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Spritze · 05-14-2016, 02:11 AM

Yay!!! I'm happy the fixes made it in. Are there any more needed?

Spritze · 05-15-2016, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Spritze: I've found by importing these players (Cesar Cabral and Oliver Drake so far) that the reason they aren't showing up in my game is because they have no neutralized stats at all for any season. This is not good for those of us that play with neutralized stats. Could you possibly take a look at this? Thanks. This now includes R A Dickey, who has been in the big leagues since 2001.

EDIT: I can dig up all 174 of them if need be. Thanks.

There are two Cesar Cabrals (1 played in the majors) and they both have Pitching and fielding entries but no batting since they never did that. Oliver Drake has the same challenge as well. R.A. (Robert) Dickey has all 3.

MightyVotto · 05-16-2016, 05:45 PM

Seeing a few minor league career stat lines showing up as MLB stat lines because similar franchises became major league ones later. I started a 1970 season. Tony Perez played for the San Diego Padres in 1963 and 1964 when the Padres were a AAA affiliate of the Reds in the PCL. These are showing up as MLB stat lines in Perez's career stats.

I'm seeing this on a few other players' career numbers. Howie Moss has all of his years with the minor league Baltimore team in the 40's showing up that he played for the St. Louis Browns of the MLB instead.

Thanks!

Spritze · 05-17-2016, 08:47 AM

This is not a database issue so I bugged it.

David Watts · 05-19-2016, 08:40 AM

Any idea when the fix will be made so all infielders aren't rated 50 for fielding?

Spritze · 05-19-2016, 08:53 AM

Should be in the next full update?

David Watts · 05-27-2016, 09:41 AM

Can we expect the next full update by September or will it be part of the road to release for OOTP18?

Spritze · 05-27-2016, 11:24 AM

AFAIK In a couple of weeks perchance?

David Watts · 05-27-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

AFAIK In a couple of weeks perchance?

Ugh! Back to 16 I go.

swampdragon · 05-27-2016, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Ugh! Back to 16 I go.

I have moved on to other games for the time being. I think by this time next year historical minors will be a wonderful innovation that work as they were designed to work. In the meantime, I have a half dozen outstanding games on my hard drive, and that's just the sports sims. I'll give the 1919 Texas League another shot after the fielding is fixed.

David Watts · 05-27-2016, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

I have moved on to other games for the time being. I think by this time next year historical minors will be a wonderful innovation that work as they were designed to work. In the meantime, I have a half dozen outstanding games on my hard drive, and that's just the sports sims. I'll give the 1919 Texas League another shot after the fielding is fixed.

I think I will be ready to roll too as soon as the fielding gets fixed.

David Watts · 05-28-2016, 02:51 PM

So just for kicks I decided to start a 1919 fast sim with real minors. Sim the 1919 season. Everything seems fine. I then sim 1920. 1921 roles around and the Pacific League is introduced. Problem is, only the Los Angeles Angels have any players. Sim ahead to the start of the 1922 season and the Angels are still the only Pacific Coast team with any players.

Spritze · 05-28-2016, 10:05 PM

If you have no draft the players go to their real teams. The PCL will get theirs.

With a draft the MLB teams grab ALL the players so the PCL is pretty empty except for the affiliated Angels.

As the PCL ages it will eventually fill even with a draft in operation.

David Watts · 05-28-2016, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

If you have no draft the players go to their real teams. The PCL will get theirs.

With a draft the MLB teams grab ALL the players so the PCL is pretty empty except for the affiliated Angels.

As the PCL ages it will eventually fill even with a draft in operation.

No draft was had. Pacific Coast league empty except for Angels.

Spritze · 05-28-2016, 11:18 PM

I just ran this myownself with no draft and all PCL teams are full. There are 221 players in the PCL.

David Watts · 05-29-2016, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

I just ran this myownself with no draft and all PCL teams are full. There are 221 players in the PCL.

Alright, just for kicks, I repeated the same process as before and setup another historical with real minors starting in 1919. No draft. Only team in the Pacific Coast league with players is the Los Angeles Angels. By 1923, San Francisco gets 14 players, Oakland 1 and Sacramento 1. Los Angeles has 28. The rest of the team are still player free.

Not sure why this would make a difference, but I'm not using recalc.

Another thing I've noticed is some of the Texas League teams, have as many as 47 players on their roster. Fort Worth 47. Shreveport 43. Houston 40.

swampdragon · 05-29-2016, 08:53 AM

When the minors start in 1919, the PCL players who played at the time are in the game as free agents. They get snapped up by the major leagues and the Texas League and don't automatically get transferred to the PCL when the time comes. (We don't do minor league transactions). The reason the Angels are full is that they're affiliated with the Cubs. Most of the players will not be the ones who were actually on that team.

