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[Spritze]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

The PCL isn't playable in 1919, but the players are in the game.

ONLY if they were in the major leagues or the Texas League prior to 1921. When I test this myself I always get players in the PCL, it never is devoid of players. There is in every test I have run (like 20 so far) way more than no one (0) in the PCL.

[swampdragon]

Originally Posted by Spritze

ONLY if they were in the major leagues or the Texas League prior to 1921.

I don't think that's right, but I'll look again this weekend.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Spritze

ONLY if they were in the major leagues or the Texas League prior to 1921. When I test this myself I always get players in the PCL, it never is devoid of players. There is in every test I have run (like 20 so far) way more than no one (0) in the PCL.

And I've done this probably 10 to 15 times myself. I get players on the Angels and every other team is empty. By 1923 I start to see roster populate.

I would love it if there was some magical selection I could make that changed this, but I'm yet to discover it.

It's beyond frustrating to try something over and over and over and not have it work. It also appears that only a few people are interested in this aspect of the game, so no one else can say they are experiencing the same issue I am. So it's Spritze, not having the issue. Me having it.

I think the fact that the Angels, a Cubs affiliate and the only team in the PCL with a parent club, gets filled with players is very telling. I should have checked, but I wonder if the Angels players are the players that actually played for the 1921 Angels.

Like I said, frustrating. Mainly due to us not being able to match up our results.

[David Watts]

Just curious, if I start in 1918, but select the option for maintain real minors, will the Texas league appear in 1919?

[swampdragon]

I think so. See if you import any minor leaguers. I'd be curious to know.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

I think so. See if you import any minor leaguers. I'd be curious to know.

That is what I plan to try next then. What I want to see is when the Texas League forms in 1919, will all the teams have players or only the affiliated teams.

[swampdragon]

The player I want you to look for is Clarence Kraft. He was never in the majors, but he was a career Texas Leaguer and a good player. Just curious.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

The player I want you to look for is Clarence Kraft. He was never in the majors, but he was a career Texas Leaguer and a good player. Just curious.

Will do.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

The player I want you to look for is Clarence Kraft. He was never in the majors, but he was a career Texas Leaguer and a good player. Just curious.

His meander with the 1914 Boston Braves could cause an issue. He also was not a career Texas Leaguer by any stretch of the imagination.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

The player I want you to look for is Clarence Kraft. He was never in the majors, but he was a career Texas Leaguer and a good player. Just curious.

Spritze is correct. Started the 1918 test league. Clarence Kraft retired in 1914 as a Boston Brave.

[David Watts]

Okay here goes. Created a 1918 historical league. Turned off the draft. As soon as the league formed, I selected the option to maintain historical minors. Simmed the 1918 season.

Once he season was over, the Texas League formed. At the start of the 1919 season this is the roster makeup of the Texas League teams

Beaumont 1
Dallas 0
Ft Worth 18
Galveston 1
Houston 20
San Antonio 25
Shreveport 0
Waco 27

This is the number of players the team had at the start of 1920
Beaumont 10
Dallas 1
Ft Worth 35
Galveston 4
Houston 30
San Antonio 23
Shreveport 2
Wichita Falls 15

At the start of 1921, Dallas still had 1, Galveston still had 4 and Shreveport 3

1921 Pacific Coast League
Only the Angels had players. Every other team empty.

This is after loading the patch.



Good news is every infielder in the bigs isn't a 50

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

The player I want you to look for is Clarence Kraft. He was never in the majors, but he was a career Texas Leaguer and a good player. Just curious.

Spoke too soon. Started a 1921 Historical with minors and Clarence Kraft is a member of the Fort Worth Panthers.

[Spritze]

If you start a game from 1919-1924 Clarence is in the Detroit organization and will go where they put him.

If you start prior to 1919 he is retired and never plays in the Texas League.

Start date is very important in the historical minors.

[Spritze]

What is the exact date you are checking your roster sizes on?

[swampdragon]

Originally Posted by Spritze

ONLY if they were in the major leagues or the Texas League prior to 1921. When I test this myself I always get players in the PCL, it never is devoid of players. There is in every test I have run (like 20 so far) way more than no one (0) in the PCL.

I looked at my postponed 1919 league, and you are right. It's amazing how many of those 1921 PCL players had a year or two in the majors.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Spritze

What is the exact date you are checking your roster sizes on?

Preseason, opening day and at the end of the season.

[Spritze]

So now you have hopefully figured out for yourselves that you have two things to do when you start a game.

1) Unretire an assortment of players so the premature retirements like Clarence Kraft in 1914 do not adversely affect your game.

I usually just unretire everyone under 29, sometimes 25, sometimes 40 just depends on my mood and how many players I wish to add. I do it on the first day of the preseason. It is a 2 click process once you make a custom age filter for the retired players screen. The game will remember your choice. Don't be surprised to find 20 year olds there.

2) Run a free agent draft of how ever many rounds you wish. This allows the minor league teams to sign the players the major leagues do not want. Many of them will be the minor league players with major league experience. I usually run one or two of these drafts. One when spring training starts and another a few weeks after opening day.

You only need to do this for your inaugural year probably although since for some reason you don't get players added to your teams as often as I do you might need to run either or both of these processes more often.

These processes are necessary because with only zero, one or two minor leagues there are just not many slots for players to go to. One could also choose to release many players from the reserve MLB rosters instead of or in addition to the above.

[MightyVotto]

Yay! The early 20th Century once again has MLB infielders with defensive variance! No longer does Willie Kamm get confused with Rudy York.

Thanks for fixing this!

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Spritze

So now you have hopefully figured out for yourselves that you have two things to do when you start a game.

1) Unretire an assortment of players so the premature retirements like Clarence Kraft in 1914 do not adversely affect your game.

I usually just unretire everyone under 29, sometimes 25, sometimes 40 just depends on my mood and how many players I wish to add. I do it on the first day of the preseason. It is a 2 click process once you make a custom age filter for the retired players screen. The game will remember your choice. Don't be surprised to find 20 year olds there.

2) Run a free agent draft of how ever many rounds you wish. This allows the minor league teams to sign the players the major leagues do not want. Many of them will be the minor league players with major league experience. I usually run one or two of these drafts. One when spring training starts and another a few weeks after opening day.

You only need to do this for your inaugural year probably although since for some reason you don't get players added to your teams as often as I do you might need to run either or both of these processes more often.

These processes are necessary because with only zero, one or two minor leagues there are just not many slots for players to go to. One could also choose to release many players from the reserve MLB rosters instead of or in addition to the above.

Let me ask you this. I've decided to simply start in 1921 and forget about 1919 and 1920. Doing this has my Texas League and PCL stocked. When does the next league form? Hoping by then the league has enough players that the new league isn't empty. Or, would I be better off just starting in 1946 when I know there are tons of players?

[Spritze]

Play the game however you wish. Start whenever you want. If you run low on players you can add more using the process outlined.