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David Watts · 06-24-2016, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

I am not aware this is a problem.

On average an entire minor league pre-1940 will only have 7-10 fielders with primary position ratings over 60 so a league having 0 is not out of bounds. Ratings under 40 are not rare at all.

Fielding ratings increase the closer you get to 2015 as would be expected.

Spritze, I'm going to bow out of this one, as I'm probably the last person to talk to when it comes to ratings. I don't manage or gm and simply watch my leagues progress. Until this version, I've never even paid much attention to ratings, but when I started seeing entire MLB infields rated exactly the same for every team, I knew something wasn't right. Luckily Markus fixed that problem with the last patch. When playing MLB historical there is a healthy spread in terms of fielding ratings(20-80). Teams that field a strong defensive squad across the board, most definitely have a leg up on the competition. Combine great fielding with strong pitching and you have the makings of a powerhouse. But, like I said, guys like Swampdragon can speak on this matter better than I can.

David Watts · 06-24-2016, 06:44 PM

1971 Dixie Association game. Ashville team pinch hits beyond the number or roster players they have available with Jim Unknown.

Spritze · 06-24-2016, 07:47 PM

Yup, that is an Unknown feature. Works with Unknown pitchers too.

Kind of like MLB in the 1870's. When a team ran out of players due to injuries they would simply grab a likely culprit out of the stands. BTW the rule back then was that a player could re-enter a game with the other teams permission.

Habsfan18 · 06-25-2016, 05:09 PM

So, is this that Babe Ruth issue you guys were referring to?

I have scouting off, so it's set to 100% accurate. This is how he's listed at the time of the draft using historical minors.

It looks like his batting potential ratings are much better. I guess it's just odd seeing Ruth come into the draft as a 2-star potential player.

edit: He went in the 3rd round to Washington. 48th overall.

Spritze · 06-25-2016, 05:51 PM

Your screenshot is of the Pitcher Ruth, make him a RF and he goes #1.

I believe OOTP rates position players and pitchers independently.

Spritze · 06-25-2016, 11:46 PM

I added the three AAA league players only to 1919-1932 as if their league was there. They all became free agents and got signed.

Adding more players meant every Texas League and PCL team have full rosters through 1932 when I stopped testing.

Additionally the Texas league in 1919 and later now has players with fielding ratings in the 60's and 70's. This is also because there are more good fielding players available.

Hopefully this could make a patch if approved.

Habsfan18 · 06-26-2016, 02:35 PM

Something odd I noticed in a test league.

Ralph Enszlin is currently in the Yankees minor league system. He was drafted in the 25th round back in 1935. Why is it that he has random stats in 1932 - 3 years before he was drafted? Apparently he played 334 games that year? Any ideas what could have caused that? Not too familiar with that part of the game. Is it normal?

Habsfan18 · 06-26-2016, 02:38 PM

Noticed it's happening to plenty of players. Is this working as intended?

Spritze · 06-26-2016, 02:53 PM

At a guess I suspect your player ID's are being reused.

There is a game setting for that on the Players and Facegen screen called "Delete those who never made the MLB" it also means re-use their ID's although it does not state that at all.

Habsfan18 · 06-26-2016, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

At a guess I suspect your player ID's are being reused.

There is a game setting for that on the Players and Facegen screen called "Delete those who never made the MLB" it also means re-use their ID's although it does not state that at all.

Is it normal that it's happening to almost every player I click on though? And always seems to be either 1932 or 1930.

Spritze · 06-26-2016, 04:52 PM

Is that setting on or off? The rest does not matter. You may be over thinking it.

Habsfan18 · 06-26-2016, 06:50 PM

I'll try the way you're saying, Spritze.

Noticed this as well during a stop in the sim to check on things. Something doesn't seem right. Check out those records for AA teams. And when I click on some of the AA leagues, something seems off.. I'm now in 1954.

I didn't use any weird settings. Simply simmed from 1920 with historical minors on.

Spritze · 06-26-2016, 08:21 PM

The affiliated Eastern League lasted only one year. 1932

BTW my signature line is about overthinking it : It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

Habsfan18 · 06-26-2016, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

The affiliated Eastern League lasted only one year. 1932

Good to know, thanks.

But I'm assuming it's not normal for the 1954 Binghampton Triplets to be listed with a record of 1180-1060 and the other teams in their division playing hundreds of games? lol Just seems odd.

Spritze · 06-26-2016, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Habsfan18

But I'm assuming it's not normal for the 1954 Binghampton Triplets to be listed with a record of 1180-1060 and the other teams in their division playing hundreds of games? lol Just seems odd.

That is a bug and was reported many moons ago. Happens with other leagues/teams as well.

Habsfan18 · 06-26-2016, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

That is a bug and was reported many moons ago. Happens with other leagues/teams as well.

Thanks Spritze. That's a pretty big bug, isn't it? So hopefully it can eventually be fixed. I haven't looked too far into it, but if minor leaguers are playing hundreds of games per season, that can't be good lol

Or are the records just being combined or something like that?

Spritze · 06-26-2016, 09:03 PM

Just pulling combined. Markus has not found what triggers it as yet. I believe it reverts to normality fairly quickly.

