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Spritze · 06-22-2016, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Another thing I've yet to fully comprehend is, if we have it set to no draft and have players appear on their correct teams, why am I not seeing any players appear on the PCL teams. Shouldn't at least the new PCL debut players be placed on the correct teams?

In my tests new players do seem to go to their IRL teams. Joe DiMaggio goes to the San Francisco Seals but is immediately purchased by a MLB team and so never appears there.

Spritze · 06-22-2016, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

If the stats don't exist, say so.

BBref has fielding stats for the vast majority of player seasons but they only track the position a player appeared at most. So if a player was in 150 games and 100 at 1B are known the program looks at other seasons to see if he had another position he appeared at most. If that was 3B then he will get 50 games at 3B with stats based on his other appearances there.

David Watts · 06-22-2016, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

In my tests new players do seem to go to their IRL teams. Joe DiMaggio goes to the San Francisco Seals but is immediately purchased by a MLB team and so never appears there.

But, why isn't that happening in 1921, 22 etc.

Spritze · 06-22-2016, 03:19 PM

Something like that is happening for every player I have tracked. Either they are already retired or are somewhere else. I have yet to find any missing players.

David Watts · 06-22-2016, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

Something like that is happening for every player I have tracked. Either they are already retired or are somewhere else. I have yet to find any missing players.

I'm not saying anyone is missing. I'm saying my PCL teams are not fielding any players. Every team is empty except for the Angels. So, where are the players that made their debuts with these teams going? Are they going to the PCL teams only to have each and everyone of them is signed by Texas League and MLB team prior to preseason. If that's the case, it's a problem as well.

Personally, I don't want to un retire folks. If that's the case, I will simply continue playing straight historical. As I said earlier, I don't understand why it's impossible to erase league history and start from scratch when using real minors.

All I know is that the Historical Setup Wizard isn't rocket science and as far as I know we are both playing the same game. I've tried everything under the sun, but my PCL remains the Angels against Casper the Ghost and all his invisible friends.

David Watts · 06-22-2016, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

Something like that is happening for every player I have tracked. Either they are already retired or are somewhere else. I have yet to find any missing players.

If that happens in my game, they are all gone by preseason.

Spritze · 06-22-2016, 04:00 PM

Currently it works the way it was designed to. It does not appear to me that any additional changes will be made for OOTP17. There are no game breakers. It is just not easy nor fun to use unless you are a big fan of Mr. Unknown. I am not.

There are gobs and gobs fewer Unknowns than the design started with but still far too many in my estimable estimation. They should not be necessary except in extreme nocturnal situations. With or without fruit.

I am asking for ideas to suggest for making improvements for OOTP18.

swampdragon · 06-22-2016, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

Something like that is happening for every player I have tracked. Either they are already retired or are somewhere else. I have yet to find any missing players.

One thing that is going on is that when we first see the rosters at the beginning of the game, the computer AI has already been run on those rosters, players have been signed, promoted, retired, etc.(which is why we never see Joe Dimaggio) Is there any way to just keep that from happening until we've had a chance to sim at least one day?

Spritze · 06-22-2016, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

If that happens in my game, they are all gone by preseason.

That is why I gave you the roster of a complete PCL team. So you could check for yourownself.

Spritze · 06-22-2016, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

One thing that is going on is that when we first see the rosters at the beginning of the game, the computer AI has already been run on those rosters, players have been signed, promoted, retired, etc.(which is why we never see Joe Dimaggio) Is there any way to just keep that from happening until we've had a chance to sim at least one day?

Not that I am aware of. Perhaps that should be added to the improvements list.

David Watts · 06-22-2016, 04:06 PM

I've tried it with the 40 man roster on. All that did was allow Babe Ruth to be signed by the Phillies in the Rule 5 draft. I hate the 40 man roster rule, so I turn it off for most of my tests.

Spritze · 06-22-2016, 04:09 PM

I turn Rule 5 draft off after losing both the current MVP Babe Ruth and the current Cy Young winner Walter Johnson in the same year.

David Watts · 06-22-2016, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

That is why I gave you the roster of a complete PCL team. So you could check for yourownself.

My bad, I thought you were saying those guys were on your Seattle roster. If I get a chance I will run another test to see where those player may be. Might be this weekend though.

swampdragon · 06-22-2016, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

Not that I am aware of. Perhaps that should be added to the improvements list.

It would certainly be easy enough to do. Just give us a League Functions Screen during creation we can use to forbid AI roster changes. It seems a shame to scatter a roster to the four winds before we even get a chance to look at it.

Spritze · 06-22-2016, 05:25 PM

I did add this to the opening query as #7 or #8

David Watts · 06-22-2016, 07:45 PM

Well, time for me to eat some crow. When I got home today, I started another 1919 league with historical minors. This time instead of turning off the 40 man roster, I left it in enabled and turned off the rule 5 draft. I also disabled option years and the right to refuse minors.

I then simmed ahead to the 1921 preseason. You guessed it, my PCL had players. Not at all perfect as around 3 teams only had 2 or 3, but they did have players. Simmed till 1922 and things were even better. By 1923 every team was full. So, it was a me deal. It looks like the 40 man roster rule is required. Again, it's not perfect, but a lot more acceptable.

