Do you let old owners back in?

molarmite · 12-10-2008, 12:59 PM

I've had a couple owners who have left. One said he just didn't have enough time then a week later, he wanted back in. Another one just stopped exporting with no warning and has been MIA for a couple months, obviously being replaced a while ago.

Would you let these people back in as another team? Are there certain situations where you would or wouldn't?

Jaxxvain · 12-10-2008, 02:18 PM

tough call

were they just bailing on bad situations and wanting a new team?
were they active in other leagues while inactive in yours?
were they "good" for the league, or reclusive types?

satchel · 12-10-2008, 02:45 PM

I'd generally let a former owner back in, although the circumstances of their departure are significant.

The fellow who resigned, and then wanted back in, would be an easy decision for me; I'd let him right back in. At least he formally resigned, and to me, a resignation doesn't automatically create any kind of mandatory waiting period for re-admission. It sounds as if he might have been displaying a contrary attitude when he left, but at least he was being open and clear about his actions.

I'd ask for an explanation from the one who went MIA, and I'd ask for him to agree to not do that again; this is, to not go for any long period without an explanation, and to not merely abandon the league when he needed to resign. I'd let him back in, but he wouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt if any uncertainty arose later. He'd be on "probation" so to speak, although I wouldn't officially designate it as such.

I've had to leave leagues, but I've always made sure that I left on good terms, and thus I felt good about re-applying to join some of those leagues later. If you leave a league without communicating your departure to the Commish, you have no right to expect to be re-admitted.

molarmite · 12-10-2008, 04:49 PM

The guy wants to come back now left the defending WS champs and would be taking over a sub .500 team so bailing on a team to get a better one wouldn't be a problem. He didn't contribute much, he was just there, he exported every time until he just stopped, and we always had good talks non OOTP related.

Stu · 12-10-2008, 05:31 PM

My experience is that people who just stop exporting without any notification as to why will do the same thing again. I'd be willing to let somebody back in if they gave me notice after leaving the first time but I doubt I'd bother with an owner that went MIA again.

rem · 12-10-2008, 09:12 PM

I was a commissioner for a long time, of four different leagues not counting a second trip on one, and I don't think I ever had someone ask back in that I woulldn't welcome.

satchel · 12-11-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by remangiii

I was a commissioner for a long time, of four different leagues not counting a second trip on one, and I don't think I ever had someone ask back in that I woulldn't welcome.

When an owner leaves my league on good terms, I always explicitly tell him that he'll be welcomed back at any time.

In eighteen seasons as a Commish, there's only been one owner whom I didn't approve of, and it was because he gamed the system. I took over the NPBL in its second season, and one owner had already rigged a bunch of things in his favor: his stadium factors were all min-maxed, he'd made unethical trades, and then he tanked as many games as possible for the next three or four seasons. Two things kept me from booting him: the first is that I was trying to be as tolerant as possible; the second is that I had taken over the league, and not founded it myself, so I had an incomplete sense of authority. I'd joined the league a couple of in-game months into its first season, so the owner in question had actually been there longer than I had. Looking back, it was a mistake: I should have axed him. I was inexperienced, though. Now I realize that league integrity easily trumps any over-exaggerated sense of lenience.

mikev · 12-11-2008, 01:19 PM

It depends on communication.

Generally if a guy just disappears, he's gone. However, the GUBA is a community all of its own anyway, and we've got a good 50 or 60 people who are somewhat regulars on the GUBA forums whether or not they're a part of the league. Every so often somebody has to give up their team for some reason or another, and usually one of the guys who hasn't been in the league is ready for another go.

Life happens. Sometimes **** gets in the way of fake online baseball. There's nothing wrong with that. If the owner doesn't completely abandon his team and has a legit reason for not being around, there's no reason to not welcome him back when he does have the time to commit.

satchel · 12-11-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Life happens. Sometimes **** gets in the way of fake online baseball. There's nothing wrong with that.

There are many things in life which take priority over one's hobbies, that's not in question. An owner in a league can resign and rejoin every other week, as long as he properly follows protocol. The most frivolous pursuits in the world still have their mores, and violating them evokes sanctions.

12-10-2008, 12:59 PM	#1
molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,924	Do you let old owners back in? I've had a couple owners who have left. One said he just didn't have enough time then a week later, he wanted back in. Another one just stopped exporting with no warning and has been MIA for a couple months, obviously being replaced a while ago. Would you let these people back in as another team? Are there certain situations where you would or wouldn't? __________________ From the wise mind of Davey Eckstein "Now all you need is a signature. A quote or initial, perhaps." [

12-10-2008, 02:45 PM	#3
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	I'd generally let a former owner back in, although the circumstances of their departure are significant. The fellow who resigned, and then wanted back in, would be an easy decision for me; I'd let him right back in. At least he formally resigned, and to me, a resignation doesn't automatically create any kind of mandatory waiting period for re-admission. It sounds as if he might have been displaying a contrary attitude when he left, but at least he was being open and clear about his actions. I'd ask for an explanation from the one who went MIA, and I'd ask for him to agree to not do that again; this is, to not go for any long period without an explanation, and to not merely abandon the league when he needed to resign. I'd let him back in, but he wouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt if any uncertainty arose later. He'd be on "probation" so to speak, although I wouldn't officially designate it as such. I've had to leave leagues, but I've always made sure that I left on good terms, and thus I felt good about re-applying to join some of those leagues later. If you leave a league without communicating your departure to the Commish, you have no right to expect to be re-admitted. Last edited by satchel; 12-10-2008 at 02:46 PM.

12-10-2008, 04:49 PM	#4
molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,924	The guy wants to come back now left the defending WS champs and would be taking over a sub .500 team so bailing on a team to get a better one wouldn't be a problem. He didn't contribute much, he was just there, he exported every time until he just stopped, and we always had good talks non OOTP related. __________________ From the wise mind of Davey Eckstein "Now all you need is a signature. A quote or initial, perhaps." [

12-10-2008, 09:12 PM	#6
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	I was a commissioner for a long time, of four different leagues not counting a second trip on one, and I don't think I ever had someone ask back in that I woulldn't welcome. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

12-11-2008, 01:19 PM	#8
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	It depends on communication. Generally if a guy just disappears, he's gone. However, the GUBA is a community all of its own anyway, and we've got a good 50 or 60 people who are somewhat regulars on the GUBA forums whether or not they're a part of the league. Every so often somebody has to give up their team for some reason or another, and usually one of the guys who hasn't been in the league is ready for another go. Life happens. Sometimes **** gets in the way of fake online baseball. There's nothing wrong with that. If the owner doesn't completely abandon his team and has a legit reason for not being around, there's no reason to not welcome him back when he does have the time to commit. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

12-10-2008, 02:18 PM	#2
Jaxxvain All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 531	tough call were they just bailing on bad situations and wanting a new team? were they active in other leagues while inactive in yours? were they "good" for the league, or reclusive types?

12-10-2008, 05:31 PM	#5
Stu All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,255	My experience is that people who just stop exporting without any notification as to why will do the same thing again. I'd be willing to let somebody back in if they gave me notice after leaving the first time but I doubt I'd bother with an owner that went MIA again.