AI Cheats or Does it Predict?

[Qeltar]

Originally Posted by BirdWatcher

And I figure, well, they wouldn't really create a game that would cheat against them, would they?

As long as it continues to be uninfested with microtransactions, no.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by John McGraw

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Next, Nationals winning in the 9th 4-2. I have a relief pitcher in. He walks two. No outs. I try bringing in my closer, once, twice, three times, and each time he does not enter the game. I pitch using the reliever to keep the action going and I cross my fingers. He walks two runs home and hits a batter. I lose the game without giving up a hit.

AI Cheats?

you try to bring him in? there's no try... do or do not..

but seriously how does he not come in if you replace the RP?

that's a bug if oyu drag a name down to replace a pitcher and it doesn't work.

other point i snipped... law of independent results...

no matter if bryce harper has gone 0-100, somehow, as long as his ratings are the same it is the samem % chance of various things occuring each time he steps up to plate relative to all other factors not of his ratings remaining the same(competition, weather, and whever else ootp factors intot he equation)

those other things obviously do not remain the same and neither does bryce harper's ratings for a multitude of causes over time, but merely result in an ebb and flow of said probabilty of various outcomes realtive to context... still a proverbial flip of a coin each time with new weights... still law of independent results, but more complicated and foggier due to constant chagne of various factors. if we were smarter and had better tech and knowledge we could know this stuff precisely... everythign works on cause an effect in our universe. there is no magic.

law of independent results
law of independent results
law of independent results

did i say law of independent results ?

[pitch62]

Maybe Markus or one of the developers should answer that.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by pitch62

Maybe Markus or one of the developers should answer that.

Asked and answered many many times. Just search.

[BirdWatcher]

Originally Posted by Qeltar

As long as it continues to be uninfested with microtransactions, no.

This is how much of a non-computer gamer I am. I really didn't understand this statement until I did a little google search. But yes, that would change the equation.

[Qeltar]

Originally Posted by BirdWatcher

This is how much of a non-computer gamer I am. I really didn't understand this statement until I did a little google search. But yes, that would change the equation.

I'm a microtransactions refugee.

I happily paid full retail for this game to support its independent developers, and part of the reason is hoping that such support will allow them to keep making a quality product without the game-destroying rot that microtransactions cause.

My main issue with it isn't even what most people complain about -- the fact that some people have an advantage over others. It's the way the transactions distort the entire game development process by inevitably warping the developers' priorities as extracting money becomes more and more of a focus. My comment referenced one of the many ways this happens. Because as soon as there are microtransactions, people actually DO have a reason to wonder if the deck is stacked -- because it often is.

Once a dev team heads in this direction it just gets worse over time.. I joke that it's like entering the event horizon of a black hole, just a matter of time before you are fully sucked in. Hopefully OOTP stays a safe distance away.

Okay, off my soapbox.

[CMH]

Originally Posted by BirdWatcher

I have had so many of those moments when I become (almost) completely convinced that the game is rigged, that the outcome has been preordained and I have no chance no matter what I or my team does (I particularly get this feeling in the post-season.) And then I just have to calmly talk myself down off the ledge of paranoia.

One way I comfort myself is by seeing how many of the developers, by the evidence of this forum, play the game all the time themselves. And I figure, well, they wouldn't really create a game that would cheat against them, would they?

They obviously play with the ultimate commissioner cheat code. You enter it in the password field and it unlocks human fairness play.

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[Craig Scarborough]

You realize, of course, that there is no "magical AI" for this kind of stuff. You'd have to literally program it. Considering the amount of work they do, they don't have time code crap like this, nor do I see what the payback would be from the developer's point of view.

There is no:

if (userManagedTeam.score > opponent.score) and (event == worldSeries.gameSeven) then userManagedCloser = shelledMode
# haha! Look what I sneaked in!

or,

if (userManagedPlayer == hot) then injury += 50

It is what it is. To have the AI cheat would be a pain in the butt for Markus and the team to program.

[kjb023]

For what it's worth, I've had games where I've "tried" to bring in a reliever from the bullpen and it didn't work; I was just mis-clicking when I dragged the reliever from the pen to the "pitcher" spot on the screen so instead of putting him in the game I sat him down. Easy to miss sometimes.

[RchW]

I don't know how many thousands of game I've played out but never have I not been able to put a pitcher or batter who was eligible into the game. Now have I done it right every time?

No.

[Qeltar]

Originally Posted by Craig Scarborough

You realize, of course, that there is no "magical AI" for this kind of stuff. You'd have to literally program it.

I can't tell you how many times I have tried to make this point in other gaming forums. Usually to be met with some variation of "what do you know about programming?" (Answer: quite a bit.)

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by BirdWatcher

This is how much of a non-computer gamer I am. I really didn't understand this statement until I did a little google search. But yes, that would change the equation.

i think he's refering to "freemium" type games or even bought games like tiger woods golf.

you pay or get a game for free, then tehy nickel and dime you for essential addons or things that will put you at a competitive disadvantage if you don't buy it an dplay against people etc etc...

tiger woods games used to include more courses, then they realized they coudl seel them for $3 each or a 5 pack for 10 etc.... then few dollars for this club or that brand blah blah blah....

freemium stuff is more from phones and notepads.. think angry birds but if they charged for special things in the game instead of just being free (maybe it does ... angry birds still a thing? lol)

i don't own a smartphone nor a tablet, lol. i'm an alien!

[Reggie]

We were just kidding in here... right?

[NoOne]

some people are convinced the game will "do" things outside proverbially flipping a coin with an RNG.

maybe not in this thread, but you can find the threads in the forum each release.

someitimes it's just one aspect liek stealing or OF assists when the game gives you the option to run etc...

[italyprof]

Here are some examples that happened to me:

1 my team blew out the Pirates in 3 games but they eeked out 3 wins and in game 7 came from behond and won on a home run by....wait for it....Mazeroski !

2. We were 1 strike from winning the Series and the Mets get 3 straight hits and I bring in a fresh reliever. But he throws a wild pitch and then a slow roller goes through my 1B's legs and they win.

3 we are 1 out away 2 years later and Kirk Gibson who is injured beats us with with a walkoff homer.

4 we have a chance to win game 7 but a drunk Grover Cleveland Alexander strikes out Tony Lazzeri with the bases loaded.

5 we win 108 games and then lose to the 1969 Mets - who were next to last the previous season. And Al Weis hits a homer in the deciding game. I mean c'mon.

6 we are about to win our division and Bucky f...ing Dent beats us with a home run.

7 Mariano Rivera blows a save in game 7 and even throws a ball aeay on a bunt attempt.

Clearly the only explanation for these events is cheating by AI.

[NoOne]

that sort of thing never happens in real life

changed my mind. definitely a bug and hard-coded logic

gibson hit a hr off 1 leg? nah...

[Qeltar]

Growing up a Blue Jays fan 25+ years ago, one of my favorite "if they put this in a baseball movie everyone would laugh at the writer" events was when Dave Stieb had a no-hitter broken up with 2 outs and 2 strikes in the 9th...

... on two consecutive starts...