Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack - Page 1321

Ctrane · 10-19-2015, 08:38 PM

Charlie Wilson - 1931 as a Columbus Red Bird

redsfan1940 · 10-20-2015, 01:03 AM

Regarding Pena, wasnt he shown on a 1959 Topps card in a Reds uniform? Merkle indicated he thought Topps never got him in a Reds uniform.

Merkle923 · 10-20-2015, 02:00 PM

Correct. Topps never got him in a Reds uniform - all they did was colorize this 1958 team-issued black and white shot for use on his 1959 card (and use the same image as the "action" picture on his 1963 card, with logos airbrushed away).

It just strikes me odd that he spent all of 1960, parts of the 1958, 1960 and 1961 seasons, and at least those four Spring Trainings with the Reds, yet the only evidence that they might have photographed him in a Cincinnati uniform is the cap less shot with the vague background on his 1963 card.

Merkle923 · 10-20-2015, 09:52 PM

In a Reds' uniform, in one of those rare early Topps Vault postings before it dawned on them to watermark them (or scan them at even medium-def). Sent to me by a contact who saved the download originating on eBay eight years ago.

This looks more 1960 than 1959 but not an obvious way to tell. But it is consistent with the 1963 capless image with the really unfocused background - which we now know is Wrigley Field.

Merkle923 · 10-20-2015, 10:55 PM

A fascinating piece in the November Hunt Auction - a 22" by 25" display of photos of the Washington American League team: 20 small portraits to the waist, in ovals, one large center portrait marked "1904."

1904 would be a good guess - that big picture in the middle looks like Patsy Donovan, the underrated 17-year outfielder who managed the Washington's from May 11, 1904 through the end of the season - and the catcher in the second row, second from the right, sure looks like the equally superannuated Malachi Kittridge (who started the season as player-manager). Right above him would seem to be fellow catcher Boileryard Clarke, who was in Washington from 1901 through 1904.

The problem is the uniforms.

Those ones with the ornate, almost spiked "W's" (top row, upper left) can date only to the 1903 season, but from the franchise's start, the serifed thick block letter "W" unis were, per Okkonen's authoritative guide on the subject, only worn in the road uniforms of 1905 and 1911- and not again until 1938 (there is a block letter "W" home uniform from 1902, but it's sans serif, and worn over an outlined chest pocket no less).

Just to ratchet up the mystery, of course - no ID's. Happy Hunting.

Merkle923 · 10-20-2015, 11:01 PM

Didn't recognize him when Topps uploaded him to the storage site, but now he's been identified on eBay.

It's the elusive very brief Brave pitcher from 1984:

rico43 · 10-20-2015, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Merkle923

In a Reds' uniform, in one of those rare early Topps Vault postings before it dawned on them to watermark them (or scan them at even medium-def). Sent to me by a contact who saved the download originating on eBay eight years ago.

This looks more 1960 than 1959 but not an obvious way to tell. But it is consistent with the 1963 capless image with the really unfocused background - which we now know is Wrigley Field.

While we respect Merkle's phrashing, those of have access to the Topps Folder UU at that "other" site, this Pena image is UU469.

Merkle923 · 10-20-2015, 11:56 PM

If you're going to get territorial about images that don't belong to you, or me, or this forum, or any other, may I suggest that you keep your logic consistent and not hypocritical? Why not ask only your own members at the "other site" to which you refer, to identity the extraordinary volume of players whose names and faces are total mysteries to you?

tnfoto · 10-21-2015, 01:33 AM

1949 Senators, from Who's Who in the Major Leagues.

rico43 · 10-21-2015, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merkle923

If you're going to get territorial about images that don't belong to you, or me, or this forum, or any other, may I suggest that you keep your logic consistent and not hypocritical? Why not ask only your own members at the "other site" to which you refer, to identity the extraordinary volume of players whose names and faces are total mysteries to you?

I didn't realize that was what I was doing. I apologize. I have tried to tread carefully to avoid offending, angering or otherwise colliding with other posters and their projects. Extraordinary volume of IDs? I suppose so, but I have been ID'ing them with only my recollection, clues and no background in the TV project. I could walk away at any time, but my nature is to finish something I started or help start any way I can. I'm just a guy in Chattanooga with limited resources and contacts doing the best I can.

I felt both sites benefitted from the work, but I have tried not to overwhelm this site with them. You and others have made it so much of a success that, by current count, we have ID'd 102 different "Folders."

With John over at BB Birthdays tracking each TV release now, there isn't much left to do. The light is at the end of the tunnel. By the end of the year this project will be as complete as it can be.

And that's an awesome feeling, that so many people have been willing to contribue seeing it done right -- and some of that is fixing mistakes I made along the way.

And once it's done, you won't be having much of me here, or there.

hobbs11 · 10-21-2015, 10:40 AM

Forum members, there is such a good thing going on this and the 'other' board that have like minded people locating, sharing, and identifying pictures, that it's easy to step on toes. I know I've done it in the past, however with tnfoto and John's help I've continually tried to offer the right etiquette at the right time.

