Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack

[Rainmaker]

Originally Posted by rlumpkin1@tampabay.rr.com

Thank you Rainmaker. in the media guides are their photo's of these players 1971 Frank Duffy, Stan Swanson, Al Crawford, Vern Geishert, John Noriega, Greg Garrett, Mickey Pless-1972-Kurt Bevacqua, Mike Ruddell, Gene Locklear, John Jackson-1973- Richie Scheinblum, Joaquin Andujar, Tom Spencer-1974-Pat Osburn-1975-Dave Overstreet, Larry Payne-1976- Lorin Grow, Mac Scarce

You have bad information. Every Reds media guide I have from 1977 or earlier has zero player photos. Are you thinking about the yearbooks?

[rlumpkin1@tampabay.rr.com]

Helllo Rainmaker. On the media guides, talking about the head shots by the player info.

[Rainmaker]

Originally Posted by rlumpkin1@tampabay.rr.com

Helllo Rainmaker. On the media guides, talking about the head shots by the player info.

And there are no photos in the older media guides.

[baseball-birthdays.com]

This is sampled from a slide dated March 1985... the Cubs had about a dozen righthanders then that kinda resemble this guy. Does anyone recognize him?

[cheech411]

a guess derek botelho

[cheech411]

[Ctrane]

Would anybody have a Bill Hunnefield pic in a Giants uni?

[Ctrane]

I couldn't find a decent color image of Sam Jones as I Giant so I made one.
Sam Jones - 1951

[cheech411]

sam jones as a cub?? anything

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by cheech411

sam jones as a cub?? anything

There are many 1955 Cubs options for Jones. Five are shown below.

[baseball-birthdays.com]

Bert Bradley made six relief appearances as a September call-up for the 1983 A's... this image is sampled from a slide made during spring training in 1984. The current facepack image shows a Cubs player who I'm pretty sure isn't Bradley.

[baseball-birthdays.com]

Art Reinholz, 1928 Cleveland Indians... this image is sampled from a recently purchased wirephoto and should be an upgrade on the current facepack pic.

[hobbs11]

Most times, the releases out on the T.V. folders are like receiving hidden gems. Other times, they perplex and confuse common folk like me.

I had been waiting for the actual image of Hector Cruz that was part of his 1976 4-panel card (pictured below) to show up. Lo and behold it does, but it is too small for my needs.

I have to ask, in all my cross searching did I perhaps hopefully miss a larger version of this some way, some how? Thanks in advance!

[Merkle923]

Tough Bravo reliever.

To answer the Cruz question: what you see is what they've got. One of the most startling revelations of looking through the Topps photo files was that nearly everything (except action photos) before the '90s was shot "camera-edit." In other words, this image of Mike Davey below would have been used in only one of two ways. It would have been used, full-size, as the image on a card. No blowing up to make it a headshot, no reduction to make it fit a smaller space. Or, it would be cut to fit on a rookie or leader card.

You'll note that the Cruz negative that just popped up on the vault storage site as KA-674 fits, exactly, the space between the card edge and the pinkish border framing it, next to the pinkish border framing Jamie Quirk. The actual negative probably measures, at best, 1-1/4" wide by 1-3/8" high, which is why it reproduces so small. Your only hope of getting anything better is to buy the negative when it comes up on eBay and scan it or have it scanned for you, professionally, at very high resolution.

At least three of the original shots in that four-player "'76 ROOKIE OUTFIELDERS" card were trimmed in this way. The Cruz shot is probably nearly full-figure, mid-swing, bat pointing in the general direction of the camera. That's my guess for Turner, too (although that could be a bunt pose). Quirk is clearly an image, at least showing the player down to the belt, with a bat on his shoulder. The only one that might have been altered by reducing it is the Wallis portrait, but even this could be a full-body pose holding a glove or something.

Thus what you saw when you spent an hour thumbing through these negatives would be thousands and thousands of negatives which came out of the development broth ready to go. The photographers were expected to produce images that needed no editing, and that provided the opportunity to physically cut the negative to a smaller size to fit a rookie card. As a production method it was not nearly as sophisticated as, say, the process by which 1887 Goodwin Old Judge cigarette cards were made.

Today's Topps upload update (KA): 671 Sparky Anderson; 672 Lou Piniella; 673 Frank Reberger; 674 Hector Cruz; 675 Terry Crowley; 676 Mike Cubbage; 677 Victor Cruz; 678 Jerry Crider; 679 Willie Crawford; 680 Jim Crawford; 681 Del Crandall; 682 Jerry Cram; 683-684 Merv Rettenmund (second one depicts him with Rochester, Int'l); 685 Rick Reuschel; 686 Al Cowens; 687 Mike Remlinger; 688 Andy Replogle; 689 Alan Trammell; 690 Ron Darling; 691-692 Bob Decker (Washington system); 693-696 Brock Davis; 697-700 Storm Davis; 701-702 Mike Davey; 703-704 Boots Day; 705-706 Butch Davis; 707-710 Willie Davis; 711-712 Keith Moreland; 713-714 Dwight Evans; 715-716 Tommy Dean; 717-718 Cot Deal; 719-720 Al Dawson; 721-722 Mike Davison; 723-726 Bob Davis; 727-728 Dick Davis; 729-730 Ron Guidry.

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by baseball-birthdays.com

Bert Bradley made six relief appearances as a September call-up for the 1983 A's... this image is sampled from a slide made during spring training in 1984. The current facepack image shows a Cubs player who I'm pretty sure isn't Bradley.

Tanks for sharing the Bradley/A's photo. It is an improvement over the Facepack image but that photo is not of a Cubs player, nor is it misidentified. It shows Bradley with the 1985 Columbus Clippers.

[FatJack]

Originally Posted by hobbs11

Most times, the releases out on the T.V. folders are like receiving hidden gems. Other times, they perplex and confuse common folk like me.

I had been waiting for the actual image of Hector Cruz that was part of his 1976 4-panel card (pictured below) to show up. Lo and behold it does, but it is too small for my needs.

I have to ask, in all my cross searching did I perhaps hopefully miss a larger version of this some way, some how? Thanks in advance!

In the same way you see the negatives/transparencies that have been airbrushed were airbrushed ON the negative/transparency, those photos that are used on the multi-player rookie cards were cut to that size with the rest most-likely discarded. Or, at least, pretty much every one I've ever seen from them has been.

[Merkle923]

Not seen often in his last stop in Milwaukee:

[Merkle923]

A little better:

[baseball-birthdays.com]

Originally Posted by tnfoto

... but that photo is not of a Cubs player, nor is it misidentified. It shows Bradley with the 1985 Columbus Clippers.

the hair dye threw me off, I guess

[hobbs11]

Originally Posted by Merkle923

Tough Bravo reliever.

To answer the Cruz question: what you see is what they've got. One of the most startling revelations of looking through the Topps photo files was that nearly everything (except action photos) before the '90s was shot "camera-edit." In other words, this image of Mike Davey below would have been used in only one of two ways. It would have been used, full-size, as the image on a card. No blowing up to make it a headshot, no reduction to make it fit a smaller space. Or, it would be cut to fit on a rookie or leader card.

As always, your detailed insight is greatly appreciated Merkle!