Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack - Page 1317

Terry D · 10-07-2015, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Merkle923

Pacella in the uniform of the Tigers, for whom he pitched just five times in 1989

I think that was 1986.

rico43 · 10-08-2015, 06:46 AM

You had me rethink this. Best way to do this is to look at both.

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Oriole1952 · 10-08-2015, 11:50 AM

Thanks for the reverse, great idea. I'm still thinking this may be Wilhelm. The red or orange bill on the hat could be an Orioles or Cardinals hat. Look at his fingers. Wilhelm threw a knuckler with his finger tips. The way his fingers look in this pic could be what they looked like after throwing his top pitch. I went back and looked at his earlier pics with the Giants, Orioles and the one or 2 out there with the Cards and there is a resemblemce. Not 100% sure, but it's close. Thanks again!

Merkle923 · 10-08-2015, 04:02 PM

Firstly, with rare exception Topps did not waste the man hours to hand paint black and white team-issued photos of players for whom they already had color images.

Secondly, the coloring isn't orange, it's red, slightly faded from the process of photographing a photograph (and the negative aging over half a century). There are colorized Orioles shots from this era (see the Charlie White image posted several pages back, in the catcher's chest protestor) and it becomes evident Topps made sure there was no chance the orange could be mistaken for red. If anything, this is a Braves' minor league pitcher (possibly Vic Rehm - vague resemblance) and the cap is blank because it had displayed the logo of a minor league team. Plenty of these Braves have been sold by Topps Vault in the last few years.

Thirdly, there would be no call to take an Orioles image of Wilhelm and eliminate the cap logo - which has clearly happened in this case. Wilhelm was only traded by Baltimore after the early 1963 cards went to press and was thus shown in an Oriole uniform. By the time of the 1964 set Topps had plenty of images of Wilhelm with the White Sox.

Merkle923 · 10-08-2015, 04:05 PM

Not impossible to find in color in a Texas uniform from his only major league season (1976), but tough.

Merkle923 · 10-08-2015, 04:08 PM

Made me laugh when the card came out of the packs in March, 1970. Made me laugh when it showed up on their hosting site today. The explanation was that his off-season profession was Detective.

Merkle923 · 10-08-2015, 04:11 PM

Palmer pitched for a lot of teams but here's one he didn't make. He was in camp with the 1974 Yankees, by which time presumably his gumshoe work had dried up and he could back off to using merely tinted shades.

Merkle923 · 10-08-2015, 04:14 PM

Not a lot of the exotically named reliever who was once dealt for Denny McLain. Here he is with the Braves in 1973.

Merkle923 · 10-08-2015, 04:16 PM

Cub and Cleveland first baseman/outfielder with terrific AAA power and almost nothing in the majors in five tries at the big show.

Merkle923 · 10-08-2015, 04:18 PM

Second most famous Papi in Red Sox history, the one for whom Boston infamously traded Bill Lee. Utility infielder, later dished off to Detroit.

Terry D · 10-08-2015, 09:20 PM

Austin Powers Man of Mystery, RHP! [OK, HOW THE HECK DOES ONE DELETE A POST?]

Terry D · 10-08-2015, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merkle923

Made me laugh when the card came out of the packs in March, 1970. Made me laugh when it showed up on their hosting site today. The explanation was that his off-season profession was Detective.

Austin Powers Man of Mystery, RHP!

ThatSeventiesGuy · 10-08-2015, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merkle923

Made me laugh when the card came out of the packs in March, 1970. Made me laugh when it showed up on their hosting site today. The explanation was that his off-season profession was Detective.

An honorary Blues Brother.

Amazin69 · 10-09-2015, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Merkle923

Made me laugh when the card came out of the packs in March, 1970. Made me laugh when it showed up on their hosting site today. The explanation was that his off-season profession was Detective.

That's not the pic for the 1970 Palmer. This is:

You can tell that the one Merkle posted couldn't have made an early-series 1970 Topps card because the Phils didn't wear the "Big P" uniforms until 1970. So any shots of them in those uniswould only be in the latest of the 1970 series (if the pics were rushed back from spring training, but this is clearly at Shea), or more likely the '71s

I suppose reception for the 1970 card was so good they asked Lowell to replicate the pose for '71. And of course they pretty much did, although again, it wasn't that particular shot:

thecatspajamas · 10-09-2015, 09:22 PM

Spring of 1927 with the New York Giants

thecatspajamas · 10-09-2015, 09:27 PM

With his team jacket on.