No soapbox here mind you, just a push to continue to offer the unique service that you all do. It is greatly appreciated and sincerely valued at least by this poster.

And then maybe, just maybe that clear color photo of Tom Underwood as a Cardinal from 1977 will finally reveal itself..... (Sorry - I couldn't help myself....)

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Originally Posted by rico43

I didn't realize that was what I was doing. I apologize. I have tried to tread carefully to avoid offending, angering or otherwise colliding with other posters and their projects. Extraordinary volume of IDs? I suppose so, but I have been ID'ing them with only my recollection, clues and no background in the TV project. I could walk away at any time, but my nature is to finish something I started or help start any way I can. I'm just a guy in Chattanooga with limited resources and contacts doing the best I can.

With John over at BB Birthdays tracking each TV release now, there isn't much left to do. The light is at the end of the tunnel. By the end of the year this project will be as complete as it can be.

.

hobbs11 · 10-21-2015, 05:00 PM

See....Merkle's unicorn has shown itself....courtesy of Topps Vault...

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3845110

BoomGaspar · 10-21-2015, 05:37 PM

Hi everyone...brand new here, but this is a great resource for finding player images. Hopefully this is an acceptable place to post this...I know a lot of the pictures in these posts seem to be players from the early days of baseball, but I'm looking for some Detroit Tigers pictures from the mid-'90s. Looking for:
1993 - Dave Johnson (P), Mark Grater (P)
1994 - Greg Cadaret (P)
1995 - Kevin Wickander (P), Derrick White (OF), Ron Tingley (C), Franklin Stubbs (OF), Dwayne Henry (P)
1996 - Phil Hiatt (INF), John Farrell (P), Jeff McCurry (P), Tom Urbani (P), Mike Walker (P), Todd Van Poppel (P), Bob Scanlan (P)
I know this is a ton of requests for a first timer, but anything anyone has would be great! Thanks!

Merkle923 · 10-21-2015, 07:50 PM

Amazing, huh? And it underscores that the Topps archive is MUCH larger than what was stored in New York, because Kingman with the Yankees was the first image I looked for in my 20-odd visits to the room.

It's a lovely white whale but it still means I have to unpack everything I have in storage looking for a color shot I took of him from the stands - in the same spot on the field, same pose - but haven't seen in 20 years.

Yes, I am Eeyore.

Merkle923 · 10-21-2015, 07:58 PM

Never saw him in a Twins uniform before - near the end in 1961.

BTW yes, the Kingman suggests there could be a stash of unsorted 1977 images somewhere. Not that Underwood will show up but my guess would be the odds it exists went up 50% today.

Merkle923 · 10-21-2015, 08:00 PM

I think this is the second image of him with the 1960 Senators.

keonleafs · 10-21-2015, 08:32 PM

Two rare batting poses, but both reversed. Whisenant was a righthanded hitter.

SDL · 10-21-2015, 10:11 PM

Looking for any images of Tom Satriano?

rico43 · 10-21-2015, 10:14 PM

A few more misidentified images. Plus a couple of more MIAs.

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Last HG ID: HG373 (Is this O'Dell?)
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Again, trying to rid the folders of known mistakes ASAP.

rico43 · 10-21-2015, 10:26 PM

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Looking for any images of Tom Satriano?

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10-19-2015, 08:38 PM	#26401
Ctrane Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Newington, CT Posts: 2,299	Charlie Wilson - 1931 as a Columbus Red Bird Attached Images Last edited by Ctrane; 10-19-2015 at 08:41 PM.

10-20-2015, 01:03 AM	#26402
redsfan1940 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 24	Orlando Pena Regarding Pena, wasnt he shown on a 1959 Topps card in a Reds uniform? Merkle indicated he thought Topps never got him in a Reds uniform.

10-20-2015, 02:00 PM	#26403
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,164	Orlando Pena / Topps Correct. Topps never got him in a Reds uniform - all they did was colorize this 1958 team-issued black and white shot for use on his 1959 card (and use the same image as the "action" picture on his 1963 card, with logos airbrushed away). It just strikes me odd that he spent all of 1960, parts of the 1958, 1960 and 1961 seasons, and at least those four Spring Trainings with the Reds, yet the only evidence that they might have photographed him in a Cincinnati uniform is the cap less shot with the vague background on his 1963 card. Attached Images

10-20-2015, 09:52 PM	#26404
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,164	I Stand Corrected! Orlando Pena 1958 In a Reds' uniform, in one of those rare early Topps Vault postings before it dawned on them to watermark them (or scan them at even medium-def). Sent to me by a contact who saved the download originating on eBay eight years ago. This looks more 1960 than 1959 but not an obvious way to tell. But it is consistent with the 1963 capless image with the really unfocused background - which we now know is Wrigley Field. Attached Images