So, I apologize for all my gas. Like I say, it's not perfect, but I think it's playable. Now let's see if we can get the fielding to correctly rate the good fielders and bad fielders. Swampdragon deserves that. The man has talked me off the ledge more times than I can count;.

David Watts · 06-23-2016, 08:18 AM

Just to followup on my above post. After figuring out the error of my ways, I decided to take my current 1906 historical and sim it ahead to 1919, turning on maintain historical minors at the beginning of the 1918 season.

Well folks, it worked great. Texas League formed just like it should. All the teams are well stocked with players. Maybe a little overstocked in the case of the MLB teams,(example the Boston Braves have 82 players on their reserve roster) but when the PCL forms that should thin out some. I didn't check to see if the guys in the Texas League are the guys that were in the Texas League in 1919. I'm just happy to see full rosters.

At this point, I'm so full of crow, I have feathers coming out my ears.

I think next time I will opt for the humble pie instead.

Mister_G · 06-23-2016, 11:36 AM

I'm getting zombie players.

In a historical career game there are a few players I don't want included in my game. When I retire them, no problem (though I assume this will take up space overtime, making my game slower). When I delete them, however, the next season when all the new players come in these deleted players show up in the free agent pool, one year older, and with all stats from their real major league career.

Spritze · 06-23-2016, 12:57 PM

I believe players who are not currently in game either retired or active are automagically imported. Deletions are not supported.

Spritze · 06-23-2016, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Now let's see if we can get the fielding to correctly rate the good fielders and bad fielders.

I am not aware this is a problem.

On average an entire minor league pre-1940 will only have 7-10 fielders with primary position ratings over 60 so a league having 0 is not out of bounds. Ratings under 40 are not rare at all.

Fielding ratings increase the closer you get to 2015 as would be expected.

06-22-2016, 04:00 PM	#527
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Currently it works the way it was designed to. It does not appear to me that any additional changes will be made for OOTP17. There are no game breakers. It is just not easy nor fun to use unless you are a big fan of Mr. Unknown. I am not. There are gobs and gobs fewer Unknowns than the design started with but still far too many in my estimable estimation. They should not be necessary except in extreme nocturnal situations. With or without fruit. I am asking for ideas to suggest for making improvements for OOTP18. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-22-2016, 04:09 PM	#532
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	I turn Rule 5 draft off after losing both the current MVP Babe Ruth and the current Cy Young winner Walter Johnson in the same year. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-22-2016, 05:25 PM	#535
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	I did add this to the opening query as #7 or #8 __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-23-2016, 08:18 AM	#537
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,656 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Just to followup on my above post. After figuring out the error of my ways, I decided to take my current 1906 historical and sim it ahead to 1919, turning on maintain historical minors at the beginning of the 1918 season. Well folks, it worked great. Texas League formed just like it should. All the teams are well stocked with players. Maybe a little overstocked in the case of the MLB teams,(example the Boston Braves have 82 players on their reserve roster) but when the PCL forms that should thin out some. I didn't check to see if the guys in the Texas League are the guys that were in the Texas League in 1919. I'm just happy to see full rosters. At this point, I'm so full of crow, I have feathers coming out my ears. I think next time I will opt for the humble pie instead. Last edited by David Watts; 06-23-2016 at 11:29 AM.

06-23-2016, 11:36 AM	#538
Mister_G All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 576	I'm getting zombie players. In a historical career game there are a few players I don't want included in my game. When I retire them, no problem (though I assume this will take up space overtime, making my game slower). When I delete them, however, the next season when all the new players come in these deleted players show up in the free agent pool, one year older, and with all stats from their real major league career. __________________ A man doesn't make mistakes, mistakes make the man @MisterG90

06-22-2016, 04:06 PM	#531
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,656 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I've tried it with the 40 man roster on. All that did was allow Babe Ruth to be signed by the Phillies in the Rule 5 draft. I hate the 40 man roster rule, so I turn it off for most of my tests.

06-22-2016, 07:45 PM	#536
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,656 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Well, time for me to eat some crow. When I got home today, I started another 1919 league with historical minors. This time instead of turning off the 40 man roster, I left it in enabled and turned off the rule 5 draft. I also disabled option years and the right to refuse minors. I then simmed ahead to the 1921 preseason. You guessed it, my PCL had players. Not at all perfect as around 3 teams only had 2 or 3, but they did have players. Simmed till 1922 and things were even better. By 1923 every team was full. So, it was a me deal. It looks like the 40 man roster rule is required. Again, it's not perfect, but a lot more acceptable. So, I apologize for all my gas. Like I say, it's not perfect, but I think it's playable. Now let's see if we can get the fielding to correctly rate the good fielders and bad fielders. Swampdragon deserves that. The man has talked me off the ledge more times than I can count;.

06-23-2016, 12:57 PM	#539
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	I believe players who are not currently in game either retired or active are automagically imported. Deletions are not supported. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!