How much does OOTP educate you?

[Lolos]

Sorry for my English in advanced.

I am very interested in the basenall business aspect ad many others as well I am wondering how much does OOTP teach you how much can i make the use of this and learn?
This is a great sim either way but I am really focusing to be a baseball statistician, I'm learning programming (R) and not sure what else. Sorry if this sounds stupid but how realistic is ootp in general will it help me make solutions and my questions and stuff?
I played since ootp 15 but I never had taken it seriously so I am fairly a beginner to ootp learning curve.

[r0nster]

the best way to answer that is to watch closely to what the GMs do and owners. As you play OOTP you will begin to notice a pattern with what you do and what some of the GMs do in either rebuilding or attempting a Dynasty. Everyone approaches various issues differently. You would begin to appreciate their side of things. As the fans only appreciate whats on the field without giving thought to the process

[Lolos]

Originally Posted by r0nster

the best way to answer that is to watch closely to what the GMs do and owners. As you play OOTP you will begin to notice a pattern with what you do and what some of the GMs do in either rebuilding or attempting a Dynasty. Everyone approaches various issues differently. You would begin to appreciate their side of things. As the fans only appreciate whats on the field without giving thought to the process

So online league is the way to go?

[r0nster]

you can do online or solo either way you will learn plenty. in my case I tend to prefer solo as I micromanage my teams.

[sentry85]

one of the best ways to tell how realistic the game is, is to start simming from (pick a year) say 1920 to 1950. then pick players and compare their simmed stats to their real life stats which is an option on their player screen. then compare season by season stats and also their career stats. i have Babe Ruth hitting 758 career home runs and a season high of 78. both are a bit higher than what Ruth actually did (714 career and season high of 60). their may be adjustments to make it more accurate but i will leave that to the ootp guru's as i generally play with default settings.

[Lolos]

Originally Posted by sentry85

one of the best ways to tell how realistic the game is, is to start simming from (pick a year) say 1920 to 1950. then pick players and compare their simmed stats to their real life stats which is an option on their player screen. then compare season by season stats and also their career stats. i have Babe Ruth hitting 758 career home runs and a season high of 78. both are a bit higher than what Ruth actually did (714 career and season high of 60). their may be adjustments to make it more accurate but i will leave that to the ootp guru's as i generally play with default settings.

So it can be more realistic?

[sentry85]

Originally Posted by Lolos

So it can be more realistic?

i think it has to do with how ratings are recalculated year after year. someone smarter than me will have to explain how. i have trouble enough
getting enough lefties on my pitching staff.

[Déjà Bru]

Lolos, I hesitate to offer this link to a thread from a few years ago:

Teaching the Business of Baseball With OOTP

The reason why I am hesitant is because the article is in reference to school children but the point is that they were using OOTPB as the framework for learning more than just math. They were learning about how one becomes a baseball statistician.

There is even more than that. As jpeters1734 said in that thread, "It [OOTPB] teaches the decision making process Decision-making process - UMass Dartmouth, how to set goals, negotiate with others, writing skills, and much more."

For example, you could work on your English by writing your own game recaps and news articles in OOTPB.

[rjl518]

How much does OOTP educate you?
Well...I can say this.
First of all, I have learned more about the history of baseball playing this game than reading any book or watching any video.
I have played historical seasons like 1986, 1919, 1927, 1994, 1969, 1955, 2003, and many other years.
Playing those years have let me get a glimpse of Ruth, Gehrig, Shoeless, Mathewson, Cobb, Williams, Mays, Gooden, Lajoie, Aaron, and many others too numerous to name.
Its almost like going back in time to see these baseball legends play the game the way they did during those eras.
Playing current seasons, real-time and simmed have taught me about the minor league systems and bringing players up and demoting them down.
It has also shown me about how finances work and how to make deals, trades and good draft pick choices.
Since I also contribute to the community with jerseys, caps and logos, it has taught me to use websites in order modify graphics, so that I can give back to the community.
I have learned more about baseball and designing playing OOTP since I played my first version of this game many years ago, which was OOTP4!
So, IMHO, this game is not only fun, relaxing and yes, frustrating sometimes, (AI CHEATS), but if you want some education about the history, finances and rules of baseball, nothing beats OOTP!!!
So we give lots of thanks to Markus Heinsohn, Matt Arnold, LukasBurger and many others for helping to bring the finest baseball game on the market.
And if you guys think OOTP19 looks super awesome, I can only imagine what Markus has up his sleeves for the future.
Every game he has done has ALWAYS surpassed the one before.
And he is not stopping anytime soon!

