You kids get off my lawn!

[David Watts]

Ugh! Am I an old man at 50? A stick in the mud, grumpy old fool that longs for the good ole days? I'm starting to think so. No matter how hard I try to get into it, I just can't play OOTP past about the mid 80's. In fact, once the use of relievers gets to "often" I start to cringe. I think Normal Normal Normal might be my favorite period of play. When managers start yanking relief pitchers just for the sake of doing so, the game loses its appeal. Damn kids and their rock music and their complicated shoes

[Assos]

I am a good 10+ years younger but I too yearn for the days of a relief pitcher pitching a full inning or heaven forbid, two innings! And lesser home runs and more quality at bats. And two divisions per league.

The only modern stuff I am happy with is the fact that we have a team in the greater Tampa area! And the new, non cookie cutter baseball palaces.

[prisonerno6]

Well I am 48 and get the same feeling when I start to hit the early 1990's. I grin and bear it during the late 1980's but by the Strike Year (1994), Three (3) Divisions, WildCard and the steroid era, I have a hard time progressing any further. But I am a little different from you, as I curse these young'uns with their smart phones super glued to their hands and their EDM music(?).

Call me strange or down right weird, but I like playing in the Cookie-Cutter stadiums. For some reason I find all these new stadiums unappealing and, for me, all looking somewhat the same. Guess that would be from growing up watching baseball in the 1970's & 1980's during the heyday of Cookie Cutters. I will admit that these new stadiums really give a team a home-field advantage and have some players regretting leaving their old team's stadium.

[Padreman]

35 I wish I can hit the ball like I was able too when I was 17.18,19,20 I very active back then. I like playing mostly fictional back to the time when the legal small only about 8to 10. Teams but then gradually expand and see my creation on full before my eyes

[Bluenoser]

I always set my fictional leagues up with the following settings

4 Man rotation (stamina high) (in Lg setup)
5 MR (usage normal)
1 CL (usage often)

15 Batters

I find the pitcher usage is good (to my liking at least). I get the odd 25 game winner (25 is what I set the record book to for accomplishments) and have even seen a couple of 30 game winners.

This is a league where I don't manage a team, so it's all AI run teams and I'm really enjoying it.

One thing I'm finding though is if I enable the DH, the AI teams all go with 16 batters and 9 pitchers, using only 3 MR and the CL.

If I disable the DH, they all use 15 batters and 10 pitchers, putting another MR in.


I'm not a fan of the DH irl, but I generally use it in OOTP because I like the 4 man rotation. However with this league I've left it off in both sub-leagues and am happy with the results and pitcher usage.

[BeanballComin]

Hey mister .. will you throw the ball back ?

[stl jason]

Originally Posted by BeanballComin

Hey mister .. will you throw the ball back ?

sure, as long as you boys play a double-header and have one pitcher throw all 18 innings

[Assos]

I miss complete games. It is same that society as a whole, at least in the US and the sports world else where, as put a value on health and make citizens and team owners pay higher medical rates and that pitchers are not people but investments, hence the pitch count....
Ok, I am getting off on a pseudo political social commentary so I will end right there!

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

I always set my fictional leagues up with the following settings

4 Man rotation (stamina high) (in Lg setup)
5 MR (usage normal)
1 CL (usage often)

15 Batters

I find the pitcher usage is good (to my liking at least). I get the odd 25 game winner (25 is what I set the record book to for accomplishments) and have even seen a couple of 30 game winners.

This is a league where I don't manage a team, so it's all AI run teams and I'm really enjoying it.

One thing I'm finding though is if I enable the DH, the AI teams all go with 16 batters and 9 pitchers, using only 3 MR and the CL.

If I disable the DH, they all use 15 batters and 10 pitchers, putting another MR in.


I'm not a fan of the DH irl, but I generally use it in OOTP because I like the 4 man rotation. However with this league I've left it off in both sub-leagues and am happy with the results and pitcher usage.

I like using a 5 man rotation, but I always use "always start the highest rested."

I have a question for you and anyone else that would like to chime in. Do you think when playing OOTP that DH leagues make better use of their entire roster? By this, I mean giving regulars more rest. Playing backups etc. Probably a case of confirmation bias, but it often seems to me that in non DH leagues a lot of guys, only enter games as pinch hitters.

[Padreman]

Since I only use one level of minors I go with a 28 man roster. 15 position players and 13 pitchers 5 man rotation so I don't really need to call up anyone with small injuries. Even with 2 guys on the 15 day DL I can still get away with it

[rjl518]

"lets play two"
they really don't do that anymore...

