Save it, probably best as a .jpg for file size reasons.
6. When making a post on this forum, there's a Manage Attachments button under "Additional Options" where you can, well, attach the file to a message.

voxpoptart · 05-31-2007, 12:30 PM

Know what? It looks like the new patch _did_ fix the problem. Probably not 100%, because I know it wasn't just stubbornness that made me say the problem still existed -- I know I still saw something, perhaps involving my own manager's belief that C Alberto Bernard (Con 9 Pow 8 Eye 9 Speed 4, scale of 20) makes a fill-in leadoff hitter. But I've checked several days of recent box scores and the only two catchers still batting leadoff can really hit. They're a little odd for leadoff choices, but I no longer sense a bug.

So yay. I'm satisfied.

Nutlaw · 05-31-2007, 07:02 PM

Good enough. I'm closing this thread out, then. If you change your mind, just ask a moderator to re-open the thread. Thanks.

04-25-2007, 02:14 PM	#1
voxpoptart Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 387	random catchers batting leadoff I'm not sure if this counts as a bug, but I've noticed that with surprising frequency -- maybe 10-15% of the time -- the computer will decide to bat a slow-moving, not-very-good catcher in the leadoff slot. (Not a la Jason Kendall and his high OBP: I mean slow catchers who don't really hit well either.) Otherwise the lineup selection algorithm seems to be pretty good, so is this quirk fixable?

04-25-2007, 03:48 PM	#2
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	Has been noted to beta team. __________________ Charlie Root won more games for the Cubs than any pitcher (201), yet was remembered for one pitch to Babe Ruth. Find out more about the 1929 World Series in my book, "Root for the Cubs: Charlie Root and the 1929 Chicago Cubs." See the web site at www.rootforthecubs.com. The book is at http://www.amazon.com/Root-Cubs-Char...t+for+the+cubs. Beta tester, OOTP 2007-2023 and iOOTP 2011-2014.

05-14-2007, 05:51 AM	#4
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	I'm not sure. We just got the beta patch on Friday, for release next Friday, and I haven't got that far in testing yet. __________________ Charlie Root won more games for the Cubs than any pitcher (201), yet was remembered for one pitch to Babe Ruth. Find out more about the 1929 World Series in my book, "Root for the Cubs: Charlie Root and the 1929 Chicago Cubs." See the web site at www.rootforthecubs.com. The book is at http://www.amazon.com/Root-Cubs-Char...t+for+the+cubs. Beta tester, OOTP 2007-2023 and iOOTP 2011-2014.

05-27-2007, 07:42 PM	#9
voxpoptart Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 387	I agree, that was a good suggestion. Thanks. The results: If you mean "remove him from depth chart and don't fill in the spot at all", it won't generate a lineup. If you mean "remove him from depth chart and move his backup into the starting position", then the answer is no: it generates a perfectly ordinary and reasonable lineup. Last edited by voxpoptart; 05-27-2007 at 08:04 PM. Reason: clarity

05-31-2007, 12:30 PM	#13
voxpoptart Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 387	Know what? It looks like the new patch _did_ fix the problem. Probably not 100%, because I know it wasn't just stubbornness that made me say the problem still existed -- I know I still saw something, perhaps involving my own manager's belief that C Alberto Bernard (Con 9 Pow 8 Eye 9 Speed 4, scale of 20) makes a fill-in leadoff hitter. But I've checked several days of recent box scores and the only two catchers still batting leadoff can really hit. They're a little odd for leadoff choices, but I no longer sense a bug. So yay. I'm satisfied. Last edited by voxpoptart; 05-31-2007 at 12:36 PM. Reason: clarity

05-13-2007, 09:22 AM	#3
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Rasnell, was a resolution ever made on this issue?

05-20-2007, 11:23 AM	#5
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Anything yet?

05-24-2007, 09:01 AM	#6
voxpoptart Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 387	The problem still exists in the new patch. I should be specific here. The problem is not that the listed lineups in the Lineups screen will lead off random catchers (at least, I don't think it is). It's that whenever a team re-shuffles its lineup for a game -- because a starter is tired, or because a backup is on his "every 3rd game" start, or because of a DtD injury or something -- the computer has a strong tendency to move that random catcher to the leadoff spot. And of course, that comes up a lot.

05-27-2007, 11:00 AM	#8
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Voxpoptart, have you tried Burgandy's suggestion? It seems a useful test.

05-28-2007, 09:32 AM	#10
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Can you post us a screenshot of an AI generated lineup in-game that places a catcher in the lead-off spot, then post us a shot of the catcher's player profile? Thanks.

05-28-2007, 04:36 PM	#11
voxpoptart Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 387	Well, I'll show you a box score (or more than one) and a catcher profile (or more than one). How do I do this?

05-31-2007, 07:02 PM	#14
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Good enough. I'm closing this thread out, then. If you change your mind, just ask a moderator to re-open the thread. Thanks.