[BoomerSoonerAMH]

I feel like there is a fair amount you can learn from the game alone, although for me the biggest thing it has done is spark my interest in tracking down other resources to advance my understanding of the game. I actually read almost all of the CBA as I became more aware of various components of the game. That is just me, but I’m sure some will find the statistical analysis aspect of the game more interesting, while others love the history, and others the business management angle.

[Tunnelrunner]

This game is an INCREDIBLE educational tool. For someone who grew up on Football and Basketball, I've learned so much about Baseball just by playing OOTP alone. One real simple example: I didn't understand the concept/rule of "Tagging Up" until I saw the little pawns doing it during a 3-D game.

[DawnBTVS]

It's definitely made me learn the little business aspects and roster construction...

1: Rule 5 Draft: How players can be drafted then returned to their original teams. How key it can be to supplement a role or develop a gem e.g. Johan Santana being picked by Minnesota and being a split SP/RP before working on his changeup prior to the 2002 Season.

2: Arbitration: How important it was to have players use up their service years for low cost and then take advantage with a deal that maybe paid a player $3 Million then $5 Million instead of say $6 Million then $10 Million if they got paid as a free agent with another team. Think the 2000-2004 Oakland A's in this regard.

3: The importance of ballpark effects and how to build teams to take advantage of that. A place like Fenway Park is far more favorable to a power right handed hitter or Wade Boggs/Bill Mueller type who can splatter the wall whereas a place like Wrigley Field is pretty balanced but can be a pitcher's park depending on the wind factor.

[Hoiles]

i'm actually not kidding here, but OOTP has probably contributed to 100s of dollars of free beer winnings to my pub trivia team. There's pretty a much a baseball question or two every week, and they're gimmes for me after playing historical leagues for many versions. Though, if I had to name the actual teams the players played on in real-life rather than in OOTP, we might run into some trouble (for example, the Red Sox Jackie Robinson used to destroy my team every year).

[JaBurns]

I learn lots about players when I am playing random debut because if it a name that does not look familiar I go to his player page to see when and where he played during his career.

Also there are no Lefty’s, Red’s, etc in my league, when the draft is announced I check all the names then change all nicknames to given names after looking them up at baseball-reference.com. I still have trouble believing Spike Owen’s given name was Spike.

[NoOne]

It can definitely speed up learning about the game.

i'd stick to modern leagues and do an online experience once you know the basics.. the aI won't teach you much about how real gm's act... but humans will for sure.

make sure the online league doesn't have any esoteric, restrictive rules outside of what can be found in real life.

from a statistics standpoint, this is not a scientific modelling of real life. it's a video game that models real life. some elements are going to adhere to the laws fo probabilty and somethng things may not...

e.g. TCR is not a real life factor. it is a video game function. people do not randomly get better in real life.. you are born with talent and you either devleop it or you do not... when this seems to happen in real life, it's rather caused by a human error in scouting the kid i nthe first place.. we are not omniscient, but if you think people randomly get better without cause "you're" nuts. (plural, not directed at any one person)

dennis rodman grew ~10" out of nowhere in his late teens or something similar like that... he didn't randomly get better at basketball. he grew 10 inches at a really odd time. from baseball: jason hamilton didn't "lose" his talent during his drug-fueled early years.. he was smoking too much meth to be good at baseball. when he cleaned up he didn't randomly get better... he was capable the entire time but never met his potential.

i.e. you don't randomly smoke crack and ruin your life like strawberry and gooden.. you don't randomly choose not to work out etc etc. and you most certainly do not randomly change from an average talent player to a HoF quality player. if you do, you weren't making use of your talent before.. not gaining new talent that is beyond your genetics in the first place.

so, to learn the basics, sure.. but anything beyond that in a professional manner, not so much in an overly sophisticated way. this is just fun video game.

you'll get the gist of baseball, at the least.

you can have fun playing with the stats and setting up spreadsheets/databases to mine the data to your hearts content... this is probably what would most directly help your intent. this game will spit out #'s in a fairly similar way and you can play around with them and manipulate them and form some theories to apply to real life data in ways you cold not do in RL... e.g. you can sim 1000years and work on that data... you won't live long enough to do so in RL, obviously.

