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hobbs11 · 06-30-2016, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainmaker

The discovery this week of an unpublished Topps Vault folder has had several veteran collectors searching their hard drives for missing numbers. One of the true stars here, keonleafs, not only found 22 missing images from the TT file, he found another (Folder JJ) that has not been posted.

Another early generation file, as the images carry no watermark, but fit right in with the Vault. In fact, a couple of the images might be unique for the Vault (so far). The file has been passed along to Baseball-Birthdays to include in the OneDrive archive.

Checklist so far:

210 Dick Phillips; 211-212 Marty Perez; 213 Jerry Perkins (Mets minor leaguer); 214-215 Ron Perranoski; 216-219 Cap Peterson; 220-223 Fritz Peterson; 224 Rich Peterson; 225-228 Adolfo Phillips

259 Mike Andrews; 260 Chris Arnold; 261 Earl Averill; 262 Marv Breeding; 263 Joe Amalfitano; 264 Ken Brett; 265 Jim Brewer; 266 Marshall Bridges (Senators); 267 Johnny Briggs.

Thank you. So to clarify, the virtual folder of JJ is different then? I keep pulling up images of Allen & Ginter cards....

cheech411 · 06-30-2016, 05:12 PM

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on e bay

wunderman · 06-30-2016, 08:09 PM

How do I delete this?

Rainmaker · 06-30-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hobbs11

Thank you. So to clarify, the virtual folder of JJ is different then? I keep pulling up images of Allen & Ginter cards....

You made two things very apparent. The current JJ folder is not where these images came from, but they are true old-school Topps Vault images that have not been posted in existing files. Perhaps they should actually be part of another old-version thread. We will need to investigate further.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Rainmaker · 06-30-2016, 08:46 PM

See below

keonleafs · 06-30-2016, 11:29 PM

Our KA 931-32 player is at least a lefthanded hitter. This is Tom Dunbar, who played for the Texas Rangers (83-85). He played part of 1991 for the Pirates farm team. So these pics were probably taken at the Pirates<s spring camp 1991.

rlumpkin1@tampabay.rr.com · 07-01-2016, 08:22 AM

anyone with Bart Zeller in a Milwaukee Brewers uni?

Merkle923 · 07-01-2016, 03:09 PM

Not Joe Goddard level scarce, but a pretty tough Padre pitcher whose previous color images have been limited to a TCMA PCL card and his corner of a Topps rookie card.

Friday's Topps uploads (KA): 971-972 Steve Dunning; 973-974 Mike Dupree; 975-976 Taylor Duncan; 977-980 Bob Duliba; 981-982 Ron Dunn; 983-984 Jim Dunegan; 985-986 Gene Dusan (Cincinnati system); 987-990 Dave Duncan

Merkle923 · 07-01-2016, 03:19 PM

This is the minor league first baseman the Cubs made into a pitcher in 1970, seldom seen. The other image Topps posted is a batting pose:

cinemaodyssey · 07-01-2016, 05:04 PM

I thought this was a fairly good custom Expos photo for Almonte. A friend of mine did it not long ago.

keonleafs · 07-01-2016, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Merkle923

Friday's Topps uploads (KA):... 985-986 Rick Duncan (Cincinnati system); ....

I may be wrong, but I think that the Reds player on KA 985-986 looks more like Gene Dusan than Rick Duncan. Dusan, a 1967 A's draftee, never was in the Big Show. He was primarily a catcher and a Reds's farmhand in 1973-74. Here are the 2 KA pics of the Reds player, and 2 prior from Topps of Dusan with the A's , and finally a minor lg card of Rick Duncan.

rlumpkin1@tampabay.rr.com · 07-01-2016, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keonleafs

I may be wrong, but I think that the Reds player on KA 985-986 looks more like Gene Dusan than Rick Duncan. Dusan, a 1967 A's draftee, never was in the Big Show. He was primarily a catcher and a Reds's farmhand in 1973-74. Here are the 2 KA pics of the Reds player, and 2 prior from Topps of Dusan with the A's , and finally a minor lg card of Rick Duncan.

