Players staying in Feeder league too long?

Murcer · 05-19-2013, 07:18 AM

Has anyone seen instances where players are staying in Feeder leagues too long?

I have a feeder league set for ages 18-21 yet I see players staying there for 5 years and not being draft eligible until they're 23 years old.

For example, my league started in 1920. In 1943 a player was created for that 18-21 feeder league with a birthday of 8/27/1924. I figure he should be draft eligible in 1945 or 1946 depending on how OOTP calculates the cutoff and either year would be fine. However, this particular player played in that feeder league until 1947.

shawa666 · 05-19-2013, 09:18 AM

Have you set you player creation age setting?

Bluenoser · 05-19-2013, 10:13 AM

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Have you set you player creation age setting?

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Originally Posted by Murcer

Has anyone seen instances where players are staying in Feeder leagues too long?

I have a feeder league set for ages 18-21 yet I see players staying there for 5 years and not being draft eligible until they're 23 years old.

For example, my league started in 1920. In 1943 a player was created for that 18-21 feeder league with a birthday of 8/27/1924. I figure he should be draft eligible in 1945 or 1946 depending on how OOTP calculates the cutoff and either year would be fine. However, this particular player played in that feeder league until 1947.

damientheomen3 · 05-19-2013, 01:36 PM

If the player isn't over the maximum age setting on the day that the league's season ends (including postseason) or (in the case of a feeder) the day the draft pool is published, they won't move on from their current league. I ran a league in 13 where players only played from age 21 to 25 for their team and would often have 26 year olds because the season ended late October and they wouldn't turn 26 until November or December.

Murcer · 05-19-2013, 02:54 PM

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If the player isn't over the maximum age setting on the day that the league's season ends (including postseason) or (in the case of a feeder) the day the draft pool is published, they won't move on from their current league.

Ah, interesting. But both of these conditions sound like they'd be appropriate for a feeder league so is it the day the season (including postseason) ends or the day the draft pool is published?

Thanks!

damientheomen3 · 05-19-2013, 04:57 PM

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Ah, interesting. But both of these conditions sound like they'd be appropriate for a feeder league so is it the day the season (including postseason) ends or the day the draft pool is published?

Thanks!

I believe it's draft pool if it's a feeder league and end of postseason if the league is not a feeder league.

Aumakua · 05-20-2013, 02:24 PM

In OOTP 14 the day the offseason starts for the feeder league (so after playoffs and awards) is the day that players leave for the draft and new players are created (not the draft pool date).

Murcer · 05-22-2013, 05:33 AM

Thanks all! I'm going to test this out a bit and will report back.

Murcer · 05-27-2013, 10:44 AM

I still seem to be having problems with this.

My feeder league season ends on 5/17 and I have playoffs disabled. However, look at these screenshots (just one example of many). This player turned 21 (the max age for my feeder league) in July 1943. Ok so if the draft pool is determined in May, and he's not 21 (according to OOTP) until May 1944, that's fine. However, this guy played ANOTHER season in the feeder league after that and I'm not sure why.

Again, this isn't just one case, I have tons of examples like this.

boshk · 05-27-2013, 12:21 PM

this is a good reason why i wish you could set a "max years in the league" option. it would be good for feeder leagues like that where guys only are eligible for 4 years. or how some independent minor leagues have maximum service times, and only allow so many players with MLB experience per roster.

Murcer · 05-27-2013, 01:26 PM

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this is a good reason why i wish you could set a "max years in the league" option. it would be good for feeder leagues like that where guys only are eligible for 4 years. or how some independent minor leagues have maximum service times, and only allow so many players with MLB experience per roster.

That would "fix" this issue but really, if the players were graduating like they were supposed to, it wouldn't be necessary.

I don't mind a guy staying an extra season if his birthday falls on an odd date but, to me, my example looks like a bug since that player was 21 years old in May of 1944 (when the season ended). However, for whatever reason, he stayed in the year an extra season in the feeder league.

Cryomaniac · 05-27-2013, 01:29 PM

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That would "fix" this issue but really, if the players were graduating like they were supposed to, it wouldn't be necessary.

I don't mind a guy staying an extra season if his birthday falls on an odd date but, to me, my example looks like a bug since that player was 21 years old in May of 1944 (when the season ended). However, for whatever reason, he stayed in the year an extra season in the feeder league.

