Historical MLB/Minors roster and db issues go here - Page 16

Abnerdoubleday · 04-13-2016, 02:55 PM

In 1976 the Pawtucket Red Sox changed their name to the Rhode Island Red Sox for one year. When playing with coaches on, the game sort of treated it as a new team, firing all the existing coaches and manager and signing new ones. It didn't touch the rosters, that was alright, just the personnel got sacked.

actionjackson · 04-13-2016, 03:07 PM

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I understand now. He's still showing as reynorj01 in the historical lineups database though, which I assume, and I could be wrong, is why he's not showing up in the lineups. Not a huge deal to me, was just curious. Thanks!

Could be that that's how Lahman had him, and if that's the case then there could be a problem with two different R.J. Reynolds'.

actionjackson · 04-13-2016, 03:16 PM

Alex Rios was born in Coffee, AL. Went to school in Puerto Rico, and I'm pretty sure he's Puerto Rican, but he was born in Coffee.

Spritze · 04-13-2016, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rustoleum

I understand now. He's still showing as reynorj01 in the historical lineups database though, which I assume, and I could be wrong, is why he's not showing up in the lineups. Not a huge deal to me, was just curious. Thanks!

The historical lineups database is not in my purview. Neither is the uniform number. I do not know who updates them. I have a list of the 199 differences betwixt Lahman and BBref they could use to update those. You are correct in that the difference is why the Uni number does not show as well.

David Watts · 04-13-2016, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Alex Rios was born in Coffee, AL. Went to school in Puerto Rico, and I'm pretty sure he's Puerto Rican, but he was born in Coffee.

Us Michigan folk always get slighted in this regard Verne Ruhle is always from Coleman Texas, when everyone knows he's the pride and joy of Coleman Michigan. Jim Northrup might just be the only person Breckenridge Michigan has ever had to brag about and the the DB has him coming from Breckenridge Texas. Little known Keith Miller(Kansas City and the Mets, whom, I almost got to play against in Connie Mack ball. Thank goodness we didn't, his team was a powerhouse. My team could hardly put on our uniforms) is from Midland Michigan, but the db has him being Midland Texas.

actionjackson · 04-13-2016, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Us Michigan folk always get slighted in this regard Verne Ruhle is always from Coleman Texas, when everyone knows he's the pride and joy of Coleman Michigan. Jim Northrup might just be the only person Breckenridge Michigan has ever had to brag about and the the DB has him coming from Breckenridge Texas. Little known Keith Miller(Kansas City and the Mets, whom, I almost got to play against in Connie Mack ball. Thank goodness we didn't, his team was a powerhouse. My team could hardly put on our uniforms) is from Midland Michigan, but the db has him being Midland Texas.

Zach Putnam - Rochester, NY...Um nope. Rochester, MI.
Josh Collmenter - Homer, AK...Nope. Homer, MI.

It is a monstrous undertaking though and some errors may have happened over the years.

actionjackson · 04-13-2016, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

I'm meaning gap seasons. Regular seasons have been reworked and will all exist. I did remove the emergency position players as pitchers though. So no more Ted Williams being rated as a pitcher.

You took care of Ted Williams which is awesome. I'm just curious as to how Bob Lemon would import because he has been known to come in as a position player during his service years. CF I believe.

Spritze · 04-13-2016, 07:22 PM

He will do an anti-Ruth, POS player to P

David Watts · 04-13-2016, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Zach Putnam - Rochester, NY...Um nope. Rochester, MI.
Josh Collmenter - Homer, AK...Nope. Homer, MI.

It is a monstrous undertaking though and some errors may have happened over the years.

Not even sure if these are database errors or just the game choosing the wrong state to go with the city. Not a big deal to me.

bwburke94 · 04-14-2016, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Not even sure if these are database errors or just the game choosing the wrong state to go with the city. Not a big deal to me.

Reminds me of the old bug that had the California Angels play in California, MD.

Spritze · 04-14-2016, 11:27 AM

Next newt update besides knocking off the emergency pitchers I also removed fielding records for those who played less than 10 games at a position unless that was all they had.

Bigrod · 04-14-2016, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Us Michigan folk always get slighted in this regard Verne Ruhle is always from Coleman Texas, when everyone knows he's the pride and joy of Coleman Michigan. Jim Northrup might just be the only person Breckenridge Michigan has ever had to brag about and the the DB has him coming from Breckenridge Texas. Little known Keith Miller(Kansas City and the Mets, whom, I almost got to play against in Connie Mack ball. Thank goodness we didn't, his team was a powerhouse. My team could hardly put on our uniforms) is from Midland Michigan, but the db has him being Midland Texas.

Ok...I looked at our roster editor and that may be where the prob. started as they was set wrong. Verne Ruhle, Jim Northrup and Keith Miller...now from Michigan.

Even though I've fixed these, they may not update in the historical db as I can't fix them in there and I don't think any of that data gets pulled from our online db.

One thing I know for sure, is that it's not a game bug and never has been.

Best thing everyone can do is to make a list of these type errors and at some point send them to me or Spritze and we'll do our best to get them fixed.
Please include their minors and mlb ids with their names else they'll be super hard to find as there are many same name players.
Thanks

Ravi · 04-15-2016, 03:47 AM

Clay Carson (carson002cla)
C. Carson (carson001c--)

Background: Pretty straightforward. Carson was optioned by Vernon (PCL) to Shreveport (TL) in May 1924 as part of a larger trade and reported back to Vernon in 1925, which then immediately optioned him to Lincoln (WL, carson003---).