So the reason you have no PCL players is that you haven't limited the rosters at the Texas League level. Cut them to realistic levels, and you'll have players in the PCL.

swampdragon · 05-29-2016, 09:18 AM

Because of the piecemeal start to the leagues, the 1919 Texas League will snap up the players who were really in the PCL at the time. When I start my replay, I'll disallow AI roster changes at both the MLB and Texas League level and do historical transactions manually. That's the only way to keep the players where they actually were. Then those players will be available for the PCL in 1921.

David Watts · 05-29-2016, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

When the minors start in 1919, the PCL players who played at the time are in the game as free agents. They get snapped up by the major leagues and the Texas League and don't automatically get transferred to the PCL when the time comes. (We don't do minor league transactions). The reason the Angels are full is that they're affiliated with the Cubs. Most of the players will not be the ones who were actually on that team.

So the reason you have no PCL players is that you haven't limited the rosters at the Texas League level. Cut them to realistic levels, and you'll have players in the PCL.

Thanks. I have one question though, what is a good limit to set for these minor league teams? Setting a limit won't result in really good major league players being released, signed released, signed released....signed released, signed released will it? I know limits do that sometimes?

David Watts · 05-29-2016, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

Because of the piecemeal start to the leagues, the 1919 Texas League will snap up the players who were really in the PCL at the time. When I start my replay, I'll disallow AI roster changes at both the MLB and Texas League level and do historical transactions manually. That's the only way to keep the players where they actually were. Then those players will be available for the PCL in 1921.

I'm not concerned as much with players playing for the correct teams, as I am with having a legitimate league history. When you go to a season and look at the league leaders it's looks ridiculous to see only Angel players.

I wonder if the problem is the reserve clause? Going to try the same setup, but use free agency and see what happens.

05-14-2016, 02:11 AM	#381
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Yay!!! I'm happy the fixes made it in. Are there any more needed? __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

05-17-2016, 08:47 AM	#384
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	This is not a database issue so I bugged it. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

05-19-2016, 08:53 AM	#386
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Should be in the next full update? __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

05-27-2016, 11:24 AM	#388
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	AFAIK In a couple of weeks perchance? __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

05-28-2016, 10:05 PM	#393
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	If you have no draft the players go to their real teams. The PCL will get theirs. With a draft the MLB teams grab ALL the players so the PCL is pretty empty except for the affiliated Angels. As the PCL ages it will eventually fill even with a draft in operation. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

05-16-2016, 05:45 PM	#383
MightyVotto Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 125	Seeing a few minor league career stat lines showing up as MLB stat lines because similar franchises became major league ones later. I started a 1970 season. Tony Perez played for the San Diego Padres in 1963 and 1964 when the Padres were a AAA affiliate of the Reds in the PCL. These are showing up as MLB stat lines in Perez's career stats. I'm seeing this on a few other players' career numbers. Howie Moss has all of his years with the minor league Baltimore team in the 40's showing up that he played for the St. Louis Browns of the MLB instead. Thanks!

05-19-2016, 08:40 AM	#385
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,669 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Any idea when the fix will be made so all infielders aren't rated 50 for fielding?

05-27-2016, 09:41 AM	#387
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,669 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Can we expect the next full update by September or will it be part of the road to release for OOTP18?

05-28-2016, 02:51 PM	#392
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,669 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	So just for kicks I decided to start a 1919 fast sim with real minors. Sim the 1919 season. Everything seems fine. I then sim 1920. 1921 roles around and the Pacific League is introduced. Problem is, only the Los Angeles Angels have any players. Sim ahead to the start of the 1922 season and the Angels are still the only Pacific Coast team with any players.

05-28-2016, 11:18 PM	#395
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	I just ran this myownself with no draft and all PCL teams are full. There are 221 players in the PCL. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it! Last edited by Spritze; 05-28-2016 at 11:19 PM.

05-29-2016, 08:53 AM	#397
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	When the minors start in 1919, the PCL players who played at the time are in the game as free agents. They get snapped up by the major leagues and the Texas League and don't automatically get transferred to the PCL when the time comes. (We don't do minor league transactions). The reason the Angels are full is that they're affiliated with the Cubs. Most of the players will not be the ones who were actually on that team. So the reason you have no PCL players is that you haven't limited the rosters at the Texas League level. Cut them to realistic levels, and you'll have players in the PCL. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

05-29-2016, 09:18 AM	#398
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	Because of the piecemeal start to the leagues, the 1919 Texas League will snap up the players who were really in the PCL at the time. When I start my replay, I'll disallow AI roster changes at both the MLB and Texas League level and do historical transactions manually. That's the only way to keep the players where they actually were. Then those players will be available for the PCL in 1921. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis