This is BS!!!!

[rpriske]

When I read the post I took it as a vent, not as an honest complaint.

With his follow-up, I see that was wrong.

No, there should NOT be an out clause on contracts, because that doesn't exist in real life. Injuries are part of the game.

(I have a 1983 version of the Blue Jays that should be great... and now both Robin Yount and George Brett are out with injuries... add Al Cowens... and more... )

(They are still doing pretty well )

[MikeS21]

I have heard that real life teams have insurance on injuries, but I sure see no evidence of it in real life. How many real life middle-to-small market teams lose a $10 million player to injury, and then trade for a $10 million player to replace him (and pay him with insurance money)?

Injuries (or lack of) play as much a part of baseball as as many of the stats do. World Series have been won by teams who got there because their division rival's #1 starter got sidelined and went on the DL at just the wrong time.

As others have said, the easiest thing would be to play in commissioner mode and turn off financials or simply reset the injury. After all, the point is to ENJOY the game. The game comes so that you can customize (change) virtually any rule you want, including resetting or editing injuries. I figure that makes it OK to play it any way I wish.

Hey, I admit, I have reset injuries myself! I created a player, got him to the big leagues in three seasons. One week into his rookie season, he suffered a career ending injury. You better believe I edited the injury.

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by MikeS21

I have heard that real life teams have insurance on injuries, but I sure see no evidence of it in real life.

Usually, fans are much more concerned about the player's injury than about the team's finances, so insurance is the sort of thing that happens in the background, but I guarantee you it's there.

[MikeS21]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

Usually, fans are much more concerned about the player's injury than about the team's finances, so insurance is the sort of thing that happens in the background, but I guarantee you it's there.

That is some interesting reading.

Wonder if the cost of these insurance policies are rolled into the value of the contract, or is it covered as an administrative business expense?

[ThatSeventiesGuy]

Injuries on highest setting. Otherwise known as "They're Droppin' Like Flies!" Mode.

[frangipard]

Originally Posted by MikeS21

I have heard that real life teams have insurance on injuries, but I sure see no evidence of it in real life. How many real life middle-to-small market teams lose a $10 million player to injury, and then trade for a $10 million player to replace him (and pay him with insurance money)?

1) Finding a $10 million player at the same position that is available in trade is not always possible.
2) Trading for said player means giving up players/prospects.
3) Unless one or both of the players is in the last year of a contract, you now have two $10 million players next year.
4) Cash flow. You likely won't get the insurance payout until the first guy has already missed 60 or 90 or whatever days.

Having said all that ... it does happen. The A's and Pirates have both taken on salary at the deadline in recent years.

[swampdragon]

When your team has more injuries than the real 2014 Rangers, then you can complain.

[ravinhood]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

When your team has more injuries than the real 2014 Rangers, then you can complain.

Well, I've lost Beltre and Cruz as well. ) Doesn't that count? )

But, lemme tell you what happened. I went to the free agent pool and looked for something decent I could replace Beltre and Cruz with. Have you ever gotten a slug in the free agent pool that turned into a 4 star player? lol I did in Cruz's spot. But, unfortunately the slug I got for Beltre is still a slug.

Then I was watching the trading board and right after my closer got injured I saw SD make a trade with Toronto for this awesome CL (man he had stats like I never saw before with green and blue clear accross the board on nearly every stat. So I says what the hey I got 3 players who are in the minors who are going to file for free agency and they are scruff slug players just about average or less (in the red on quality) and I offered them up for this CL and Toronto accepted. I was shocked as I didn't even have to use all the scrubs. Just a couple of them and one was so crappy I wouldn't have used him on my rookies team. lol

So after all is said and done I got at least two replacements out of 3 that turned out to be pretty good for a cost of nothing (free agent guy that turned into 4 stars accepted a minor league deal to begin with can you believe) lol and I'm 9 games in front in the West now. It's funny before I lost Beltre, Cruz and my CL I was like 4th or 5th place 4 games behind. )

Once again injuries is not an issue. It's that waste of $11,000,00 for no play that bugged me. In all fairness a contract should work both ways. You play I pay you a contract salary. You don't play I pay you a minimum wage. That's the way it works in the real world and I've been in a union myself. ) (in case you're wondering Workmans comp does not pay your regular salary. They pay you at a discount of the base pay of about 60% when you get injured on the job).

