player with top gap numbers not getting many Extra bases?

Aumakua · 04-15-2018, 01:05 PM

So I noticed one of my players who is rated at 220 Gap and shows expected stats at around 50 double and 10 triples is only putting up around 20/10 numbers while other players with lower gap ratings and lower expected stats are hitting 45-50 doubles. This has happened 3 straight years.

any idea why this is happening?

NoOne · 04-15-2018, 01:48 PM

that's still releative to his contact ratings..

you can have a 220 gap, but if you are sub-average contact you won't hit much of anything.

more to it than just gap rating. plus, normal volatility, settings, park facors etc etc 3b will probably be helped by speed or the unseen 3b/2b+3b ratio in editor if not "0" (whatever it is.. % of 3b hit)

also i notice hr and doubles can cannnibalize each other. a guy with high power and high gap will hit fewer hr than a high power ~average-to-good gap. maybe more total xbh, but fewer hr.

Aumakua · 04-15-2018, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

that's still releative to his contact ratings..

you can have a 220 gap, but if you are sub-average contact you won't hit much of anything.

more to it than just gap rating. plus, normal volatility, settings, park facors etc etc 3b will probably be helped by speed or the unseen 3b/2b+3b ratio in editor if not "0" (whatever it is.. % of 3b hit)

also i notice hr and doubles can cannnibalize each other. a guy with high power and high gap will hit fewer hr than a high power ~average-to-good gap. maybe more total xbh, but fewer hr.

he hit .360

NoOne · 04-15-2018, 08:38 PM

if that's the case, just give it time.. probably bad luck, if you see other guys hitting 50+.. he'll get there eventually.

oh, does he hit an inordinate amount of 3b? if so check editor with comissioner on.. try to only peak and the 3b ration/% thing... if not zero, that might be cannibalizing ~10 2b a year or more in some cases. (a triple is better, so not a bad thing)

Aumakua · 04-16-2018, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoOne

if that's the case, just give it time.. probably bad luck, if you see other guys hitting 50+.. he'll get there eventually.

oh, does he hit an inordinate amount of 3b? if so check editor with comissioner on.. try to only peak and the 3b ration/% thing... if not zero, that might be cannibalizing ~10 2b a year or more in some cases. (a triple is better, so not a bad thing)

thanks for the suggestions, I simmed 3 years and never changed, then I was comparing his gap to guys who were hitting 45 doubles and LOWERED it to match their numbers at around 175-180, and he went from 20-25 doubles to 35 that year. and there is another guy with a much lower gap rating who led the league in doubles and triples, same year, i don't get it, everything else is working pretty well except this one player just seems off.

strange!

NoOne · 04-16-2018, 10:31 AM

try it with some othe rplayers... change them to ~220 and see what happens -- and no other changes...

if it's inverseley proporitonal, repeatable etc you may have found a bug, lol.

make sure you are looking at all XBH and taking note of the "3b/(3b+2b)" value in the editor.. like i said before that will reduce 2b and add to 3b when extreme.. like .250+ is quite extreme and will cause 20 3b but reduce 2b's a bit compared to a "0" value there..

Tazilon · 04-18-2018, 05:34 PM

If his contact and speed are low, he won't be able to fulfill his gap potential.

bigd51 · 04-18-2018, 07:16 PM

To add on to what NoOne mentioned, his Batted Ball Profile could also factor in.

For instance, a Line Drive Hitter could be a better gap hitter than a Fly Ball Hitter.

NoOne · 04-18-2018, 10:18 PM

the guy hit 360, so...

this game doesn't really track how the ball flies... it's a probabilty of various results. there's no physics or handling gravity etc. wind may influence probabiltiy of course. from what i know. what you see in 3d view is just theatrics.

HRs cannibalize doubles and triples. doubles and triples cannibalize HR.

take any "line drive" hitter and increase their power and they will now be a flyball hitter. nothing really changed with their gap. nothing really changes with how they hit the ball (in ootp)

the line drive vs flyball is just about power and gap or namely lack of power.

04-15-2018, 01:05 PM	#1
Aumakua Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Flat lands Posts: 421	player with top gap numbers not getting many Extra bases? So I noticed one of my players who is rated at 220 Gap and shows expected stats at around 50 double and 10 triples is only putting up around 20/10 numbers while other players with lower gap ratings and lower expected stats are hitting 45-50 doubles. This has happened 3 straight years. any idea why this is happening?

04-15-2018, 01:48 PM	#2
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,228	that's still releative to his contact ratings.. you can have a 220 gap, but if you are sub-average contact you won't hit much of anything. more to it than just gap rating. plus, normal volatility, settings, park facors etc etc 3b will probably be helped by speed or the unseen 3b/2b+3b ratio in editor if not "0" (whatever it is.. % of 3b hit) also i notice hr and doubles can cannnibalize each other. a guy with high power and high gap will hit fewer hr than a high power ~average-to-good gap. maybe more total xbh, but fewer hr. Last edited by NoOne; 04-15-2018 at 01:49 PM.

04-15-2018, 08:38 PM	#4
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,228	if that's the case, just give it time.. probably bad luck, if you see other guys hitting 50+.. he'll get there eventually. oh, does he hit an inordinate amount of 3b? if so check editor with comissioner on.. try to only peak and the 3b ration/% thing... if not zero, that might be cannibalizing ~10 2b a year or more in some cases. (a triple is better, so not a bad thing) Last edited by NoOne; 04-15-2018 at 08:39 PM.

04-16-2018, 10:31 AM	#6
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,228	try it with some othe rplayers... change them to ~220 and see what happens -- and no other changes... if it's inverseley proporitonal, repeatable etc you may have found a bug, lol. make sure you are looking at all XBH and taking note of the "3b/(3b+2b)" value in the editor.. like i said before that will reduce 2b and add to 3b when extreme.. like .250+ is quite extreme and will cause 20 3b but reduce 2b's a bit compared to a "0" value there..

04-18-2018, 05:34 PM	#7
Tazilon Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Mesquite, TX Posts: 116	If his contact and speed are low, he won't be able to fulfill his gap potential.

04-18-2018, 07:16 PM	#8
bigd51 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 277	To add on to what NoOne mentioned, his Batted Ball Profile could also factor in. For instance, a Line Drive Hitter could be a better gap hitter than a Fly Ball Hitter.

04-18-2018, 10:18 PM	#9
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,228	the guy hit 360, so... this game doesn't really track how the ball flies... it's a probabilty of various results. there's no physics or handling gravity etc. wind may influence probabiltiy of course. from what i know. what you see in 3d view is just theatrics. HRs cannibalize doubles and triples. doubles and triples cannibalize HR. take any "line drive" hitter and increase their power and they will now be a flyball hitter. nothing really changed with their gap. nothing really changes with how they hit the ball (in ootp) the line drive vs flyball is just about power and gap or namely lack of power.