Ideally, I would like to be able to have both age and service limits for the same league (eg: No-one over the age of 26 or with more than 4 years service). IIRC though Markus has said that service limits (in minor leagues anyway) are difficult to code.

I agree that the issue in this thread seems like a bug though.

Afino · 05-27-2013, 02:27 PM

Check the birthdays of some of the other guys that are "staying too long". I'm willing to bet that those players all have birthdays in the same general area. Probably, it's a bug with the age check and when the draft is or when the season ends.

majesty95 · 05-27-2013, 03:15 PM

To me, if you are going to have high school and feeder leagues, the game should know, by default, there is a 4 year maximum. I've wanted to start a fictional league with feeders but it appears there are so many issues with both feeders and draft pools it's not worth the time

bwburke94 · 05-28-2013, 12:23 AM

Well, I came up with a possible solution to why this is happening.

The age maximum is a greater-than check, not a greater-than-or-equal-to check. If the player's age is equal to the age maximum on the day that players leave, they remain in the league. This is intended behavior.

However, there are certain idiosyncrasies in this system. Let's say the season ends on May 23, 2015. The player in question was born on May 24, 1993, so he is 21 years and 364 days old, which is of course truncated to 21 years. As 21 is not greater than 21, he stays in the league.

Now let's assume that the next year's season ends on May 28, 2016. The player in question is now 23 years and 4 days old. As 23 is greater than 21, he enters the draft pool at 23 years old.

05-19-2013, 07:18 AM	#1
Murcer Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 268	Players staying in Feeder league too long? Has anyone seen instances where players are staying in Feeder leagues too long? I have a feeder league set for ages 18-21 yet I see players staying there for 5 years and not being draft eligible until they're 23 years old. For example, my league started in 1920. In 1943 a player was created for that 18-21 feeder league with a birthday of 8/27/1924. I figure he should be draft eligible in 1945 or 1946 depending on how OOTP calculates the cutoff and either year would be fine. However, this particular player played in that feeder league until 1947.

05-27-2013, 10:44 AM	#9
Murcer Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 268	I still seem to be having problems with this. My feeder league season ends on 5/17 and I have playoffs disabled. However, look at these screenshots (just one example of many). This player turned 21 (the max age for my feeder league) in July 1943. Ok so if the draft pool is determined in May, and he's not 21 (according to OOTP) until May 1944, that's fine. However, this guy played ANOTHER season in the feeder league after that and I'm not sure why. Again, this isn't just one case, I have tons of examples like this. Attached Images

05-27-2013, 02:27 PM	#13
Afino Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,828	Check the birthdays of some of the other guys that are "staying too long". I'm willing to bet that those players all have birthdays in the same general area. Probably, it's a bug with the age check and when the draft is or when the season ends. __________________ GUBA: Moscow Enforcers

05-27-2013, 03:15 PM	#14
majesty95 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,789	To me, if you are going to have high school and feeder leagues, the game should know, by default, there is a 4 year maximum. I've wanted to start a fictional league with feeders but it appears there are so many issues with both feeders and draft pools it's not worth the time __________________ College Football Sim League

05-19-2013, 09:18 AM	#2
shawa666 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 601 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Have you set you player creation age setting?

05-20-2013, 02:24 PM	#7
Aumakua Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Flat lands Posts: 421	In OOTP 14 the day the offseason starts for the feeder league (so after playoffs and awards) is the day that players leave for the draft and new players are created (not the draft pool date).

05-22-2013, 05:33 AM	#8
Murcer Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 268	Thanks all! I'm going to test this out a bit and will report back.

05-27-2013, 12:21 PM	#10
boshk All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 532	this is a good reason why i wish you could set a "max years in the league" option. it would be good for feeder leagues like that where guys only are eligible for 4 years. or how some independent minor leagues have maximum service times, and only allow so many players with MLB experience per roster.

05-28-2013, 12:23 AM	#15
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,504	Well, I came up with a possible solution to why this is happening. The age maximum is a greater-than check, not a greater-than-or-equal-to check. If the player's age is equal to the age maximum on the day that players leave, they remain in the league. This is intended behavior. However, there are certain idiosyncrasies in this system. Let's say the season ends on May 23, 2015. The player in question was born on May 24, 1993, so he is 21 years and 364 days old, which is of course truncated to 21 years. As 21 is not greater than 21, he stays in the league. Now let's assume that the next year's season ends on May 28, 2016. The player in question is now 23 years and 4 days old. As 23 is greater than 21, he enters the draft pool at 23 years old.