[RchW]

Originally Posted by ravinhood

That's the way it works in the real world and I've been in a union myself. ) (in case you're wondering Workmans comp does not pay your regular salary. They pay you at a discount of the base pay of about 60% when you get injured on the job).

You continue to post inaccuracies that merit a response. In the real world you don't pay tax, pension or health care premiums on compensation benefits or long term disability payments so the discount you claim is false. The net value of such payments is close to your take home pay which is exactly why such benefits typically pay 66 2/3% of your insured salary.

[Go Tribe]

wait is ootp16 out? or does this belong in the 15 forum?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Go Tribe

wait is ootp16 out? or does this belong in the 15 forum?

You didn't get your download links Monday?

[Le Grande Orange]

As of opening day in real life, the average is roughly three players per club on the DL. As of August 31st, the average is roughly five players per club on the DL.

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

In real life, though, this sort of situation would be handled by the team's insurance policy, so the club wouldn't actually be stuck with the entire $11 million bill for a pitcher who can't pitch. Of course, that's not something that is handled in OOTP. I'm sure there are those who would want that option, but there are others who would rather play OOTP as a baseball simulation than as an accounting simulation.

It could actually be an interesting strategic decision for GMs. Do you pay out some amount of your revenue/budget to insure this star player's contract against injury? Or do you take your chances? Of course, any such 'insurance' system should be kept limited and simple for ease of use purposes, as well as for the fact that there isn't much in the way of publicly available real-world data to serve as a reference.

For wealthier clubs it wouldn't offer much challenge or benefit. But as an option for more financially-strapped clubs, it certainly presents some strategic choices worth considering.

[frangipard]

Originally Posted by ravinhood

In all fairness a contract should work both ways. You play I pay you a contract salary. You don't play I pay you a minimum wage. That's the way it works in the real world and I've been in a union myself. )

Uh, no. There is no single way "it works." Every industry and every business has different ways they like to structure their workforce and their employment contracts and compensation. In the case of industries where the workforce is unionized, the options the employer has are limited by collective bargaining.

In the case of baseball, the owners have agreed to take on the risk of playing injured players who cannot perform.

The players in turn have agreed to a system in which they are not free to work for the employer of their choice or earn what a free market commands until they have completed a years-long period of indentured service. They have also agreed to allow their contracts to be sold, creating a situation that can create immense disruption to their personal and family lives. They agree to long and highly irregular work hours.

There is a lot about baseball that is very, very different from the typical workplace. If you don't think most of those differences work to the advantage of the owners, you're out of your gourd.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by frangipard

The players in turn have agreed to a system in which they are not free to work for the employer of their choice or earn what a free market commands until they have completed a years-long period of indentured service. They have also agreed to allow their contracts to be sold, creating a situation that can create immense disruption to their personal and family lives. They agree to long and highly irregular work hours.

It's worth noting too that the contracts of those players still under the reserve clause (i.e. those with less than six years of major league service) are mostly not guaranteed. If such a player is released in the off-season or during spring training they are entitled to only 30 or 45 days' pay, depending on the timing of the release. (If released during the season the player is paid the remainder of the salary due for that season.)

[ravinhood]

Not worth the arguement he doesn't know what he's talking about anyway. :_)

[DustinthePOWERHOUSE]

Originally Posted by David Watts

You didn't get your download links Monday?

mean.

[rpriske]

Originally Posted by ravinhood

Not worth the arguement he doesn't know what he's talking about anyway. :_)

I was ready to 'thank' this post but then I realized it was written BY you rather than ABOUT you.

[CommishJoe]

Ok, let's bring this up a notch. Keep it respectful.

Thanks

[rpriske]

Fair enough. In my head that was said with a smirk, but it won't be read that way.

Apologies.

[Zitofan75]

its stupid to blame the unions alone. The unions negotiated the terms of collective bargaining, compensation, free agency, etc. WITH management. And who knows, maybe management said "this ain't football, give them full pay during injuries" because most players aren't lost for a year. Sometimes it happens but life is completely and utterly unfair.