I am so old...46...well my 18 year old says so

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by Padreman

Since I only use one level of minors I go with a 28 man roster. 15 position players and 13 pitchers 5 man rotation so I don't really need to call up anyone with small injuries. Even with 2 guys on the 15 day DL I can still get away with it

If you are not calling anyone up to replace them, why do you put them on the DL?

I cannot believe the stupidness going on now with teams with 7 and 8 man bullpens. Every extra-inning game, they are running out of players.

[mirrf]

Originally Posted by David Watts

You kids get off my lawn!

Originally Posted by BeanballComin

Hey mister .. will you throw the ball back ?

Anyone else think of this?

[Questdog]

They need to do away with the warm up pitches a reliever gets from the mound. Such a bore to slog through an inning with 2 or 3 pitcher changes.......

[Padreman]

Originally Posted by Questdog

If you are not calling anyone up to replace them, why do you put them on the DL?

I cannot believe the stupidness going on now with teams with 7 and 8 man bullpens. Every extra-inning game, they are running out of players.

Well I guess what mean is they should be
On the DL hit I don't out there. It works out fine for me. With one level of minors I may not have anyone worth bringing up anyways

[prisonerno6]

Originally Posted by Questdog

They need to do away with the warm up pitches a reliever gets from the mound. Such a bore to slog through an inning with 2 or 3 pitcher changes.......

I would guess that the 1974 Los Angeles Dodgers would disagree with you...

1974 World Series Game 5 - The A's staked Vida Blue to a 2–0 lead with single runs in the first and second innings on a sacrifice fly by Sal Bando and a solo homer by Ray Fosse. The Dodgers tied it in the sixth with two runs on a sacrifice fly by Jimmy Wynn and an RBI single by Steve Garvey.
Joe Rudi got what would turn out to be the game-winning RBI when he tagged Dodger ace reliever Mike Marshall with a solo homer in the seventh. On a cool, damp night in Oakland, Marshall, who always pitched in short sleeves, disdained his allowance of eight warm up pitches after coming in from the bull pen. Rudi hit his first pitch out. In the Dodgers half of the eighth, Bill Buckner led off with a base hit to center that got past center fielder Bill North. Buckner had an easy double, but tried to stretch it to a triple and Reggie Jackson, backing up North, fired a perfect throw to Dick Green, who relayed to Sal Bando at third to nail Buckner and squelch the last Dodger threat. In his youthful exuberance, Buckner broke the unwritten baseball rule to never make the first or third out at third base. It was even more critical given that he was the potential tying run. Rollie Fingers got his third save and was named series MVP.

Link to the Home Run - https://youtu.be/kNDX5fFhCd0?t=7207

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I like using a 5 man rotation, but I always use "always start the highest rested."

I have a question for you and anyone else that would like to chime in. Do you think when playing OOTP that DH leagues make better use of their entire roster? By this, I mean giving regulars more rest. Playing backups etc. Probably a case of confirmation bias, but it often seems to me that in non DH leagues a lot of guys, only enter games as pinch hitters.

I can't really say as I haven't paid a lot of attention to that. I see a fair amount of pinch hitters, but I also set "Defensive Substitutions" to "Often" in league setup. I like teams to put more emphasis on defense late in close games.

[ra7c7er]

Originally Posted by Padreman

Since I only use one level of minors I go with a 28 man roster. 15 position players and 13 pitchers 5 man rotation so I don't really need to call up anyone with small injuries. Even with 2 guys on the 15 day DL I can still get away with it

How does the AI typically breakdown a 28 man roster?

[Assos]

I am still a little too young to not completely curse the DH. I still remember a WPIX game where Phil "Scooter" Rizzuto first explained the DH to me in the early 80s I believe. It was like God explained to me that it was ok!

[OakDragon]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Ugh! Am I an old man at 50? A stick in the mud, grumpy old fool that longs for the good ole days? I'm starting to think so. No matter how hard I try to get into it, I just can't play OOTP past about the mid 80's. In fact, once the use of relievers gets to "often" I start to cringe. I think Normal Normal Normal might be my favorite period of play. When managers start yanking relief pitchers just for the sake of doing so, the game loses its appeal. Damn kids and their rock music and their complicated shoes

Yep. Same here. Whatever statistical era I feel like playing in, the first thing I always do is set everything to normal (endurance, relieve usage, etc.).