Lineups wonky?

guybrarian · 03-20-2015, 01:16 PM

So, I decided to start managing the Cubs, and while I get that Joe Maddon can be a bit wonky, my pitchers are batting eighth? Whaaat? That seems pretty ridiculous.

rworth88 · 03-20-2015, 01:17 PM

I was watching the Cubs game yesterday and he mentioned he was going to do that from time to time except with Lester, so maybe not so far fetched...

SirMichaelJordan · 03-20-2015, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by guybrarian

So, I decided to start managing the Cubs, and while I get that Joe Maddon can be a bit wonky, my pitchers are batting eighth? Whaaat? That seems pretty ridiculous.

That may be a feature as some managers are starting to do that. Cool to see thats actually in this year's game, it must be a preference for some managers.

RchW · 03-20-2015, 01:19 PM

Are the pitcher batting 8th better than most?

guybrarian · 03-20-2015, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

That may be a feature as some managers are starting to do that. Cool to see thats actually in this year's game, it must be a preference for some managers.

Okay, that was not something I was expecting. It's very cool. Nice to see manager preferences having a very real expression in the lineups.

DB930 · 03-20-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rworth88

I was watching the Cubs game yesterday and he mentioned he was going to do that from time to time except with Lester, so maybe not so far fetched...

Calling it now: Lester finally gets his first ML hit this year...

megamanmatt · 03-20-2015, 01:25 PM

I was actually kinda worried about giving my line up and rotation control over to the manager, but the line ups and rotation they have set are pretty close to my own so that was a huge relief.

guybrarian · 03-20-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DB930

Calling it now: Lester finally gets his first ML hit this year...

He actually has two so far by May 26! He's also 0-6 with a 4.99 after ten starts. It's not pretty.

tyrionbro · 03-20-2015, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by guybrarian

So, I decided to start managing the Cubs, and while I get that Joe Maddon can be a bit wonky, my pitchers are batting eighth? Whaaat? That seems pretty ridiculous.

he must be a sabermetrics guy. Advanced statistics say that batting the pitcher 8th is a better idea because you want your #9 to be a decent OBP guy to set the table for the top of the order.

here's some analysis: The Definitive Sabermetric Guide to Managing - Beyond the Box Score

injury log · 03-20-2015, 02:33 PM

Yes, that's a new feature this year - a rare few managers will have some weird preferences, including batting pitchers in the 8 hole. I think that kind of variety is pretty cool.

RchW · 03-20-2015, 02:36 PM

My initial impression is that AI lineup construction is better.

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Better as in not so theoretical or blindly optimal.

Questdog · 03-20-2015, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by injury log

Yes, that's a new feature this year - a rare few managers will have some weird preferences, including batting pitchers in the 8 hole. I think that kind of variety is pretty cool.

Cool, maybe....but still stupid.....

03-20-2015, 01:16 PM	#1
guybrarian Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4	Lineups wonky? So, I decided to start managing the Cubs, and while I get that Joe Maddon can be a bit wonky, my pitchers are batting eighth? Whaaat? That seems pretty ridiculous.

03-20-2015, 01:19 PM	#4
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Are the pitcher batting 8th better than most? __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

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megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	I was actually kinda worried about giving my line up and rotation control over to the manager, but the line ups and rotation they have set are pretty close to my own so that was a huge relief. __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting.

03-20-2015, 02:36 PM	#11
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	My initial impression is that AI lineup construction is better. Edit: Better as in not so theoretical or blindly optimal. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit Last edited by RchW; 03-20-2015 at 02:37 PM.

03-20-2015, 01:17 PM	#2
rworth88 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 171	I was watching the Cubs game yesterday and he mentioned he was going to do that from time to time except with Lester, so maybe not so far fetched...

03-20-2015, 02:33 PM	#10
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	Yes, that's a new feature this year - a rare few managers will have some weird preferences, including batting pitchers in the 8 hole. I think that kind of variety is pretty cool.