Merkle923 · 10-09-2015, 10:25 PM

I'm sorry - who said anything about that being the photo on the 1970 Palmer card?

I wrote that the sunglasses made me laugh the first time I saw them (on his card in 1970's second series) and 45 years later they make me laugh still.

Amazin69 · 10-10-2015, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Merkle923

I'm sorry - who said anything about that being the photo on the 1970 Palmer card?

I wrote that the sunglasses made me laugh the first time I saw them (on his card in 1970's second series) and 45 years later they make me laugh still.

Well, not exactly:

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Made me laugh when the card came out of the packs in March, 1970. Made me laugh when it showed up on their hosting site today.

The word "sunglasses" is never mentioned, and the "it" in the second sentence implies that what showed up on the hosting site today is the same thing that was on the 1970 card. Logically referring to the image as a whole, hence my correction.

Apologies for misunderstanding what you meant, but the wording was ambiguous, IMO.

FatJack · 10-10-2015, 07:27 PM

Nobody else was bidding on them, so I bought the Jesse Jefferson "match prints" that I'd posted the sale images of here. I figured they'd scan larger, which they do. And I was curious anyway, having bought a few negatives/transparencies before, but never a "match print". The listing also promised the envelope with whatever assorted ephemera was therein. The envelopes were just regular sized white envelopes cut in half with the year and player name noted and the only ephemera was Jesse's 1979 Topps card, which might have struck me as cooler if I didn't already have several from packs back in the day. At least it didn't have one of those foil stamps on it they do nowadays.

Anywho, here they are with some attempts at color correction. Colors do attempt to pool on these old shots, though.

And, oh yeah, LET'S GO METS!

rico43 · 10-10-2015, 08:16 PM

There have some nice hits on the open Vault Folders in the past week, whittling down the number of non-ID'd images to a remarkably small number.

Folder BC, with over 2,025 images, is down to nine unknown images. Here's one (2159):

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Here is the final ID from Folder GF (095)

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A slowly shrinking Folder II is down to this (879):

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The final ID (934) image for Folder EC (tried to convince myself this was Johnny Pesky)

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Dying to know if this guy was a 60s-era Lookout (GN286)

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Thanks to one and all...

10-08-2015, 06:46 AM	#26322
rico43 Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chattanooga and Internet Posts: 476 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	You Make The Call You had me rethink this. Best way to do this is to look at both. CA150 HG563

10-08-2015, 11:50 AM	#26323
Oriole1952 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 54	Still Wilhelm? Thanks for the reverse, great idea. I'm still thinking this may be Wilhelm. The red or orange bill on the hat could be an Orioles or Cardinals hat. Look at his fingers. Wilhelm threw a knuckler with his finger tips. The way his fingers look in this pic could be what they looked like after throwing his top pitch. I went back and looked at his earlier pics with the Giants, Orioles and the one or 2 out there with the Cards and there is a resemblemce. Not 100% sure, but it's close. Thanks again!

10-08-2015, 04:02 PM	#26324
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,159	It is not Wilhelm Firstly, with rare exception Topps did not waste the man hours to hand paint black and white team-issued photos of players for whom they already had color images. Secondly, the coloring isn't orange, it's red, slightly faded from the process of photographing a photograph (and the negative aging over half a century). There are colorized Orioles shots from this era (see the Charlie White image posted several pages back, in the catcher's chest protestor) and it becomes evident Topps made sure there was no chance the orange could be mistaken for red. If anything, this is a Braves' minor league pitcher (possibly Vic Rehm - vague resemblance) and the cap is blank because it had displayed the logo of a minor league team. Plenty of these Braves have been sold by Topps Vault in the last few years. Thirdly, there would be no call to take an Orioles image of Wilhelm and eliminate the cap logo - which has clearly happened in this case. Wilhelm was only traded by Baltimore after the early 1963 cards went to press and was thus shown in an Oriole uniform. By the time of the 1964 set Topps had plenty of images of Wilhelm with the White Sox.