I believe this is Gene Dusan also he was a non roster for the Reds in 1974 and his # was 56, on the back you can see a N and a 6 and I don't think Duncan was ever in Reds camp.

Cusick · 07-02-2016, 08:00 AM

Thanks, keonleafs, for your raising the question about the Rick Duncan identification and coming up with Gene Dusan as the alternative. I had doubts about Duncan because the bottom of his ears are detached from his face, which is not the case of the player in the Topps Vault photo. Also, it seemed like the only logical point when Duncan would have been in the Reds' camp would have been in the spring of 1979. The only info I could pick up from newspaper research was that he was working out with the Indianapolis Indians that spring before reporting to the Nashville Sounds. But I hadn't figured out who else that Cincinnati Red might be.

This photo of Rick Duncan came from the Tennessean (Nashville) of May 9, 1979.

Buster Narum · 07-02-2016, 08:58 AM

Am I missing something or is the vault completely devoid of any pictures of him? It just seems odd given his era and the fact that he played as much as he did.

cheech411 · 07-02-2016, 09:07 AM

he has many topps cards

rlumpkin1@tampabay.rr.com · 07-02-2016, 12:42 PM

anyone with 1972 Milwaukee Brewers Spring Roster w/NRI's?

tnfoto · 07-02-2016, 01:08 PM

Facepack upgrade, pictured with the 1912 Decatur Commodores, as shown in the 10-Nov-1912 Cleveland Leader.

Merkle923 · 07-02-2016, 04:04 PM

Regarding Charley Smith, or any given player whose negatives Topps has or hasn't sold on eBay, this reminder: the files I got to do my research in contained at least 1,000,000 images, and the fact that Topps has sold countless images I looked for but could not find, suggests there was a second storage area which I did not see and that the actual number is likely closer to 2,000,000.

Topps started auctioning the images in 2007 (I believe). Let's say the average number of baseball images sold per week has been 100 (a generous guess). That means that nine and a half years into the process they are only now approaching their 50,000th negative sold.

That would be 2.5 percent of all the images they have. 1,950,000 to go. A supply sufficient to keep up this pace into the year 2,491. All of which means the odds against a particular image being sold are about 97.5%. It's speculative to try to suss out the odds against or for any one of the 20,000-25,000 different players and non-players they shot to appear - especially given that there's no motivation for Topps to distribute players in any kind of order. As we've seen, they tend to grab a bunch of files in an alphabetical cluster, take ALL they have of a given player, scan four of them one day, scan one or two card-used ones a few days later, and then maddeningly return to his file again and again until we are up to our necks in Taylor Duncan.

I can tell you that there is/was a Topps file of Smith. It contained a negative created from re-photographing a colorized team issued shot of Smith with the Dodgers at the L.A. Coliseum, at least one session shot by a Topps photographer at the Dodger camp at Vero Beach, at least one of Smith with the Phillies at Connie Mack Stadium, several shoots of him with the White Sox, several Mets shoots, a spring training and a regular season shoot of him with the 1966 Cardinals, a bunch of Yankee shoots, a session from spring training in Phoenix with the 1969 Giants (for whom he never played), and at least one shoot with the '69 Cubs at Shea Stadium.

While we're here a note about "folder JJ" or whatever it is. The web hosting site Topps now uses only became known semi-publicly in about 2011. That means there is about four years' worth of Topps images out there - the earliest ones in low-definition and with no watermarks - which were all posted on eBay via some means or site we don't know and cannot access. That they may have been preserved and now easily catalogued is great but these images should not be confused with "new" uploads.

Merkle923 · 07-02-2016, 10:21 PM

BTW was there one particular team you were looking for with Smith?

