Service Time and Free Agency

redsox19934 · 05-17-2015, 11:51 AM

Does anyone else have issues with service time and free agency in standard games? Christian Vazquez and Wilson Ramos become FA's after the 2015 season when Ramos has 5 yrs of service and Vazquez has 1/2 a year.

RchW · 05-17-2015, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by redsox19934

Does anyone else have issues with service time and free agency in standard games? Christian Vazquez and Wilson Ramos become FA's after the 2015 season when Ramos has 5 yrs of service and Vazquez has 1/2 a year.

You can edit these easily. I think.

ohms_law · 05-17-2015, 12:24 PM

I was looking that these in a few league options the other day, and realized that I have no real feel for what the results would be to changing these numbers.

How are they determined in the first place? What would be the consequences to lengthening or shortening service time? How many days should service time be for, say, Independant leagues or Japanese leagues?

redsox19934 · 05-17-2015, 12:25 PM

I did. I put Ramos back on the Nats for one year and did the same for Vazquez. and the Red sox. The issue isn't a settings of service time its the game incorrectly making them FA's. Mike Leake for example became a FA after '15.

HoustonGM · 05-17-2015, 12:48 PM

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I did. I put Ramos back on the Nats for one year and did the same for Vazquez. and the Red sox. The issue isn't a settings of service time its the game incorrectly making them FA's. Mike Leake for example became a FA after '15.

Assuming Mike Leake played 2015 in the majors, he should be a FA after 2015. According to B-R, he's had 5 years of service time through 2014.

At any rate, what's likely happening is that the teams are non-tendering these players, not that they're reaching the FA service time.

Andy · 05-17-2015, 01:40 PM

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Assuming Mike Leake played 2015 in the majors, he should be a FA after 2015. According to B-R, he's had 5 years of service time through 2014.

At any rate, what's likely happening is that the teams are non-tendering these players, not that they're reaching the FA service time.

Yep, Leake is definitely a free agent after this season. We are going to lose him and Cueto I'm afraid.

ra7c7er · 05-17-2015, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ohms_law

I was looking that these in a few league options the other day, and realized that I have no real feel for what the results would be to changing these numbers.

How are they determined in the first place? What would be the consequences to lengthening or shortening service time? How many days should service time be for, say, Independant leagues or Japanese leagues?

Count the number of days from opening day to the end of the regular season. The default number of days in a year for independent leagues in game is 89 but depending on the situation I've seen a team or twos players wind up with 91 days service in a year.

HoustonGM · 05-17-2015, 10:01 PM

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Count the number of days from opening day to the end of the regular season. The default number of days in a year for independent leagues in game is 89 but depending on the situation I've seen a team or twos players wind up with 91 days service in a year.

The "year of service time" number of days should be slightly less than the overall number of days in the schedule, correct? In MLB, 172 days = 1 year of service time, but I believe there are 183 or so days in the season.

Le Grande Orange · 05-17-2015, 10:12 PM

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The "year of service time" number of days should be slightly less than the overall number of days in the schedule, correct? In MLB, 172 days = 1 year of service time, but I believe there are 183 or so days in the season.

That 172-day figure, from what I understand, has more to do with U.S. labour legislation rather than a relationship to the length of the season. Back in the 1950s, for example, when computing partial season service for determining if a player had ten years of service (and was thus able to refuse assignment to the minors), such partial service used a 172 days to a year ratio even though seasons were only 168 days long.

ohms_law · 05-22-2015, 02:20 PM

Now that you mention it, I definitely remember reading something about this before.

The real question here is, what does the game do with the service time number? Should I change the service time for leagues with shorter seasons, or just leave it at 172 for all teams?

sreem · 05-22-2015, 03:02 PM

HoustonGM is right, odds are they were non tendered. Went FA by way of no offer, not by way of service time

IsaacR · 05-22-2015, 03:34 PM

I think Vasquez becomes a minor league FA, as he's not on the 40 man in game because of his TJ surgery and he'd be a minor league FA IRL. Something wrong with the way OOTP treats the 60 day DL.

Le Grande Orange · 05-22-2015, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ohms_law

Now that you mention it, I definitely remember reading something about this before.

The real question here is, what does the game do with the service time number? Should I change the service time for leagues with shorter seasons, or just leave it at 172 for all teams?

It is really up to you. The thing to remember is that the higher you set the service time threshold relative to the calendar length of the season the longer it will take for a player with a lot of partial season service to become a free agent.

05-17-2015, 11:51 AM	#1
redsox19934 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 105	Service Time and Free Agency Does anyone else have issues with service time and free agency in standard games? Christian Vazquez and Wilson Ramos become FA's after the 2015 season when Ramos has 5 yrs of service and Vazquez has 1/2 a year.

05-17-2015, 12:24 PM	#3
ohms_law Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 232	I was looking that these in a few league options the other day, and realized that I have no real feel for what the results would be to changing these numbers. How are they determined in the first place? What would be the consequences to lengthening or shortening service time? How many days should service time be for, say, Independant leagues or Japanese leagues? __________________ You insist that there is something a machine cannot do. If you will tell me precisely what it is that a machine cannot do, then I can always make a machine which will do just that! -J. von Neumann

05-22-2015, 02:20 PM	#10
ohms_law Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 232	Now that you mention it, I definitely remember reading something about this before. The real question here is, what does the game do with the service time number? Should I change the service time for leagues with shorter seasons, or just leave it at 172 for all teams? __________________ You insist that there is something a machine cannot do. If you will tell me precisely what it is that a machine cannot do, then I can always make a machine which will do just that! -J. von Neumann

05-22-2015, 03:02 PM	#11
sreem All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 673	HoustonGM is right, odds are they were non tendered. Went FA by way of no offer, not by way of service time __________________ "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Except for bears....."

05-17-2015, 12:25 PM	#4
redsox19934 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 105	I did. I put Ramos back on the Nats for one year and did the same for Vazquez. and the Red sox. The issue isn't a settings of service time its the game incorrectly making them FA's. Mike Leake for example became a FA after '15.

05-22-2015, 03:34 PM	#12
IsaacR Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Bowie, Maryland Posts: 464	I think Vasquez becomes a minor league FA, as he's not on the 40 man in game because of his TJ surgery and he'd be a minor league FA IRL. Something wrong with the way OOTP treats the 60 day DL.