2023: 2 relievers, 2 Cy Young's

Habsfan18 · 08-24-2015, 02:42 AM

This happens a little too much for my liking (relievers winning the CY), so I may decide to manually vote going forward. But I thought this was pretty neat and wanted to share. Bailey is one of the more dominant closers I've seen, and has actually won back to back Cy Young's. Chai was a bit more of a surprise. An international free agent from Taiwan who signed a 1 year deal with the Cubs in the off-season..he managed to win the Cy Young, Reliever of the Year, and Rookie of the Year awards. He was also named an All-Star reserve after finishing 4th in voting for all National League relievers.

Have you guys seen this before?

The Game · 08-24-2015, 06:38 AM

I have seen it often, even pre OOTP 16 in my CBF league. I always manually vote for awards in my EBL vs MLB league which the CBF is in but I always ask the AI 1st then make changes as I see fit. I gave it to a CL in the EBL AL last season because of his dominance. AI chose a rookie SP with 16-7 3.41 record.
Bailey is as dominant as i have seen. The guy below is my leagues most dominant CL.
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3854379

sandman2575 · 08-24-2015, 09:27 PM

It does seem like the algorithm for selecting Cy Young winners needs to be tweaked. It should be very rare for closers to win the award -- not impossible, but they better have an overpowering season that clearly overshadows the elite league starters in order to win. That both NL and AL Cy Young winners in the same season would *both* be closers should be nearly impossible.

Posting a 2.4 or 2.1 WAR, while impressive, are not numbers that would automatically put a pitcher in the Cy Young running by any stretch. Did the starters all just have unspectacular seasons?

Bluenoser · 08-24-2015, 10:52 PM

Agreed - happens too often.
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Bluenoser · 08-24-2015, 10:56 PM

WAR for top 5 starters:

1961 - from 8.4 down to 7.2
1962 - from 7.2 - 5.7
1966 - from 8.5 - 6.0
1967 - from 8.2 - 6.4

I know WAR doesn't tell all, but those starters all had award winning type numbers.

Bluenoser · 08-24-2015, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sandman2575

It does seem like the algorithm for selecting Cy Young winners needs to be tweaked. It should be very rare for closers to win the award -- not impossible, but they better have an overpowering season that clearly overshadows the elite league starters in order to win. That both NL and AL Cy Young winners in the same season would *both* be closers should be nearly impossible.

Posting a 2.4 or 2.1 WAR, while impressive, are not numbers that would automatically put a pitcher in the Cy Young running by any stretch. Did the starters all just have unspectacular seasons?

I mentioned it on the Beta Forum and referenced this thread. Hopefully Matt can look at it.

08-24-2015, 02:42 AM	#1
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,249	2023: 2 relievers, 2 Cy Young's This happens a little too much for my liking (relievers winning the CY), so I may decide to manually vote going forward. But I thought this was pretty neat and wanted to share. Bailey is one of the more dominant closers I've seen, and has actually won back to back Cy Young's. Chai was a bit more of a surprise. An international free agent from Taiwan who signed a 1 year deal with the Cubs in the off-season..he managed to win the Cy Young, Reliever of the Year, and Rookie of the Year awards. He was also named an All-Star reserve after finishing 4th in voting for all National League relievers. Have you guys seen this before? Attached Images

08-24-2015, 06:38 AM	#2
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	I have seen it often, even pre OOTP 16 in my CBF league. I always manually vote for awards in my EBL vs MLB league which the CBF is in but I always ask the AI 1st then make changes as I see fit. I gave it to a CL in the EBL AL last season because of his dominance. AI chose a rookie SP with 16-7 3.41 record. Bailey is as dominant as i have seen. The guy below is my leagues most dominant CL. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3854379 __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

08-24-2015, 10:52 PM	#4
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,197	Agreed - happens too often. _ Attached Images

08-24-2015, 09:27 PM	#3
sandman2575 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Cambridge, MA Posts: 255	It does seem like the algorithm for selecting Cy Young winners needs to be tweaked. It should be very rare for closers to win the award -- not impossible, but they better have an overpowering season that clearly overshadows the elite league starters in order to win. That both NL and AL Cy Young winners in the same season would both be closers should be nearly impossible. Posting a 2.4 or 2.1 WAR, while impressive, are not numbers that would automatically put a pitcher in the Cy Young running by any stretch. Did the starters all just have unspectacular seasons?

08-24-2015, 10:56 PM	#5
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,197	WAR for top 5 starters: 1961 - from 8.4 down to 7.2 1962 - from 7.2 - 5.7 1966 - from 8.5 - 6.0 1967 - from 8.2 - 6.4 I know WAR doesn't tell all, but those starters all had award winning type numbers.