Ravi · 04-15-2016, 04:23 AM

John Bertram Adams (adamsbe01, adams-003joh) Bert Adams Minor Leagues Statistics & History | Baseball-Reference.com
Jack Adams (adams-001jac) Jack Adams Minor Leagues Statistics & History | Baseball-Reference.com

Background: Veteran major league catcher (Cleveland Naps, Phillies), "Bert" Adams was actually known as Jack Adams throughout his entire career. This is shown in the 1910 clipping below (Cleveland Plain Dealer; Aug 14, 1910; pg. 14), as well as many other articles easily found through google news (https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,4907745&hl=en).

Not sure why BBref went with "Bert" Adams. In fact, I couldn't find one contemporary source that referred to him as Bert. In any case, the person who created the record for Jack Adams (adams-001jac) clearly didn't know this.

Lukok · 04-20-2016, 07:52 AM

In a historical game I drafted Wily Mo Pena in 1998, however his real life stats show he's never been in MLB, and spent the career in minors.

Is that because his historical id is empty? It should be penawi01 I guess. I'm guessing there's no way to fix that in the middle of a save?

David Watts · 04-20-2016, 08:58 AM

Not a bug, but a question about historical minors. I started a thread in the main forum about too many home runs being hit in the 1920 Texas League (720 total). Straight out of the box setup. I made no changes. One thing I noticed is the box for "Adjust league totals modifiers for accuracy" is not checked for the Texas League. It is checked for the MLB. Does this box need to be checked for the Texas League as well? Thanks.

Hoiles · 04-20-2016, 11:24 AM

There's two Chan Ho Parks- the major league one with good rating's first name is Chan Ho last name Park, the minor league one with bad ratings's first name is Chan, last name Ho Park. Maybe there's other duplicate Asian three-name players?

Spritze · 04-20-2016, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Not a bug, but a question about historical minors. I started a thread in the main forum about too many home runs being hit in the 1920 Texas League (720 total). Straight out of the box setup. I made no changes. One thing I noticed is the box for "Adjust league totals modifiers for accuracy" is not checked for the Texas League. It is checked for the MLB. Does this box need to be checked for the Texas League as well? No Thanks.

Default is best.

Spritze · 04-20-2016, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoiles

There's two Chan Ho Parks- the major league one with good rating's first name is Chan Ho last name Park, the minor league one with bad ratings's first name is Chan, last name Ho Park. Maybe there's other duplicate Asian three-name players?

I'll check. Probably are. 935 of these about half are correct with a space in the last name half are not. Will need to be updated 1 by 1.

Done

David Watts · 04-20-2016, 12:00 PM

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Default is best.

Thanks. I guess my 1920 results are an oddity. The 1920 Texas League season is over. I have about 14 games remaining on the MLB schedule. I will be interested to see what kind of numbers 1921 brings for the Texas and Pacific Coast leagues.

04-13-2016, 02:55 PM	#301
Abnerdoubleday Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 203	1976 PawSox In 1976 the Pawtucket Red Sox changed their name to the Rhode Island Red Sox for one year. When playing with coaches on, the game sort of treated it as a new team, firing all the existing coaches and manager and signing new ones. It didn't touch the rosters, that was alright, just the personnel got sacked.

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actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,163	Alex Rios was born in Coffee, AL. Went to school in Puerto Rico, and I'm pretty sure he's Puerto Rican, but he was born in Coffee. Last edited by actionjackson; 04-13-2016 at 03:17 PM.

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Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	He will do an anti-Ruth, POS player to P __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

04-14-2016, 11:27 AM	#311
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Next newt update besides knocking off the emergency pitchers I also removed fielding records for those who played less than 10 games at a position unless that was all they had. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

04-15-2016, 03:47 AM	#313
Ravi Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Paris, France Posts: 48	Clay Carson, C. Carson Clay Carson (carson002cla) C. Carson (carson001c--) Background: Pretty straightforward. Carson was optioned by Vernon (PCL) to Shreveport (TL) in May 1924 as part of a larger trade and reported back to Vernon in 1925, which then immediately optioned him to Lincoln (WL, carson003---). Attached Images

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Ravi Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Paris, France Posts: 48	Bert Adams, Jack Adams John Bertram Adams (adamsbe01, adams-003joh) Bert Adams Minor Leagues Statistics & History \| Baseball-Reference.com Jack Adams (adams-001jac) Jack Adams Minor Leagues Statistics & History \| Baseball-Reference.com Background: Veteran major league catcher (Cleveland Naps, Phillies), "Bert" Adams was actually known as Jack Adams throughout his entire career. This is shown in the 1910 clipping below (Cleveland Plain Dealer; Aug 14, 1910; pg. 14), as well as many other articles easily found through google news (https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,4907745&hl=en). Not sure why BBref went with "Bert" Adams. In fact, I couldn't find one contemporary source that referred to him as Bert. In any case, the person who created the record for Jack Adams (adams-001jac) clearly didn't know this. Attached Images

04-20-2016, 07:52 AM	#315
Lukok Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 1	In a historical game I drafted Wily Mo Pena in 1998, however his real life stats show he's never been in MLB, and spent the career in minors. Is that because his historical id is empty? It should be penawi01 I guess. I'm guessing there's no way to fix that in the middle of a save?

04-20-2016, 08:58 AM	#316
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,681 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Not a bug, but a question about historical minors. I started a thread in the main forum about too many home runs being hit in the 1920 Texas League (720 total). Straight out of the box setup. I made no changes. One thing I noticed is the box for "Adjust league totals modifiers for accuracy" is not checked for the Texas League. It is checked for the MLB. Does this box need to be checked for the Texas League as well? Thanks.

04-20-2016, 11:24 AM	#317
Hoiles All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 574	There's two Chan Ho Parks- the major league one with good rating's first name is Chan Ho last name Park, the minor league one with bad ratings's first name is Chan, last name Ho Park. Maybe there's other duplicate Asian three-name players?