10-20-2015, 10:55 PM	#26405
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,164	Your Washington National Senators A fascinating piece in the November Hunt Auction - a 22" by 25" display of photos of the Washington American League team: 20 small portraits to the waist, in ovals, one large center portrait marked "1904." 1904 would be a good guess - that big picture in the middle looks like Patsy Donovan, the underrated 17-year outfielder who managed the Washington's from May 11, 1904 through the end of the season - and the catcher in the second row, second from the right, sure looks like the equally superannuated Malachi Kittridge (who started the season as player-manager). Right above him would seem to be fellow catcher Boileryard Clarke, who was in Washington from 1901 through 1904. The problem is the uniforms. Those ones with the ornate, almost spiked "W's" (top row, upper left) can date only to the 1903 season, but from the franchise's start, the serifed thick block letter "W" unis were, per Okkonen's authoritative guide on the subject, only worn in the road uniforms of 1905 and 1911- and not again until 1938 (there is a block letter "W" home uniform from 1902, but it's sans serif, and worn over an outlined chest pocket no less). Just to ratchet up the mystery, of course - no ID's. Happy Hunting. Attached Images

10-20-2015, 11:01 PM	#26406
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,164	Mike Payne 1984 Didn't recognize him when Topps uploaded him to the storage site, but now he's been identified on eBay. It's the elusive very brief Brave pitcher from 1984: Attached Images

10-20-2015, 11:56 PM	#26408
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,164	If you're going to get territorial about images that don't belong to you, or me, or this forum, or any other, may I suggest that you keep your logic consistent and not hypocritical? Why not ask only your own members at the "other site" to which you refer, to identity the extraordinary volume of players whose names and faces are total mysteries to you?

10-21-2015, 01:33 AM	#26409
tnfoto Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Port Angeles, WA Posts: 12,715	Ed Klieman 1943 UIN Senators 1949 Senators, from Who's Who in the Major Leagues. Attached Images __________________ TNFOTO: baseball careers ended "Through No Fault Of Their Own" Facepack updated 4/5/2022 Info & download links here. Missing player/manager/umpire list or Pegasus UIN list Download Facepack & more at tnfoto's Baseball Photos Homepage Photo threads: 2025 Debuts Majors Managers Coaches Umpires Minors Negro League Image Requests General Image Discussion

10-21-2015, 05:00 PM	#26412
hobbs11 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: St Louis Posts: 598	Dave Kingman - Yankees - 3 glorious weeks in '77 See....Merkle's unicorn has shown itself....courtesy of Topps Vault... http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3845110 Attached Images Last edited by hobbs11; 10-21-2015 at 05:19 PM.

10-21-2015, 05:37 PM	#26413
BoomGaspar Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 3	Hi everyone...brand new here, but this is a great resource for finding player images. Hopefully this is an acceptable place to post this...I know a lot of the pictures in these posts seem to be players from the early days of baseball, but I'm looking for some Detroit Tigers pictures from the mid-'90s. Looking for: 1993 - Dave Johnson (P), Mark Grater (P) 1994 - Greg Cadaret (P) 1995 - Kevin Wickander (P), Derrick White (OF), Ron Tingley (C), Franklin Stubbs (OF), Dwayne Henry (P) 1996 - Phil Hiatt (INF), John Farrell (P), Jeff McCurry (P), Tom Urbani (P), Mike Walker (P), Todd Van Poppel (P), Bob Scanlan (P) I know this is a ton of requests for a first timer, but anything anyone has would be great! Thanks!

10-21-2015, 07:50 PM	#26414
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,164	Kingman Amazing, huh? And it underscores that the Topps archive is MUCH larger than what was stored in New York, because Kingman with the Yankees was the first image I looked for in my 20-odd visits to the room. It's a lovely white whale but it still means I have to unpack everything I have in storage looking for a color shot I took of him from the stands - in the same spot on the field, same pose - but haven't seen in 20 years. Yes, I am Eeyore.

10-21-2015, 07:58 PM	#26415
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,164	Pete Whisenant 1952 Never saw him in a Twins uniform before - near the end in 1961. BTW yes, the Kingman suggests there could be a stash of unsorted 1977 images somewhere. Not that Underwood will show up but my guess would be the odds it exists went up 50% today. Attached Images

10-21-2015, 08:00 PM	#26416
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,164	Whisenant 1952 I think this is the second image of him with the 1960 Senators. Attached Images

10-21-2015, 08:32 PM	#26417
keonleafs Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 445	Pete Whisenant Two rare batting poses, but both reversed. Whisenant was a righthanded hitter.

10-21-2015, 10:11 PM	#26418
SDL Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 257	Looking for any images of Tom Satriano? Last edited by SDL; 10-21-2015 at 10:12 PM.

10-21-2015, 10:14 PM	#26419
rico43 Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chattanooga and Internet Posts: 476 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	More Errata A few more misidentified images. Plus a couple of more MIAs. Not Shopay (HH767) Not Corbin (EM783) Not Hilgendorf (EM132) No ID on GJ932 Last HG ID: HG373 (Is this O'Dell?) Again, trying to rid the folders of known mistakes ASAP.