10-08-2015, 04:05 PM	#26325
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,159	Ken Pape 1976 Not impossible to find in color in a Texas uniform from his only major league season (1976), but tough. Attached Images

10-08-2015, 04:08 PM	#26326
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,159	Lowell Palmer 1969 Never Fails To Make Me Laugh Made me laugh when the card came out of the packs in March, 1970. Made me laugh when it showed up on their hosting site today. The explanation was that his off-season profession was Detective. Attached Images

10-08-2015, 04:11 PM	#26327
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,159	Lowell Palmer in 1974 Palmer pitched for a lot of teams but here's one he didn't make. He was in camp with the 1974 Yankees, by which time presumably his gumshoe work had dried up and he could back off to using merely tinted shades. Attached Images

10-08-2015, 04:14 PM	#26328
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,159	Jim Panther 1971 Not a lot of the exotically named reliever who was once dealt for Denny McLain. Here he is with the Braves in 1973. Attached Images

10-08-2015, 04:16 PM	#26329
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,159	Karl Pagel 1978 Cub and Cleveland first baseman/outfielder with terrific AAA power and almost nothing in the majors in five tries at the big show. Attached Images

10-08-2015, 04:18 PM	#26330
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,159	Stan Papi 1974 Second most famous Papi in Red Sox history, the one for whom Boston infamously traded Bill Lee. Utility infielder, later dished off to Detroit. Attached Images

10-08-2015, 09:20 PM	#26331
Terry D Major Leagues Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 419	Austin Powers Man of Mystery, RHP! [OK, HOW THE HECK DOES ONE DELETE A POST?] Last edited by Terry D; 10-08-2015 at 09:29 PM.

10-09-2015, 09:22 PM	#26335
thecatspajamas Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Franklin, TN Posts: 39	Jim Hamby Spring of 1927 with the New York Giants Attached Images __________________ If I'm posting a scan, the original was (and may still be) available in my store: The Cat's Pajamas Collectibles

10-09-2015, 09:27 PM	#26336
thecatspajamas Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Franklin, TN Posts: 39	Benn Karr (1927 Cleveland Indians) With his team jacket on. Attached Images __________________ If I'm posting a scan, the original was (and may still be) available in my store: The Cat's Pajamas Collectibles

10-09-2015, 10:25 PM	#26337
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,159	Lowell Palmer I'm sorry - who said anything about that being the photo on the 1970 Palmer card? I wrote that the sunglasses made me laugh the first time I saw them (on his card in 1970's second series) and 45 years later they make me laugh still.

10-10-2015, 07:27 PM	#26339
FatJack All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 847	Jesse Jefferson (Reprise) Nobody else was bidding on them, so I bought the Jesse Jefferson "match prints" that I'd posted the sale images of here. I figured they'd scan larger, which they do. And I was curious anyway, having bought a few negatives/transparencies before, but never a "match print". The listing also promised the envelope with whatever assorted ephemera was therein. The envelopes were just regular sized white envelopes cut in half with the year and player name noted and the only ephemera was Jesse's 1979 Topps card, which might have struck me as cooler if I didn't already have several from packs back in the day. At least it didn't have one of those foil stamps on it they do nowadays. Anywho, here they are with some attempts at color correction. Colors do attempt to pool on these old shots, though. And, oh yeah, LET'S GO METS! Attached Images

10-10-2015, 08:16 PM	#26340
rico43 Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chattanooga and Internet Posts: 476 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	Bringing the Vault to its knees! There have some nice hits on the open Vault Folders in the past week, whittling down the number of non-ID'd images to a remarkably small number. Folder BC, with over 2,025 images, is down to nine unknown images. Here's one (2159): Here is the final ID from Folder GF (095) A slowly shrinking Folder II is down to this (879): The final ID (934) image for Folder EC (tried to convince myself this was Johnny Pesky) Dying to know if this guy was a 60s-era Lookout (GN286) Thanks to one and all... Last edited by rico43; 10-10-2015 at 08:18 PM.