Odd defensive ratings.

StyxNCa · 06-22-2008, 08:38 PM

I have tried importing the 1969 season using the built in database, the lahman database outside of the game, a database I am working on which is Lahman's, but I have added games started and outs played at each position, and a database of players with only their 1969 stats. I have tried with recalc on and recalc off.

Now, with that info, I keep getting weird ratings for Bobby Bonds who keeps getting all 3 OF ratings below 5 on a 1-100 scale. If I then go to import him thru the free agent screen, I get ratings that are a lot more in line with his stats. I would think players would only get ratings that low if they didn't play a position.

I did get more accurate ratings using recalc, either 3 year or 1 year. However, I don't like using recalc because it gives pitchers offensive ratings they shouldn't be getting plus I only import one season to play just that season so there is no reason to use recalc.

If I use the database with only the 1969 stats for all players, then everything comes out fine.

I've treid every combination in the setup area and nothing seems to make a difference other than the recalc being on.

It would be nice to find out why Bonds is the only one this happens to that I have noticed. For the most part, all defensive ratings seem low for all players, but his are way out of line.

If more info is needed let me know.

rwd59 · 06-22-2008, 10:33 PM

I have seen a few oddities myself. I had Willie McCovey import one season only with ratings in LF (78 games played) when he also played 1B (26 games) and RF (5 games). Also, how do you feel about the game going back to only assigning a player to play the position he played in his import year, even if he never played that position again in his career? I also don't like to use recalc even though that would change the positions available every year.

StyxNCa · 06-22-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rwd59

I have seen a few oddities myself. I had Willie McCovey import one season only with ratings in LF (78 games played) when he also played 1B (26 games) and RF (5 games). Also, how do you feel about the game going back to only assigning a player to play the position he played in his import year, even if he never played that position again in his career? I also don't like to use recalc even though that would change the positions available every year.

I would prefer it only assign the positions of the imported season. It would save me the work of having to double check every player. That is time consuming.

I forgot which player it was but he did play two positions in '69 and played over 60 games at both. His primary position he had around 90 games but that position wasn't even listed, only his second position. I believe it was also a situation of a 1B/OF.

Also along those lines if their error rating was determined by the import season. Players like Jesus Alou had a very good error rating for 1969 when his actual fielding % was in the low .900's

rwd59 · 06-22-2008, 10:58 PM

Do you just play the imported season as a stand alone season or continue it on for years in the future?

rwd59 · 06-22-2008, 11:01 PM

Wasn't there an option at one time to base defensive ratings on the import season or entire career?

StyxNCa · 06-23-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rwd59

Do you just play the imported season as a stand alone season or continue it on for years in the future?

I play as stand alone.

StyxNCa · 06-23-2008, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwd59

Wasn't there an option at one time to base defensive ratings on the import season or entire career?

I don't remember.

rwd59 · 06-23-2008, 01:14 PM

I can understand your desire to only import the positions of the import season since you play them as stand alone seasons. It is right the opposite for me. I play from the import year up until present day and I also don't want to have to edit a crapload of people to get the other positions they played. Also, it was 6.5 that asked you before import if you wanted to import positions based upon entire career. That option needs to come back.

StyxNCa · 06-23-2008, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwd59

I can understand your desire to only import the positions of the import season since you play them as stand alone seasons. It is right the opposite for me. I play from the import year up until present day and I also don't want to have to edit a crapload of people to get the other positions they played. Also, it was 6.5 that asked you before import if you wanted to import positions based upon entire career. That option needs to come back.

I'm in agreement with you.

StyxNCa · 06-23-2008, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwd59

I can understand your desire to only import the positions of the import season since you play them as stand alone seasons. It is right the opposite for me. I play from the import year up until present day and I also don't want to have to edit a crapload of people to get the other positions they played. Also, it was 6.5 that asked you before import if you wanted to import positions based upon entire career. That option needs to come back.