Rainmaker · 07-03-2016, 12:13 AM

A former Negro League player who had a (failed) tryout with the 1962 Mets, and currently a part-owner of the Texas Rangers, this frustrated ballplayer found another career better suited to his skills: singer and Grand Ole Opry member Charley Pride.

Pride, who was closely associated with the Rangers for years, wound up in a Milwaukee Brewers uniform and the subject of Doug McWilliams' camera -- and a pair of postcards issued in 1973. His biggest hit, 1971's "Kiss an Angel Good Mornin'" hung in at Number One for five weeks. He became a part-owner of the Rangers in 2010.

Ironically, his final No. 1 hit, in 1983, was "Night Games."

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06-30-2016, 05:12 PM	#28402
cheech411 Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,652 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	earle brucker 39 a's on e bay

06-30-2016, 08:09 PM	#28403
wunderman Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 31	Solly Drake How do I delete this? Last edited by wunderman; 07-01-2016 at 07:47 PM.

06-30-2016, 08:46 PM	#28405
Rainmaker Banned Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 432 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	ka 931-932 See below Last edited by Rainmaker; 07-01-2016 at 12:47 PM.

06-30-2016, 11:29 PM	#28406
keonleafs Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 447	Our KA 931-32 player is at least a lefthanded hitter. This is *Tom Dunbar, who played for the Texas Rangers (83-85). He played part of 1991 for the Pirates farm team. So these pics were probably taken at the Pirates<s spring camp 1991. Last edited by keonleafs; 10-22-2017 at 01:52 AM.*

07-01-2016, 03:09 PM	#28408
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,194	Mike Dupree 1976 Not Joe Goddard level scarce, but a pretty tough Padre pitcher whose previous color images have been limited to a TCMA PCL card and his corner of a Topps rookie card. Friday's Topps uploads (KA): 971-972 Steve Dunning; 973-974 Mike Dupree; 975-976 Taylor Duncan; 977-980 Bob Duliba; 981-982 Ron Dunn; 983-984 Jim Dunegan; 985-986 Gene Dusan (Cincinnati system); 987-990 Dave Duncan Attached Images Last edited by Merkle923; 07-02-2016 at 03:38 PM.

07-01-2016, 08:22 AM	#28407
rlumpkin1@tampabay.rr.com Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 2,486	anyone with Bart Zeller in a Milwaukee Brewers uni?

07-01-2016, 03:19 PM	#28409
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,194	Jim Dunegan 1970 This is the minor league first baseman the Cubs made into a pitcher in 1970, seldom seen. The other image Topps posted is a batting pose: Attached Images

07-01-2016, 05:04 PM	#28410
cinemaodyssey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,022	Hector Almonte 1999 I thought this was a fairly good custom Expos photo for Almonte. A friend of mine did it not long ago. Attached Images

07-02-2016, 08:00 AM	#28413
Cusick Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 4,319	Rick Duncan Thanks, keonleafs, for your raising the question about the Rick Duncan identification and coming up with Gene Dusan as the alternative. I had doubts about Duncan because the bottom of his ears are detached from his face, which is not the case of the player in the Topps Vault photo. Also, it seemed like the only logical point when Duncan would have been in the Reds' camp would have been in the spring of 1979. The only info I could pick up from newspaper research was that he was working out with the Indianapolis Indians that spring before reporting to the Nashville Sounds. But I hadn't figured out who else that Cincinnati Red might be. This photo of Rick Duncan came from the Tennessean (Nashville) of May 9, 1979. Attached Images

07-02-2016, 08:58 AM	#28414
Buster Narum Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 198	Charley (Charlie) Smith (1960) Am I missing something or is the vault completely devoid of any pictures of him? It just seems odd given his era and the fact that he played as much as he did.

07-02-2016, 09:07 AM	#28415
cheech411 Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,652 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	he has many topps cards

07-02-2016, 12:42 PM	#28416
rlumpkin1@tampabay.rr.com Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 2,486	anyone with 1972 Milwaukee Brewers Spring Roster w/NRI's?