David Watts · 06-29-2016, 07:37 PM

Has anyone brought up Jim St. Vrain yet. In reality he pitched one season (1902) in the bigs at the age of 31. According to OOTP he was 19 when he pitched that season in 1902.

In the replay I'm doing (started in 1906) he was 22 when the league began. He's now 38 years old with a 232-190 record. That's good for 3rd most wins behind Walter Johnson 255 and Rube Marquard 241. Pretty good for a guy that went 4-6 for his career. So this is a bug that turned out pretty neat.

Spritze · 06-29-2016, 08:32 PM

fixed. BBref and the OOTP Minor league database had his correct birthdate. Lahman did not so I just changed that one.

What I find interesting is that the info in the MLB master file takes precedence over the minor league one. I did not know that.

David Watts · 06-30-2016, 02:17 PM

Not a bug, but a question and figured this would be as good a place to ask it as any other. Sounds like y'all will add the Negro League either later this year or when 18 comes out. When this occurs, will we be able to right histories wrong and simply disband the Negro League altogether and let the players be drafted into major league baseball? Just curious.

06-24-2016, 07:47 PM	#543
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Yup, that is an Unknown feature. Works with Unknown pitchers too. Kind of like MLB in the 1870's. When a team ran out of players due to injuries they would simply grab a likely culprit out of the stands. BTW the rule back then was that a player could re-enter a game with the other teams permission. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-25-2016, 05:09 PM	#544
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,244	So, is this that Babe Ruth issue you guys were referring to? I have scouting off, so it's set to 100% accurate. This is how he's listed at the time of the draft using historical minors. It looks like his batting potential ratings are much better. I guess it's just odd seeing Ruth come into the draft as a 2-star potential player. edit: He went in the 3rd round to Washington. 48th overall. Attached Images Last edited by Habsfan18; 06-25-2016 at 05:12 PM.

06-25-2016, 05:51 PM	#545
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Your screenshot is of the Pitcher Ruth, make him a RF and he goes #1. I believe OOTP rates position players and pitchers independently. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-25-2016, 11:46 PM	#546
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	I added the three AAA league players only to 1919-1932 as if their league was there. They all became free agents and got signed. Adding more players meant every Texas League and PCL team have full rosters through 1932 when I stopped testing. Additionally the Texas league in 1919 and later now has players with fielding ratings in the 60's and 70's. This is also because there are more good fielding players available. Hopefully this could make a patch if approved. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-26-2016, 02:35 PM	#547
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,244	Something odd I noticed in a test league. Ralph Enszlin is currently in the Yankees minor league system. He was drafted in the 25th round back in 1935. Why is it that he has random stats in 1932 - 3 years before he was drafted? Apparently he played 334 games that year? Any ideas what could have caused that? Not too familiar with that part of the game. Is it normal? Attached Images Last edited by Habsfan18; 06-26-2016 at 02:37 PM.

06-24-2016, 06:44 PM	#542
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,549 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	1971 Dixie Association game. Ashville team pinch hits beyond the number or roster players they have available with Jim Unknown.

06-26-2016, 02:38 PM	#548
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,244	Noticed it's happening to plenty of players. Is this working as intended? Attached Images

06-26-2016, 02:53 PM	#549
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	At a guess I suspect your player ID's are being reused. There is a game setting for that on the Players and Facegen screen called "Delete those who never made the MLB" it also means re-use their ID's although it does not state that at all. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-26-2016, 04:52 PM	#551
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Is that setting on or off? The rest does not matter. You may be over thinking it. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-26-2016, 06:50 PM	#552
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,244	I'll try the way you're saying, Spritze. Noticed this as well during a stop in the sim to check on things. Something doesn't seem right. Check out those records for AA teams. And when I click on some of the AA leagues, something seems off.. I'm now in 1954. I didn't use any weird settings. Simply simmed from 1920 with historical minors on. Attached Images

06-26-2016, 08:21 PM	#553
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	The affiliated Eastern League lasted only one year. 1932 BTW my signature line is about overthinking it : It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it! __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it! Last edited by Spritze; 06-26-2016 at 08:28 PM.

06-26-2016, 09:03 PM	#557
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Just pulling combined. Markus has not found what triggers it as yet. I believe it reverts to normality fairly quickly. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-29-2016, 07:37 PM	#558
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,549 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Has anyone brought up Jim St. Vrain yet. In reality he pitched one season (1902) in the bigs at the age of 31. According to OOTP he was 19 when he pitched that season in 1902. In the replay I'm doing (started in 1906) he was 22 when the league began. He's now 38 years old with a 232-190 record. That's good for 3rd most wins behind Walter Johnson 255 and Rube Marquard 241. Pretty good for a guy that went 4-6 for his career. So this is a bug that turned out pretty neat.

06-29-2016, 08:32 PM	#559
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	fixed. BBref and the OOTP Minor league database had his correct birthdate. Lahman did not so I just changed that one. What I find interesting is that the info in the MLB master file takes precedence over the minor league one. I did not know that. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

06-30-2016, 02:17 PM	#560
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,549 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Not a bug, but a question and figured this would be as good a place to ask it as any other. Sounds like y'all will add the Negro League either later this year or when 18 comes out. When this occurs, will we be able to right histories wrong and simply disband the Negro League altogether and let the players be drafted into major league baseball? Just curious.