I agree. The batting and pitching ratings are for that one year, why not the fielding as well? If fielding ratings are off it can effect the overall batting and pitching replay stats.

rwd59 · 06-27-2008, 12:46 PM

I really hope this gets looked at.

jasonditz · 06-27-2008, 01:08 PM

by default they also change defensive settings every year according to historical data (though this behavior can be changed in options). Kind of a pain to have your starting shortstop play 150 games at the position (defensive rating 15) and then at the start of the next season he's no longer shortstop eligible but is 3B with a 5 rating.

rwd59 · 06-27-2008, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonditz

by default they also change defensive settings every year according to historical data (though this behavior can be changed in options). Kind of a pain to have your starting shortstop play 150 games at the position (defensive rating 15) and then at the start of the next season he's no longer shortstop eligible but is 3B with a 5 rating.

Then you are using the recalc function. I agree it is kind of a pain when that happens. If you are using 3 year recalc it looks like the player should have all the positions he played within that 3 year period available. At the very least he should have them available if he played a certain % of his games played at those positions. My issue is playing without recalc on. I don't use the recalc function. My issue is a player only having acess to his rookie positions and even then not getting ratings at all the positions he played.

Nutlaw · 07-01-2008, 07:30 PM

So did you guys come to a consensus here? Could you please concisely write up something that should be logged as a bug? I'll admit that I'm a bit out of my element in this area.

StyxNCa · 07-01-2008, 07:32 PM

I wrote up another thread with a screenshot of ratings earlier today.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ng-season.html

06-22-2008, 08:38 PM	#1
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,136	Odd defensive ratings. I have tried importing the 1969 season using the built in database, the lahman database outside of the game, a database I am working on which is Lahman's, but I have added games started and outs played at each position, and a database of players with only their 1969 stats. I have tried with recalc on and recalc off. Now, with that info, I keep getting weird ratings for Bobby Bonds who keeps getting all 3 OF ratings below 5 on a 1-100 scale. If I then go to import him thru the free agent screen, I get ratings that are a lot more in line with his stats. I would think players would only get ratings that low if they didn't play a position. I did get more accurate ratings using recalc, either 3 year or 1 year. However, I don't like using recalc because it gives pitchers offensive ratings they shouldn't be getting plus I only import one season to play just that season so there is no reason to use recalc. If I use the database with only the 1969 stats for all players, then everything comes out fine. I've treid every combination in the setup area and nothing seems to make a difference other than the recalc being on. It would be nice to find out why Bonds is the only one this happens to that I have noticed. For the most part, all defensive ratings seem low for all players, but his are way out of line. If more info is needed let me know.

06-23-2008, 01:14 PM	#8
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 923	I can understand your desire to only import the positions of the import season since you play them as stand alone seasons. It is right the opposite for me. I play from the import year up until present day and I also don't want to have to edit a crapload of people to get the other positions they played. Also, it was 6.5 that asked you before import if you wanted to import positions based upon entire career. That option needs to come back. Last edited by rwd59; 06-23-2008 at 01:16 PM.

07-01-2008, 07:32 PM	#15
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,136	I wrote up another thread with a screenshot of ratings earlier today. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ng-season.html Last edited by StyxNCa; 07-01-2008 at 07:34 PM.

06-22-2008, 10:33 PM	#2
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 923	I have seen a few oddities myself. I had Willie McCovey import one season only with ratings in LF (78 games played) when he also played 1B (26 games) and RF (5 games). Also, how do you feel about the game going back to only assigning a player to play the position he played in his import year, even if he never played that position again in his career? I also don't like to use recalc even though that would change the positions available every year.

06-22-2008, 10:58 PM	#4
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 923	Do you just play the imported season as a stand alone season or continue it on for years in the future?

06-22-2008, 11:01 PM	#5
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 923	Wasn't there an option at one time to base defensive ratings on the import season or entire career?

06-27-2008, 12:46 PM	#11
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 923	I really hope this gets looked at.

06-27-2008, 01:08 PM	#12
jasonditz Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 121	by default they also change defensive settings every year according to historical data (though this behavior can be changed in options). Kind of a pain to have your starting shortstop play 150 games at the position (defensive rating 15) and then at the start of the next season he's no longer shortstop eligible but is 3B with a 5 rating.

07-01-2008, 07:30 PM	#14
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	So did you guys come to a consensus here? Could you please concisely write up something that should be logged as a bug? I'll admit that I'm a bit out of my element in this area.