07-02-2016, 01:08 PM	#28417
tnfoto Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Port Angeles, WA Posts: 12,734	George O'Brien 1915 Facepack upgrade, pictured with the 1912 Decatur Commodores, as shown in the 10-Nov-1912 Cleveland Leader. Attached Images __________________ TNFOTO: baseball careers ended "Through No Fault Of Their Own" Facepack updated 4/5/2022 Info & download links here. Missing player/manager/umpire list or Pegasus UIN list Download Facepack & more at tnfoto's Baseball Photos Homepage Photo threads: 2025 Debuts Majors Managers Coaches Umpires Minors Negro League Image Requests General Image Discussion

07-02-2016, 04:04 PM	#28418
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,194	Charley Smith and 1,950,000 other images Regarding Charley Smith, or any given player whose negatives Topps has or hasn't sold on eBay, this reminder: the files I got to do my research in contained at least 1,000,000 images, and the fact that Topps has sold countless images I looked for but could not find, suggests there was a second storage area which I did not see and that the actual number is likely closer to 2,000,000. Topps started auctioning the images in 2007 (I believe). Let's say the average number of baseball images sold per week has been 100 (a generous guess). That means that nine and a half years into the process they are only now approaching their 50,000th negative sold. That would be 2.5 percent of all the images they have. 1,950,000 to go. A supply sufficient to keep up this pace into the year 2,491. All of which means the odds against a particular image being sold are about 97.5%. It's speculative to try to suss out the odds against or for any one of the 20,000-25,000 different players and non-players they shot to appear - especially given that there's no motivation for Topps to distribute players in any kind of order. As we've seen, they tend to grab a bunch of files in an alphabetical cluster, take ALL they have of a given player, scan four of them one day, scan one or two card-used ones a few days later, and then maddeningly return to his file again and again until we are up to our necks in Taylor Duncan. I can tell you that there is/was a Topps file of Smith. It contained a negative created from re-photographing a colorized team issued shot of Smith with the Dodgers at the L.A. Coliseum, at least one session shot by a Topps photographer at the Dodger camp at Vero Beach, at least one of Smith with the Phillies at Connie Mack Stadium, several shoots of him with the White Sox, several Mets shoots, a spring training and a regular season shoot of him with the 1966 Cardinals, a bunch of Yankee shoots, a session from spring training in Phoenix with the 1969 Giants (for whom he never played), and at least one shoot with the '69 Cubs at Shea Stadium. While we're here a note about "folder JJ" or whatever it is. The web hosting site Topps now uses only became known semi-publicly in about 2011. That means there is about four years' worth of Topps images out there - the earliest ones in low-definition and with no watermarks - which were all posted on eBay via some means or site we don't know and cannot access. That they may have been preserved and now easily catalogued is great but these images should not be confused with "new" uploads.

07-02-2016, 10:21 PM	#28419
Merkle923 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,194	BTW was there one particular team you were looking for with Smith?

07-03-2016, 12:13 AM	#28420
Rainmaker Banned Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 432 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	Proud owner of 29 (number one) Hits A former Negro League player who had a (failed) tryout with the 1962 Mets, and currently a part-owner of the Texas Rangers, this frustrated ballplayer found another career better suited to his skills: singer and Grand Ole Opry member Charley Pride. Pride, who was closely associated with the Rangers for years, wound up in a Milwaukee Brewers uniform and the subject of Doug McWilliams' camera -- and a pair of postcards issued in 1973. His biggest hit, 1971's "Kiss an Angel Good Mornin'" hung in at Number One for five weeks. He became a part-owner of the Rangers in 2010. Ironically, his final No. 1 hit, in 1983, was "Night Games." (Images available on Trading Card Database) Last edited by Rainmaker; 07-03-2016 at 12:14 AM.