[RubeBaker]

Originally Posted by Lolos

Sorry for my English in advanced.

I am very interested in the basenall business aspect ad many others as well I am wondering how much does OOTP teach you how much can i make the use of this and learn?
This is a great sim either way but I am really focusing to be a baseball statistician, I'm learning programming (R) and not sure what else. Sorry if this sounds stupid but how realistic is ootp in general will it help me make solutions and my questions and stuff?
I played since ootp 15 but I never had taken it seriously so I am fairly a beginner to ootp learning curve.

Not stupid at all. I think it's great that you're focusing on being a baseball statistician. And OOTP teaches you how to budget, how to use analytics to value players, scouting for prospects and looking at a variety of methods, and you learn about the history of the game and many teams.

IMHO OOTP is the most realistic baseball game and simulation I have ever played and I've played a LOT of them. If you want fun, go play MLB: The Show. If you want realism AND fun, go play OOTP.

[IanIachimoe]

I've learned more about the Front Office & business side of baseball in 4-5 years of playing OOTP than I had playing, watching, reading about & studying the game for 30+.

& it's not even close.

[RubeBaker]

Originally Posted by rjl518

How much does OOTP educate you?
Well...I can say this.
First of all, I have learned more about the history of baseball playing this game than reading any book or watching any video.
I have played historical seasons like 1986, 1919, 1927, 1994, 1969, 1955, 2003, and many other years.
Playing those years have let me get a glimpse of Ruth, Gehrig, Shoeless, Mathewson, Cobb, Williams, Mays, Gooden, Lajoie, Aaron, and many others too numerous to name.
Its almost like going back in time to see these baseball legends play the game the way they did during those eras.
Playing current seasons, real-time and simmed have taught me about the minor league systems and bringing players up and demoting them down.
It has also shown me about how finances work and how to make deals, trades and good draft pick choices.
Since I also contribute to the community with jerseys, caps and logos, it has taught me to use websites in order modify graphics, so that I can give back to the community.
I have learned more about baseball and designing playing OOTP since I played my first version of this game many years ago, which was OOTP4!
So, IMHO, this game is not only fun, relaxing and yes, frustrating sometimes, (AI CHEATS), but if you want some education about the history, finances and rules of baseball, nothing beats OOTP!!!
So we give lots of thanks to Markus Heinsohn, Matt Arnold, LukasBurger and many others for helping to bring the finest baseball game on the market.
And if you guys think OOTP19 looks super awesome, I can only imagine what Markus has up his sleeves for the future.
Every game he has done has ALWAYS surpassed the one before.
And he is not stopping anytime soon!

Well said! I'm looking forward to your Mets OOTP season this year. Every year I enjoy reading your season replays. I think the Mets are going to be much better this year than a lot of people are predicting.

[rjl518]

Originally Posted by RubeBaker

Well said! I'm looking forward to your Mets OOTP season this year. Every year I enjoy reading your season replays. I think the Mets are going to be much better this year than a lot of people are predicting.

Trust me, you won't believe what I'm going to Do for my real time season this year.

[rastyk]

Originally Posted by rjl518

How much does OOTP educate you?
Well...I can say this.
First of all, I have learned more about the history of baseball playing this game than reading any book or watching any video.
I have played historical seasons like 1986, !

A few years back, I created a league with a bunch of teams that won the World Series in various years, and the 1986 Mets did rather well. In real life, it was "amazing" that such a group of personalities didn't self-destruct. Boy that was a fun team to watch, hot feet (matches stuck in shoes and lit on fire), "rally caps"(baseball caps turned upside down with a ball placed in the bill, etc. Here's a nice clip on those days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_-abunAhDY

to OP (Lolos) the old book, Baseball Hacks, describes some interesting ways to use R. I'm looking at maybe MySQL, it seems some have posted about this in the past.